i see what you mean there,every Metallica album sounds different(par Load/Re-load)

[QUOTE=bamboomonkey]
Woah, a massive post. Sorry. Just hope it wasn't too boring.[/QUOTE]

good post though :thumb:

I'm sorry, bamboomonkey, but I had that feeling throughout your post that you are trying to prove to me what I have been claming... You read my post? I said nearly the same thing, just using other words. It was that Metallica were wasting their potential on doing money instead of music, and it was about how great they were [u]before[/u] Bob Rock has ever entered their musical life... I think that the main cause of that waste of potential is the fact that something(I wouldn't mention Bob Rock's name) has pushed them to change the style to something that didn't fit them. When I say I want the old metallica back, I'm not speaking about surprises, I'm speaking about more physical and material ways, like songs that are melodic, and not rythmic, songs that have meaning, songs that can be shamelessly called a musical , and lyrical, composition, and not songs that are made on the fly while being blown by the fan that broke into your recording studio, and in the same time under your producer's yellings of "Faster, more brutal, comon!". I don't really give a **** about what style they would play, let it be the same hardcore rock they have done in the latest St.Anger, just let it be some resemblance of what once could be called a genious and phenomenal band. Plus, I never said that Load/ReLoad and St.Anger didn't contain good songs. They maybe do, and Loads most certainly are, BUT, the part of bad songs takes the majority,like it never has in the past, look:
[u]Kill 'Em All[/u] - Definately not my prefferance, but still, I should say 10 out of 10 good songs, really.
[u]Ride the Lightning[/u] - DEFINATELY 8/8 perfect, genious, quality tracks.
[u]Master of Puppets[/u] - Again, 8/8 very good songs, with very good both musical and lyrical compositions.
[u]...And Justice For All[/u] - For me, the 9/9 best songs here. Great lyrics along with a hardcore thrash metal sound, with great drum tracks(Although I should say I always respected Lars as a drummer. Very unique for he does not push on himself too hard as many drummers do, but let the drums fit with the music.) along with very good guitar tracks/solos, the best solo Kirk hammet has ever written(One), very powerfull instrumental track, etc...
[u]Black Album[/u] - 12/12 very powerfull and in the same time not too powerfull songs, all very well composed. This album, IMO is the one in which they played the best as an ensamble, although the overall level of playing wasn't as high as in the previous ones.

Now comes the fall:
[u]Load[/u] - 10/14 songs are good, IMO, which is not bad, but compared to the previous 100% success is surely a degeneration of some sort...
[u]ReLoad[/u] - 9/13 songs. Again, not that bad of an overall album, but, well, it's still not close to the previous ones...
[u]Garage Inc.[/u](I dunno if you count that, but doing covers is some sort of musical compositions) - 7/27 tracks are good. That sucks mother****ing god**** ****ty ***!!!
[u]St.Anger[/u] - I would say 0/11, but maybe "The Unnamed Feeling" is worth something..? Or "Sweet Amber"? Still, songs with no meaning, no music, and just Lars, beating the hell out of my brains with those snares!

See the big fall? I think they would never recover it... They should learn when to retreat... In the long run, they will all find themselves with a new musical career, I think - Lars can go to poetry, Kirk can write musical compositions, and perform as a solo guitarist, James can play guitar pretty god**** well, too, and can write great lyrics, so, another band, if available, and Rob, well, as he almost dropped the buisness completely, that wouldn't be a big loss for him... BTW, I heared Kirk actually thought about leaving, and IMO, if he did, that would be grate for all of Metallica... Sorry...

I did read your post, but I suppose I maybe did rehash some of your ideas, but I was trying to put some of my own ideas into it.

At any rate though, Metallica won't really our opinions on board, no matter how relevant or great they sound to us, because it's not for us to say what they do, because we aren't in the band. If it's already been said or is just so obvious it might make everyone fall off their chair then I am sorry.

But hey, I saw the trailer for Some Kind Of Monster (us Brits aren't good enough to get movies around the same time as America, I guess) and they did jam around one riff that wasn't mind bendingly awful, and I actually thoght it was probably better than Frantic. I did clasp my head in my hands and shout "WHAAT?!" when James said he didn't feel anything for it when it had more groove and power to it than Dirty Window and all the rest of it...

I thought about it too: This topic is overpopular, and we're not the first and the last to discuss it, so as I can't see anything else to discuss about it, I think we should just drop it...

I get the feeling from the song "creeping death" metallica are a bit on the anti-jew side. Can anyone confirm this or explain?

[QUOTE=rocked not rolled]I get the feeling from the song "creeping death" metallica are a bit on the anti-jew side. Can anyone confirm this or explain?[/QUOTE]

Why? To me it just seems like its from the first person perspective of the angel of death that god sent to kill every first born son in egypt. Excellent song by the way.

Edit: Also I found this from a song meaning site: The inspiration for this song was the movie The Ten Commandments, starring Charlton Heston as Moses. In the movie, the Angel of Death is represented by a green cloud. When bass player Cliff Burton saw it, he thought it looked like "Creeping Death."

Black Ibanez is right... the song is just telling the story through the eyes of the Angel of Death as portrayed in the movie and in the Bible. Saying that Metallica is anti-semitist is like saying that Slayer is too because of their lyrics in "Angel of Death." Some people look at that song and see a pro-concentration camp thrash piece, when its really about how brutal that stuff was.

i bit off topic but only 1 out of 6000 people looked at this and didnt post something

Who cares. Creeping Death is my absolute favorite song

[QUOTE]It was that Metallica were wasting their potential on doing money instead of music[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]St.Anger - I would say 0/11, [U]songs with no meaning[/U][/QUOTE]

Ok first off i hate when people talk about the whole "money/sellout/cashtallica" subject. Out of all the times ive heard people say that they've given me a good enough reason as to why. Lots of people blame it on bob rock, but think about this...Bob works [I]for[/I] Metallica, not the other way around. If the band didnt like the music they were playing, they wouldnt play it and would find a different producer that would let them play what they wanted. Metallica has always been about doing what they want and how they want. Simple as that.

Also to say St. Anger is made up of songs with no meaning is not a solid statement at all. If you have actually listened to the lyrics then you wouldnt have said that...I dont have the time right (ok i do but im lazy) to transcribe all their songs off of SA, but seriously take a moment or two to listen to the lyrics and im sure you can figure out the rest.

[QUOTE]Black Ibanez is right... the song is just telling the story through the eyes of the Angel of Death as portrayed in the movie and in the Bible. Saying that Metallica is anti-semitist is like saying that Slayer is too because of their lyrics in "Angel of Death." Some people look at that song and see a pro-concentration camp thrash piece, when its really about how brutal that stuff was.[/QUOTE]

Also Tom Araya's family is Jewish and he goes to church/synagog often...just a lil useless piece of info

[QUOTE=emo_must_die]Also Tom Araya's family is Jewish and he goes to church/synagog often...just a lil useless piece of info[/QUOTE]

holy **** I didn't know that...seriously I didn't

That's not useless...I just learned something.

Also, Kerry King doesn't believe in God, so therefore he can't believe in Satan.

He said it himself in the Sept. Issue of Guitar World.

yeah Ive heard that Araya is a very religious person, or is that hanneman(sp?)?

Do you think Metallica are gonna make a greatest hits?

[QUOTE=Satan's Son]Do you think Metallica are gonna make a greatest hits?[/QUOTE]

without a doubt

and whoever said it araya is the religious one not hanneman

ahhh ok thanks

Slayer facts (not Metallica but being discussed)

Tom Araya is actually Catholic, as he was born and raised in Chile, which is a strongly catholic country.

Guess it was just a slayer fact then.

Oh, and Jeff Hanneman got the idea for Angel Of Death because he read a book on Dr Mengele whilst on tour (for Hell Awaits, I think).

so many people love metallica. and how many people love pantera?
and i think they are definately the better band.

[QUOTE=firecrackercheese]so many people love metallica. and how many people love pantera?
and i think they are definately the better band.[/QUOTE]

I dont like Pantera, I've given Cowboys from Hell, Vulgar Display of Power, and Far Beyond Driven plenty of chances, and they just dont appeal to me.

good-o.

I wouldn't buy it, I have most of their albums. :-/

[QUOTE=Black Ibanez]Why? To me it just seems like its from the first person perspective of the angel of death that god sent to kill every first born son in egypt. Excellent song by the way.

Edit: Also I found this from a song meaning site: The inspiration for this song was the movie The Ten Commandments, starring Charlton Heston as Moses. In the movie, the Angel of Death is represented by a green cloud. When bass player Cliff Burton saw it, he thought it looked like "Creeping Death."[/QUOTE]

Oh alright then. And yes it's a good song :thumb:

S&M is sort of a greatest hits but it's live and wasn't for greatest hits purposes. I don't like greatest hits albums. Something I've noticed about greatest hits albums is that bands only do them when their carrier slows down and they need something to cash out on. Hopefully Metallica doesn't come out with one any time soon.

How is the movie? (No, I did NOT read all 100,000 posts.)

does anybody else like "King Nothing" from Load? The first time I heard it was Live at a concert in April...I was like..."WTF is this song?"....I think I was the only one not singing to it...then I looked up the lyrics that I remembered, downloaded the song, and came to like it.

how many posts are there in this site????

anyway i just wanna post my favourite song in each album, cuz i love almost all of them...

Kille´m all- anesthesia, there is something about that bass solo that makes you feel it saying f*ck u with it a thousand times,
ride the lightning- obviously Fade to black. I think there wasnt anything like it until they released it, but im not sure...
master of puppets- a triple match between orion, sanitarium an MoP.
...and justice for all- blackened. Theres just something about that intro solo
metallica- i know it sounds strange but my favourite is of wolf and man. That song makes feel like a **** wolf it really does
load- bleeding myself, that song is so chilling yet so emotionally charged you realiza why metallica is metallica
reload- fuel is fast paced and pumps u up for the rest of the day
garage inc- tuesdays gone
s&m- just 2 songs to pick fom but definetely no leaf clover
st anger- ..... maybe sweet amber, but i think theyve let us down this time.


My favorite member is james, he is cool

i signed up as a member just to post in this thread " viva metallixa"

Wow! What a stunning revelation![/sarcasm]

Everyone says S&M is kind of a 'best of' but it sure doesn't have the songs I'd want in a 'best of' of theirs.

i have to agree, maybe you are right
 

[QUOTE=bamboomonkey]I have been arguing a theory of mine with my band and anyone else within proximity whilst I am drunk, so let's see how everyone else takes this...

Metallica for their first five albums were THE groundbreaking band. They helped invent the thrash metal genre, the most brutal music of the time, as even Napalm Death had yet to release 'Scum', they then abandoned the genre and invented their own sound and style, notably on the openly progressive MOP and ...AJFA.

Then they did the unthinkable and took metal into the mainstream, and at the same time brought in an emotional introspection that had not been truly done prior to the Black Album.

However, after this, as most fans will agree, they chased the mainstream with the Load and Reload albums.

My theory is that St. Anger is to a certain extent an evolution of this mainstream chasing. Is it a coincedencethat whilst mimsy rock ruled the roost they released the sonic abortion that is the 'Load'-era, but the minute that heavy metal hits the charts, they feel the need to return to the roots that so many of the current chart toppers claim to have influenced them?

hell maybe it's just me, and if you 'Tallica die hards want to crucify me, I would rather you did it with a sensibe and coherent arguement rather than just bellowing poorly spelt obscenities. Also, let's not have all the jazzers just slagging Metallica because they don't like metal. I would really like just a sensible and friendly debate.

Then we can all talk in clever speak and impress the pants off of any nearby members of the opposite sex.[/QUOTE]

hell metallica did adapt themselves as they grew older. maybe that is why most of us sort of stopped loving them. they have become just another band, not metallica anymore. Still, i keep hope. They cant let St anger be their last album. so let us pray and wait for a great metallica album :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

about Apocalyptica:
listen to them, they give songs like MoP and enter sandman a really weird ****ing twist

a thougth, maybe after black album we felt metallica started to worsen because black album is their high peak, there is no way they would do better. although, killem all is far better then St anger if you ask me, so maybe they are getting worse