I own a 6". I'd say its the heavy one and i dont have audio of it.

hey, i need a ride and hi-hats.
i already have a paiste 302 16" crash and a sabian AA rock crash 16". i have some hi-hats and a ride but they came with my beginner kit and so arent even worth mentioning, im looking to replace them. my budget isnt very high, im not totally sure of what it is at the moment. i just want something that sounds good and will do for a few years. any suggestions (including rough price if known, i live in UK btw)?

thanks

Stagg are good for cheap cymbals that sound good.

Aside from that, you're heading upwards in price. The first things even worth mentioning are Sabian B8's which I've heard are great for the price.

B8's are £145 for a set which includes hats ride and crash. You can replace your 302.
[url]http://www.rockfactory.co.uk/products.php?cat=74[/url]

Looks as if a set of Stagg SH are the same price, at least from here:
[url]http://www.drumshop.co.uk/product.php?id=873[/url]

If you really only want a ride and crash, you'll probably have to look for second hand B8's or look for some Staggs. Really, it depends on what you like the sound of. Stagg have other ranges you may like the sound of better.
[url]http://www.drumshop.co.uk/category.php?id=34[/url]

Since I mentioned second hand cymbals, you may as well look at them. eBay and second hand sections of shops are great for picking up pro quality cymbals at intermediate cymbal prices.

[url]http://www.drumshack.co.uk/prodtype.asp?PT_ID=249[/url]

Istanbul and Bosphorus cymbals may be a little out of your (unspecified) price range, but they're cheaper than other pro level cymbals.

And since we're on to mentioning pro level cymbals, my best advice would be to save up and get one piece of pro equipment, then wash, rinse and repeat. You can still go second hand, but it's worth it.

about the guy asking for cymbals. the a customs are good cymbals. you do need to try them out and make sure you like them but you can get an a custom pack for about $700 that comes with 14'' hats, 16'' medium crash, and an 18'' fast crash i believe plus the 20'' ride. it might still be a 14'' fast crash instead of the 18''. great cymbals. the set i got and i love them so much

ok, thanks for the help, found this

[url]http://www.guitarampkeyboard.com/options.php?id=2248[/url]

eventhough i already have the crash from that set im liking it very much considering the price and i already have a cymbal from it so i know the sorta sound that im goin to get.

what do you guys think? worth it as i already have the crash? would it be a decent second crash for a while?

would you recommend buying from US and getting them to send it to england?

Rock cymbals are very restrictive IMO.

how are they restrictive?

btw i play for a groove metal/southern rock like band.
i know vinnie paul has used these cymbals in the past and i liked what i heard although the sound from that will have been edited.

like, you can only use them in rock situations.

well like i said i play in a groove metal/southern rock band so i dont think that many non-rock situations will come up apart from when im learning which wont matter at all to me.

any other opinions?

I would get used off ebay imo. unless you're going to go pro level. Then get thee to the shop

ive already looked on ebay, there isnt that much on there, and as for the used, for some reason i cant stand buying second hand things, especially for my kit, otherwise i probably would

Well, you could probably wait a little longer (especially just after xmas - unwanted gifts) and get pro cymbals, hardly used for as little as a begginer/intermediate set. But then if you want to be like that then its up to you. It's your money.

im not sure, i mean i love my sabian AA rock 16" crash, but im not sure if theres anything else that people would say are like these but better or just better then them in general. but for £315 those 3 cymbals are pretty damn cheap

18" A Zildjian Medium Thin Crash

I find rock cymbals also to be restrictive in the sense that you cant really hit them too fast as they need a hell of a swing to get a full sound.

AAXplosions are probably more up your alley.

why would you recommend AAXplosions over AA rocks? and i cant seem to find anything other then crashes, is that all that there is? and if not is there a set containing some hats, a crash and a ride?


whats the difference between the AA rocks and the AAX series'?

looking for a main crash to add to my 14'' a custom fast crash and 16'' a custom. the 14'' doesnt do well unmiced. looking for a nice crash to complement the 16''. thinking 17''-19'' sabian or zildjian. any kind of rock and some softer stuff

[quote=sichate;15582717]why would you recommend AAXplosions over AA rocks? and i cant seem to find anything other then crashes, is that all that there is? and if not is there a set containing some hats, a crash and a ride?


whats the difference between the AA rocks and the AAX series'?[/quote]


This all just taste here but i would never use a crash over medium-thin weight. Im fairly sure rocks are medium heavy or heavy.

AAXplosions are just crashes, but to match them you can go for AAX Stage hats and theres nothing wrong with an AA Rock Ride.

I like heavy rides personally.

AAX are also a lot brighter than AA's.

well ive just been out and reserved (for collection tomorrow) AAXplosion 16" and 18" crashes, have to say out of all the other cymbals there, of which there was a lot, they were definately the best there IMO and they both go really well with my AA rock crash.

on a down side i have to wait til christmas for them.

thanks drum phil for the suggestion

Its cool. Ive got the 19" myself.

I prefer darker crashes myself but damn, i cant take it off my kit.

yeah there was a 19" there, tried it with the 16" (coz i loved the 16" so damn much and just had to get that) but didnt like it as much as the 18" with the 16". there was a 17" there too, but that really wasnt goin nicely with the 16" and my AA rock. was really suprised how much of a difference an inch made with these cymbals.
now just need to decide what hats to get and need to replace the 302 16" crash that im goin to be using as a ride haha.
any suggestions about those that go well with Xplosions?

any recommendations for a ride with a loud bell thats good for recording?
i've a Wuhan 20" S now and it's way too washy. would like to spend around 200 if possible.
thanks in advance

Sabian Hand-Hammered Raw Bell Dry Ride. 21" I believe.

[QUOTE=Aaron;15589646]Sabian Hand-Hammered Raw Bell Dry Ride. 21" I believe.[/QUOTE]
thanks for the suggestion sir. HH is a bit out of my range but the AA one looks nice.
any other suggestions anyone?

I'd suggest looking for a second-hand K or HH/HHX that's 22" on ebay if HH is too costly.

[QUOTE=Aaron;15589945]I'd suggest looking for a second-hand K or HH/HHX that's 22" on ebay if HH is too costly.[/QUOTE]
still too costly :( my limit is around $200 and they're all around $300

im looking for the HHX evolution cymbals, but more for a rock setting, and in bigger sizes. 18"19"20".


any ideas?

[QUOTE=stylers_new_account;15591238]im looking for the HHX evolution cymbals, but more for a rock setting, and in bigger sizes. 18"19"20".


any ideas?[/QUOTE]

Only comes in 16" and 18", to the best of my recollection, though I could be mistaken.

If money is no object, ask Sabian. They'll whip up anything you ask them to.

However, money tends to be an object.

I have to admit, I'm not sure what the question is. You know what you want.

If you're describing the sound you like, but want a rockier version in larger sizes, then get just get the 18" Evo, and try out some of the larger HHX's. I'd suggest the HHXplosions and HHXtremes. Also worth a look is the Evo O-Zone, if you want a trashy crash, not least because it comes in 20".

You may also want to check out Dream Bliss 20" Crash/Ride, or some of the other Dream ranges. Cheap, but not cheap sounding. I reckon one of the 20" crash/ride's would suit the kind of thing you're looking for.

so i have decided on the Bosphorus versa hi-hats. ill get them either when i get a pay check, or when x-mas comes around.

the only other thing on my set i would like to update is my crash. Right now im using an 18" AAX stage and a 16" ZBT. what are so cymbals i should look at that would compliment the AAX, and work well with softer music?

Hi Hats.

I want quite a fine sound when they're loose. Like, just resting on each other loosely. Nothing too thick that'll make it sound like a pair of trash cans resting together.

When fully depressed, they need to be quite audible, and project. That might be hard to accomplish with the above criteria of them being not to thick.

And a nice clean opening sound.

The problem I've found is that, because I play with my Hi Hats very loosely open, when I play other hats, they sound awful. Like, dustbin lids or something.

Anyone got any suggestions. I'm open to any brand.