Oh, please. And gun violence isn't prevalent in any other country?

I agree it is questionable in today's society, but certainly not when the constitution was written. It was a different lifestyle then.

Besides that, taking away legal ownership of firearms would greatly increase the amount of illegal firearms bought through--you guessed it--illegal methods. Thus supporting, terrorists, black arms dealers, you name it. If a person wants something, he will find a way to get it. Just look at the disaster that was the prohibition era. One could argue that the high car accident rate is due to the legit sale of alcohol, but you'd be dancing around the same federal problems if you took it away.

[QUOTE=Lord Abortion]Exactly, and the easy access to Weaponry just perpetuates that.[/QUOTE]

No, television perpetuates it, look at what's freaking popular... freaking being from "da streetz" it's just proclaiming that education is bad and gang related violence is cool.

Ollie is just jealous that he doesn't have easy access to guns.


Good night MX.

[QUOTE=FuryInArt]I hate directors who call themselves "Indie Film Artists" and "Progressive Directors" and pull stuff like that. I enjoy having fresh and original camera angles, pans and shots, but sometimes it is best to stick with what has been proven by time to work.

Also, @ your chief director in your project who has an aversion to close-ups...damn. That must be hard to work with.[/QUOTE]

It's something our professor keeps bringing up. Without close-ups, it's harder to connect with the main characters. And he just dismisses it saying, "I'm not feeling the close-ups."

[QUOTE=GenuineImitation]Ollie is just jealous that he doesn't have easy access to guns.


Good night MX.[/QUOTE]
Night Vic.

[QUOTE=I Am Vikingcore]No, television perpetuates it, look at what's freaking popular... freaking being from "da streetz" it's just proclaiming that education is bad and gang related violence is cool.[/QUOTE]
I don't think television has anything to do with it. I mean, if anything it gives an outlet for certain agressions or fantasies people have, besides actually doing it oneself. The people who watch this kind of crap and think it's "cool" usually just imitate their favorite gang member and don't actually participate.

The real violence problem comes from lack of parenting and people who shouldn't be having babies having them.

[QUOTE=I Am Vikingcore]No, television perpetuates it, look at what's freaking popular... freaking being from "da streetz" it's just proclaiming that education is bad and gang related violence is cool.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]
Oh, please. And gun violence isn't prevalent in any other country?[/QUOTE]
Fair point.
[QUOTE]I agree it is questionable in today's society, but certainly not when the constitution was written. It was a different lifestyle then.[/QUOTE]
Of course, but the very foundations of your country being unchangable under any circumstances is a little off, in my opinion
[QUOTE]Besides that, taking away legal ownership of firearms would greatly increase the amount of illegal firearms bought through--you guessed it--illegal methods. Thus supporting, terrorists, black arms dealers, you name it. If a person wants something, he will find a way to get it. Just look at the disaster that was the prohibition era. One could argue that the high car accident rate is due to the legit sale of alcohol, but you'd be dancing around the same federal problems if you took it away.[/QUOTE]
Oh yes, it's similar to the legalising Drugs idea that was debated in here a few weeks ago, the illegal drug trade supports an incredible amount of crime, as does the weapons trade in other countries, but the Incidents at Columbine and others can't be ignored, just like drugs-related crime would undoubtably increase if they were legalised.

[QUOTE]The real violence problem comes from lack of parenting and people who shouldn't be having babies having them.[/QUOTE]
That's a good point too, people blame TV and violent music and games for problems among children, which is ludicrous, because it is ultimately the parents decision what children are subjected too.

[QUOTE=Lord Abortion]Of course, but the very foundations of your country being unchangable under any circumstances is a little off, in my opinion[/QUOTE]

They're not unchangeable under any circumstances, it's just that the culture here is not used to handling such things responsibly any longer, and that has to do with an education problem in poverty-stricken areas, at least with regard to gang violence. Gunpower is an easily purchasable form of power that's attractive to those who have little else to go on, resource-wise. This may seem like an argument for banning guns, but plenty of people do put them to productive use, and in the poverty zones a black market for this sort of thing is ever-prevelant. These are arguments for fighting poverty, not guns.

It doesn't help that folks like 50 Cent make the whole idea of getting shot on the streets an attractive subject, or at least one that's condoned by virtue of the culture's unquenchable appetite for similar tales of "thughood."

[QUOTE]Oh yes, it's similar to the legalising Drugs idea that was debated in here a few weeks ago, the illegal drug trade supports an incredible amount of crime, as does the weapons trade in other countries, but the Incidents at Columbine and others can't be ignored, just like drugs-related crime would undoubtably increase if they were legalised.[/QUOTE]

Those are parental issues. America suffers from a remarkably high level of stressed parents who don't know how to raise kids. I think in every way this wasn't a case of the Columbine guys being totally nuts or anything, it was that the parents neglected to pay attention to what they were doing.


[QUOTE]That's a good point too, people blame TV and violent music and games for problems among children, which is ludicrous, because it is ultimately the parents decision what children are subjected too.[/QUOTE]

I'll go further: parents can allow their kids to be subjected to anything without having them become killers, and it's due to proper parenting and value systems and attention in the first place. You shouldn't be parents if you can't teach your kids a value for life.

[QUOTE=Cain]I'll go further: parents can allow their kids to be subjected to anything without having them become killers, and it's due to proper parenting and value systems and attention in the first place. You shouldn't be parents if you can't teach your kids a value for life.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. That's what I was trying to get at in my post.

[QUOTE]They're not unchangeable under any circumstances, it's just that the culture here is not used to handling such things responsibly any longer[/QUOTE]
Oh right, I thought the constitution was set in stone.
My bad.

[QUOTE] and in the poverty zones a black market for this sort of thing is ever-prevelant. These are arguments for fighting poverty, not guns.

It doesn't help that folks like 50 Cent make the whole idea of getting shot on the streets an attractive subject, or at least one that's condoned by virtue of the culture's unquenchable appetite for similar tales of "thughood."[/QUOTE]
I agree, the problems in poverty zones are the same all over the world.
and such...well, poor role models aren't good.

[QUOTE]I'll go further: parents can allow their kids to be subjected to anything without having them become killers, and it's due to proper parenting and value systems and attention in the first place. You shouldn't be parents if you can't teach your kids a value for life.[/QUOTE]
I thoroughly agree. And to what you say about Columbine too. But that links into that part about good parenting.

If anything I say sounds like crap. It's nearly 2am.
Bedtime, guys.

[QUOTE=Lord Abortion]Oh right, I thought the constitution was set in stone.
My bad.[/QUOTE]
It's been not set in stone since the beginning, by the addition of the ammendment process. But there's a medium you have to find between changing with the necessity of the time's culture and just completely changing everything on a whim because it seems necessary at the time. Besides, judicial decisions are made with quite a lot of room for interpretation, which compensates for cultural time boundaries.

[QUOTE=Steerpike]It's something our professor keeps bringing up. Without close-ups, it's harder to connect with the main characters. And he just dismisses it saying, "I'm not feeling the close-ups."[/QUOTE]

Sounds like an Indie-obsessionist hippie to me! :)

(Believe me when I say that...my best friend is one)

[QUOTE=Cain]It doesn't help that folks like 50 Cent make the whole idea of getting shot on the streets an attractive subject, or at least one that's condoned by virtue of the culture's unquenchable appetite for similar tales of "thughood."
[/QUOTE]

This is also the tendency of society to romanticize the "Bad boys." We've done it to pirates, highwaymen, cowboys, etc.

Fiddy is just another chapter in the story, and will be promptly forgotten because there's absolutely nothing about him worth remembering.

[QUOTE=FuryInArt]Sounds like an Indie-obsessionist hippie to me! :)

(Believe me when I say that...my best friend is one)[/QUOTE]

No, he's just muleheaded and opinionated. He's my friend and all, but I really think he needs to ease up a bit with people. He calls me naive for believing that animals have any place in the world other than his dinner plate.

[QUOTE=Steerpike] We've done it to pirates[/QUOTE]

Pirates > Thugs

EDIT: @ Steerpike

Then drop the hippie part, I suppose. Just tell him to ease up on his opinions. My best friend used to not listen to any band with a record label. :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=FuryInArt]Then drop the hippie part, I suppose. Just tell him to ease up on his opinions. My best friend used to not listen to any band with a record label. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

I've tried. But he's a libertarian. Talking to them is like talking to a brick wall.

[QUOTE=Steerpike]I've tried. But he's a libertarian. Talking to them is like talking to a brick wall.[/QUOTE]

Aye, that's a b!tch.

At least my friend is only a Democrat. If you try hard enough, you can get them to listen :p

You're talking to a dirty liberal, just so you know. :p

[QUOTE=Steerpike]You're talking to a dirty liberal, just so you know. :p[/QUOTE]

'Twas a joke, my friend. I R Moderate :) Yay for not creating political tension and conflict. I find it all a bit fickle, anyway.

[QUOTE=Steerpike]You're talking to a dirty liberal, just so you know. :p[/QUOTE]

What was up with posting in that simple plan thread? You should know better.

I needed a good laugh. When I saw people actually buying into the crap, though, I knew it was time to insist the thread be left for dead before the mods show up.

[QUOTE=Steerpike]I needed a good laugh. When I saw people actually buying into the crap, though, I knew it was time to insist the thread be left for dead before the mods show up.[/QUOTE]

It is rather ridiculous some of the comments people make in seriousness. No one gets it's a gimmick and then there's the obligatory give dim3bag props d00d u suk major remarks

That guy is an idiot. Not only is his name ridiculous (and has poor grammar), but his posts are all that stupid.


edit: omgroflwtfbbqw00thehe, 600th post.

/off topic

Alright, for the first time since I joined this site, I actually made a thread that seems to be surviving on its own!

[QUOTE=ShadowsFallen]/off topic

Alright, for the first time since I joined this site, I actually made a thread that seems to be surviving on its own![/QUOTE]

Cryptopsy will do that :D

Am I the only one who's noticed the disproportianate number of ill-conceived threads lately?

WP: American Werewolves - Destroy All Monsters

NP: Bandits of the Acoustic Revolution - Dear Sergio

[QUOTE=Steerpike]Am I the only one who's noticed the disproportianate number of ill-conceived threads lately?
[/QUOTE]

Aye, the Pit is trying to take over R&M...:(

But that's okay because we can have a huge Viking-metal fueled battle against the flamers! Crank the Amon Amarth! CHARGE!!!

[QUOTE=FuryInArt]Aye, the Pit is trying to take over R&M...:(

[/QUOTE]
Heh, I noticed it's a lot easier for me to post in here recently.

im gonna trade in my JEM for a mesa triple rectifier today


what u guys think?

I'm supposed to do writing an essay, along with revising for an exam, both for Friday. I've spent roughly the last two hours 'writing my essay', in which time I've actually listened to My Sharona several times over, brushed my teeth for an extended period, and read about my University and the Russell Group and the fact that I am apparently a member of the Aldwych Group. The essay isn't going well.

Anuything by Mesa is worth it.

Hey all.

i have a Mark IV, but it needs work, and i want to sell it

[QUOTE=Bartender]I'm supposed to do writing an essay, along with revising for an exam, both for Friday. I've spent roughly the last two hours 'writing my essay', in which time I've actually listened to My Sharona several times over, brushed my teeth for an extended period, and read about my University and the Russell Group and the fact that I am apparently a member of the Aldwych Group. The essay isn't going well.[/QUOTE]
:lol:

I'm supposed to give Science coursework in tomorrow but I just can't get myself motivated.

Sell it and get the other one.

[QUOTE=Doctor Night V.2.0]Sell it and get the other one.[/QUOTE]


well, they said something about 500 for trade, and i pretty much said FUK THAT.


Ill sell the Mark IV after i get it fixed up

[QUOTE=Steerpike]Am I the only one who's noticed the disproportianate number of ill-conceived threads lately?

WP: American Werewolves - Destroy All Monsters

NP: Bandits of the Acoustic Revolution - Dear Sergio[/QUOTE]

I've noticed it. It's really disappointing. These threads about claiming how awesome awful bands are is [B]not[/B] funny, but they don't seem to let up.

Oh, and what's WP?

[QUOTE=CocaineAndCrucifixes]

Oh, and what's WP?[/QUOTE]
Was Playing.

[QUOTE=Happy]Was Playing.[/QUOTE]

Gotcha.

NP; Quo Vadis - Silence Calls The Storm

These guys really are too good.

[QUOTE=kurrptsenate]well, they said something about 500 for trade, and i pretty much said FUK THAT.


Ill sell the Mark IV after i get it fixed up[/QUOTE]
Seems Good.

...so they told me to bring it in. Apparenlty the manager was very interested, so maybe i could get some free sh!t thrown in on the trade


me = happy camper :D

Has anyone else around here ever listened to Nekromantix? I wish I'd found this band sooner.