[QUOTE=Riffmeister9]Wow an example of a bad post. Quit littering our boards with thoughtless, pointless messages jack***. I would be fine with an anti-metallica post if it was backed up with a decent eplanation but to just say an opinion that is band bashing without reason is dumb. It is almost as bad as when the noobs make "Doesn't rap suck threads".[/QUOTE]


My bad. I just dont like em, cause like the singers style and their songs aint so catchy.

[QUOTE]Metallica sucks dick. Their horrible excuse for a band[/QUOTE]

Example of bad English.

Go fornicate yourself with a rusty nail you prick.

[QUOTE=blinksydandsum]My bad. I just dont like em, cause like the singers style and their songs aint so catchy.[/QUOTE]



Sorry. I thought you were just trying to be a ****master and piss off people in this thread.

St. Anger - an opportunity for chin stroking
 

I have been arguing a theory of mine with my band and anyone else within proximity whilst I am drunk, so let's see how everyone else takes this...

Metallica for their first five albums were THE groundbreaking band. They helped invent the thrash metal genre, the most brutal music of the time, as even Napalm Death had yet to release 'Scum', they then abandoned the genre and invented their own sound and style, notably on the openly progressive MOP and ...AJFA.

Then they did the unthinkable and took metal into the mainstream, and at the same time brought in an emotional introspection that had not been truly done prior to the Black Album.

However, after this, as most fans will agree, they chased the mainstream with the Load and Reload albums.

My theory is that St. Anger is to a certain extent an evolution of this mainstream chasing. Is it a coincedencethat whilst mimsy rock ruled the roost they released the sonic abortion that is the 'Load'-era, but the minute that heavy metal hits the charts, they feel the need to return to the roots that so many of the current chart toppers claim to have influenced them?

hell maybe it's just me, and if you 'Tallica die hards want to crucify me, I would rather you did it with a sensibe and coherent arguement rather than just bellowing poorly spelt obscenities. Also, let's not have all the jazzers just slagging Metallica because they don't like metal. I would really like just a sensible and friendly debate.

Then we can all talk in clever speak and impress the pants off of any nearby members of the opposite sex.

[QUOTE=Riffmeister9]Sorry. I thought you were just trying to be a ****master and piss off people in this thread.[/QUOTE]
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No man. that was my bad I didnt read before I posted, I actually got one of their cds, I forgot the name of it though. It only has like 6 songs or something

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^ shut the fuc[color=white]k[/color] up McMullen you worthless piece of shi[color=white]t[/color].

Superpeer please close this.

I totally agree with your theory. It's one of the smartest things that I've heard around here in a while.

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Also, you are a complete failure - go kill yourself. It'd be soooooo funny :)

No man. that was my bad I didnt read before I posted, I actually got one of their cds, I forgot the name of it though. It only has like 6 songs or something[/QUOTE]



It might the Garage Days EP which is Metallica covering others.

I got a question for all of the real fans..why does everybody hate Load?? Its one of my favorite albums and one of Metallica's best. I own them all and Load is right up the with the best

[QUOTE=Riffmeister9]No man. that was my bad I didnt read before I posted, I actually got one of their cds, I forgot the name of it though. It only has like 6 songs or something[/QUOTE]



It might the Garage Days EP which is Metallica covering others.[/QUOTE]


Yeah maybe. my bad about what I said cause i respect them.. lates

why all the "close this"? just one person tried to advertise, but just ignore it. anyways, i like your theory.

Try the "Official Metallica Thread"
:rolleyes:

I will merge this, it is too nice to close.

[QUOTE=emo_must_die]I got a question for all of the real fans..why does everybody hate Load?? Its one of my favorite albums and one of Metallica's best. I own them all and Load is right up the with the best[/QUOTE]

dude, i love load and reload. to me, there are three eras of metallica -

1) early days - includes: kill 'em all, ride the lightning, and master of puppets.
2) middle years - and justice for all, black album
3) expiramentation - load, reload, and st. anger.

i admit that the recording process on st. anger, was a little less than to be desired, but it really reminds me of the justice album. like some guy in here said earlier, Lars finally brought out the double bass's again. if u think that all the songs on st. anger sound the same, go check out the justice album. or really, just any album. they mostly have some sort of theme to them.

metallica killed their career when they killed kirk hammets solos, simple as!

Its funny how everyone claims that Hammett's solos suck but when they stop using them you complain.

Good theory, very well thought out. However i do not agree so much with the "mainstream chasing" aspect of it. When Metallica is going to do something its because its what THEY want to do. Metallica knows what metal is..they helped create it...I applaud them for trying somthing else with Load, Reload and St. Anger. Everyone constantly complains about "Old Metallica" and "I want another MOP", but in all reality if Metallica would've released another MOP then people would complian that they lost their creativity and should try something different. With St. Anger, Metallica just wanted to get back in the studio and make music they wanted to make and they did, regardless of what people thought of it. St. Anger may not be the most technical cd of all time, but who are they trying to impress? Everyone knows kirk can solo like a mofo, Lars can drum anything (everyone bashes on lars but the time changes and on/off beat half choke style he has is amazing), and James can write unbelievable music and play very fast riffs while singing (i'll leave rob out since he's fairly new).

I've also always thought this...The only reason people do not like St.Anger is because it says "Metallica" acrossed the top and they arent used to this style from Metallica. But if some up and coming band released St.Anger, people would like it.

i saw the movie yesterday and i absolutely loved it aside from what anyone might say its genius and I LOVED IT

i saw the new metallica movie tonight, it was cool. they talk about recording the album and how they felt through it all. ya'll should see it

[QUOTE=Riffmeister9]I hate it when people say they want the old Metallica back. I'll tell you a little secret on how to get the old Metallica back, what you do is go grab that greatly loved Master Of Puppets album and put it on. Do you realize how boring it would be if Metallica made the same album over and over again. A lot of people say they want the old Metallica back but if Metallica made the same album over and over again then people probably would be saying something like "Metallica is boring now can't they do something new."

Good for Metallica for constantly trying something new and experimenting. Good for them that they are brave enough to do something without the permission of their fan base and to write the way they see fit. If they keep experimenting there is no doubt in my mind that they will stumble upon something new and great.[/QUOTE]

^genius

[QUOTE=emo_must_die]Good theory, very well thought out. However i do not agree so much with the "mainstream chasing" aspect of it. When Metallica is going to do something its because its what THEY want to do. Metallica knows what metal is..they helped create it...I applaud them for trying somthing else with Load, Reload and St. Anger. Everyone constantly complains about "Old Metallica" and "I want another MOP", but in all reality if Metallica would've released another MOP then people would complian that they lost their creativity and should try something different. With St. Anger, Metallica just wanted to get back in the studio and make music they wanted to make and they did, regardless of what people thought of it. St. Anger may not be the most technical cd of all time, but who are they trying to impress? Everyone knows kirk can solo like a mofo, Lars can drum anything (everyone bashes on lars but the time changes and on/off beat half choke style he has is amazing), and James can write unbelievable music and play very fast riffs while singing (i'll leave rob out since he's fairly new).

I've also always thought this...The only reason people do not like St.Anger is because it says "Metallica" acrossed the top and they arent used to this style from Metallica. But if some up and coming band released St.Anger, people would like it.[/QUOTE]
You're right. I agree and this is what's wrong with American today.

[QUOTE=Riffmeister9]I never said that new Metallica is better because by far it isn't. I completely agree with you on the fact that old classic Metallica is by far more sophisticated and intricate. But one thing you have to understand, yes they may have thrown all of their sophistication out of the window, but you can't expect a band like Metallica who has always kept changing to do something they have already done. It would be absolutely pointless to make another Master Of Puppets CD because they have already done it. Evey album they have made was very different from the last (exception of Load and Reload but they are basically the same album anyways). I'm am perfectly fine with people saying they dislike St. Anger but I just do not like it when they say to go backwards. "There is no u-turn sign in Metallica's road"(paraphrased from Hetfield, Uranium interview May 2003).[/QUOTE]

OK, man, sorry. Thought you were trying to be some sort of a ****master yourself... I think that all that thing started from Load and ReLoad... Although I do like those albums, when you listen to them after classic Metallica, they suck *** just the same as listening to St.Anger after them, IMO... I mean, Metallica are degenerating instead of (atleast) regenerating, now that they're back on stage... From "Ride the Lightning"(I don't really like "Kill 'Em All"...) to the Black Album, they have been changing styles, but not loosing in all aspects of proffesionality and sound, while when Bob Rock stepped into the picture, they suddenly swaped from the deepest texts and musical compositions of their thrash metal style, to those meaningless, musically empty songs like "Aint My Bitch", or "2x4"... I don't, and never will, believe that they have lost their potential of being a respecful ensamble of [u]musically[/u] educated, and developped musicians, with some [u]meaning[/u] or atleast [u]sense[/u] in their songs, and not "I'm Fran, tic tic tic tic tic toe"!
And I say that, because musically talented people don't "loose" their talent, they're just pushed by some cockasses as Bob Rock, to hide it deep in the closet, and start making money instead of music...
I heared that in Load and ReLoad they were just sort of trying out the rock genere, and then, in St.Anger, Bob has pushed it to that stance, that after Kirk has written a 60 seconds of guitar solo, Lars came up to him, and said "Kirk, your ****ing guitar interrupts my drums"! :upset:
We don't say we want a new "Master of Puppets" album, we say we want a new Metallica album, rather than a Bob Rock album...

[b]bamboomonkey[/b], for your friendly conversation, look on my post above.

yeh bob rock sucks

6000th Reply. ;)

Bump.

Cheers BlackDeath. Incidentally, has anyone here read The Dirt by Motley Crue? Not a fan of the music as such, but it was a most interesting read, and I believe when they discuss the whole Dr Feelgood era, they to a certain extent accuse Bob Rock of pushing them to change their sound and their outlook from trashy glam-punk to radio rock.

Maybe it's a coincedence that two relatively underground bands should go the same way..

Also, if, and when, I say I want the old Metallica back over the new Metallica, I mean in the whole essence of their lack of fear to constantly push the boundaries, I mean, look at the huge amount of ground they covered in their first five albums (bear in mind the 'Black' album was mostly written before Bob Rock came into the picture):

Kill 'Em All-Four kids creating the most brutal music of the time to a standard not often heard considering their youth (yes I know half of Death Angel were between seven and foetus when they first the scene)

Ride The Lightning-Almost abandoned Thrash already, writing ballads and slow, groove orientated songs instead of 280bpm open E thrash

Master Of Puppets-Writing 8/9 minute long songs when the metal audience mostly demanded 3:30 songs about whiskey and blwjobs of silicone breasted coke fiends

...And Justice For All-Thought provoking and emotional lyrical matter, songs so long that lesser bands would lose all their limbs trying to play them (Title track is nearly ten minutes long!) 'One' shows a little bit of prediliction towards the mainstream, what with reducing song length for the video, but from spanish guitars to the most metal song conclusion in history makes up for it

Metallica/Black Album-complete departure from what they had ever done before, excepting melodic capability only ever hinted at in 'Fade To Black' etc. Brought emotion into the rock arena. Proved to the world that heavymetal wasn't the preserve of satan worshipping jocks with an I.Q. smaller than the number of chords that Poison could play.

The key in all of these albums is innovation, and going somewhere that they hadn't gone before, and that people didn't think they could go to. Everything after that is simply retreading old ideas. Let's face it, without comparisons to everything pre-91, the Load albums and even St. Anger (I suppose) are better than what some bands put out. there are even some genuinely good songs in there too (not including St. Anger, in my opinion at least).

so when I say I want the old Metallica back, I mean I want them to surprise me, and do the things that made them the innovators of the genre that they once were, instead of the cliches of the genre that they are now. I think it is truly sad to see a band that was once the finest without question to a certain extent waste their phenomonal talent by not pushing themselves like we saw them do in the past.

Woah, a massive post. Sorry. Just hope it wasn't too boring.