[QUOTE=nzrocker]Anyone got the K/Z 14' hi-hats? I want something dark, and the wash shouldn't be too tonal or musical if you know what I mean, I hated the 13' A New Beats, the wash was too tonal and ringy. But I want something with a really nice thick, low chick sound. Should fit with pop/rock, classic rock/alternative, and the 'chick' should be funky.[/QUOTE]

I would think New Beats would work. I love the 14" New Beats, might want to try a larger hi-hat. Also look at Mastersounds.

what is the thicker between the rock weight and the med-heavy weight?

A rock Weight is a Medium-Heavy in a Crash.

a rock weight ride would be a Heavy.

(This goes for sabian anyway)

I'm torn between the 16" Sabian HH duo crash and the HHX stage Crash to compliment my 17" Kcustom dark. I haven't heard them with my K custom so I'm not sure of the voulmes. Are they rougly the same? Also Which to you reckon would blend with the K custom better?

anybody?

Alright johnny...I need your expertise once again.

I recently went and store tested some cymbals...some Paistes, Zils, and Sabians. The one I had anticipated testing the most was the HH Raw Bell Dry Ride. I love the bow sound and the bell sound...but I don't think it has enough volume. Also the wash was very...unmusical? I'm just not so sure that it would fit in well with my HHX Hats and Vault Crash. Any suggestions?

[QUOTE=bobby__johnny]A rock Weight is a Medium-Heavy in a Crash.

a rock weight ride would be a Heavy.

(This goes for sabian anyway)[/QUOTE]

thanks bobby :D

[quote]I recently went and store tested some cymbals...some Paistes, Zils, and Sabians. The one I had anticipated testing the most was the HH Raw Bell Dry Ride. I love the bow sound and the bell sound...but I don't think it has enough volume. Also the wash was very...unmusical? I'm just not so sure that it would fit in well with my HHX Hats and Vault Crash. Any suggestions?[/quote]

well, it is a dry ride, and thus, the wash and volume will be diminished. if you are looking for more volume, in a similar sound, try and find a Hand Hammered Heavy ride. (or K. Zildjian Heavy Ride). it should be fairly low pitched, but the weight will be a bit heavier, and the bell a bit bigger. (more volume, a bit more wash). technically, stick definiton should be increased too, because its going to be heavier....hope that helps.

[quote]I'm torn between the 16" Sabian HH duo crash and the HHX stage Crash to compliment my 17" Kcustom dark. I haven't heard them with my K custom so I'm not sure of the voulmes. Are they rougly the same? Also Which to you reckon would blend with the K custom better?

anybody?[/quote]

of those two, the Duo crash will be the dryer and should be the darker sounding. myself, i'd take the HHX Stage though. it will be a bit more dominant sounding than the K Custom however...so maybe also look into the Hand Hammered Medium-Thin crashes.

[QUOTE=Matter]I think they are incredable... I have the 13'' dark crisp sig hats and next week I am getting the 14'' sound edge sig hats. :naughty:[/QUOTE]
Hey man I was actually deciding between dark crisps and sound edges. Which do you like better

looking for a second crash and new hats. I play mostly rock and metal music, so I would prefer to avoid thin cymbals..Current cymbal setup is : Sabian 17" AA medium crash, 11" max splash, 20" AA rock ride. For the hats, im looking for a good all around pairing, was thinking about 14" AAx studios or 14" A New beats. Crash, something to compliment my current setup, looking for suggestions on both bright and dark crashes. And a trashy china around the 18-20 size, as I've got a 12" wuhan. Thanks

[QUOTE=drummer172]Hey man I was actually deciding between dark crisps and sound edges. Which do you like better[/QUOTE]

Well i'm in love with my new 14'' sig sound edge hats...suprisingly the 14'' sig sound edges are higher pitched than the 13'' sig dark crisp hats. The sound edges' are cleaner sounding with a smoother wash and tight as hell "chick" while the dark crisp has more of a crispy wash and chick as the name applies.
I'm deciding which hats I want as the main and which one is going on the cable hat...but they both sound Delicious!!! you can't make a wrong choice between these two high-hats!!! :thumb:

[QUOTE]looking for a second crash and new hats. I play mostly rock and metal music, so I would prefer to avoid thin cymbals..Current cymbal setup is : Sabian 17" AA medium crash, 11" max splash, 20" AA rock ride. For the hats, im looking for a good all around pairing, was thinking about 14" AAx studios or 14" A New beats. Crash, something to compliment my current setup, looking for suggestions on both bright and dark crashes. And a trashy china around the 18-20 size, as I've got a 12" wuhan. Thanks[/QUOTE]
Hats AA 14" Regulars
Crash 18" AAX Satge Crash or 18" HHX Studio
Chinese 20" HHX Chinese

Well, here's my first post... :)
I currently have all B8's besides my AA China and AA splash, and although I'm probably going to be buying a rack next, I like the idea to this thread and think I'll see what others reccomend for me.

I'd like to upgrade my B8 crashes first though. I'm having trouble explaining what I want though. My band mates want something loud, and I'd agree on that for gigs. But when at home practicing, I like to play different styles (I play metal with my band) and I'd like my crashed to be warm sounding and kind of mix well with my drums, especially the bass drum. I read an article of Modern Drummer on the new Sabian Vault line, and they sounding good (though I've never played one) but I'm not sure.

So any suggestions? I'd prefer Sabian cymbals, but I'll listen to other suggestions too.
Thanks! :)

for metal, i'd advise AGAINST the Vault series.

your best bets would be AA Medium Crashes (17" +) - they will cut through your metal, but wont sound bad or obtrusive when struck lightly.

they are a fairly bright sounding cymbal, but compared to your B8's, they will sound warmer.

gennerally, for metal, Bright sound are the choice, but you can look into the HHX stage Crashes or Hand Hammered Medium Crashes for darker tones. they will be a bit more expensive, but will be equally as thick, and loud as the AA's.

I'm in the market for two new cymbals. A [b]ride[/b] and a [/b]china[/b].

Right now, I'm currently hitting an Zildjian A 20" Ping Ride. I really don't like the stick definition on it, it just starts to all wash out and blend into one sound. I'm looking for one with a nice sound (duh) and good stick definition. I'm thinking a K Custom, but I'd just like to see what ya'll think before I go to Sam Ash and check them out.

I've never had a China before, and I don't really wanna spend too much money on one (they arn't supposed to have the greatest sound, no?). I really have no idea what to look for in a China. I don't really want a WuHan, I've heard those break real easy, and I'm a fairly hard hitter.

Thanks.

if you want more definiton than a Ping Ride, then K Custom is NOT what you want.

the only thing i can think of that has more sticking than any other ride on the face of this planet, is the A Zildjian Earth Ride. its a beast, and should be rather dry.

B8 Pro for the china. a bit more that that of a Wuhan, but less trash, more tone, and your normal 1 year warranty and brand name relaiability.

[QUOTE]ooking for a second crash and new hats. I play mostly rock and metal music, so I would prefer to avoid thin cymbals..Current cymbal setup is : Sabian 17" AA medium crash, 11" max splash, 20" AA rock ride. For the hats, im looking for a good all around pairing, was thinking about 14" AAx studios or 14" A New beats. Crash, something to compliment my current setup, looking for suggestions on both bright and dark crashes. And a trashy china around the 18-20 size, as I've got a 12" wuhan. Thanks[/QUOTE]

Bobby, any ideas for a complementing bright sounding crash?

A customs should do the job. For bright I would go with the standard A custom crash. Or if your looking for quick decay go with the fast crash.

[QUOTE=bobby__johnny]B8 Pro for the china. a bit more that that of a Wuhan, but less trash, more tone, and your normal 1 year warranty and brand name relaiability.[/QUOTE]

You [i]really[/i] like that B8 Pro china, don't you?

^^ For good reason. It is teh win!

[quote]You really like that B8 Pro china, don't you?[/quote]

yes....yes i do. that would be why i reccomend it.

[quote]Bobby, any ideas for a complementing bright sounding crash?[/quote]

maybe a 17" AA Rock Crash....and the hats - 14" AAX Stage Hats.

i dont feel like lurking this whole thread so im just gona post my question, sorry if its already been addressed


im considering going with a 21' sweet ride, but it comes in brilliant and trad. finishes. is there any diffrence between the 2 cymbals besides physical appearance?

no i tried both types, the brilliant one is polished at high speed so it is very slightly thinner but the sound difference is unnoticeable....

well, the 2 you will try will sound quite different, as hey are different cymbals

but assuming you tried a cymbal in traditional, and then added the brilliant afterwards, it should sound a bit smoother and glassier (only i tiny bit mind you) and the actual pitch would drop a bit....not to any audible difference mind you.

so basically, to the human ear, they should sound the same. to an oscilliscope, you would be seeing a slight change.

my opinion, go Traditional when possible...its MUCH easier to keep clean.

^ I do agree, brilliant finishes pisses me off when you try and clean them^

traditional look better anyway :p

alright guys thanks for the help. personally, im a brilliant finish kinda person but keeping them clean really is a bit[B][I][/I][/B]ch. i think you have to special order brilliant ones from musicians friend but guitar center has them stocked so when ive got the money it will be alot quicker and easier.

good man. in person. :thumb:

massmusic does Brilliant on request....they order the cymbal after you order anyway i think

then thats definately not for me, waiting for stuff in the mail kills me. i start getting real impulsive and check the tracking alot...

2 weeks for my cymbal to come in. not that bad really, considering it went from Sabian (4 or so hour drive from my house), through customs, down to Arizona, back into customs, and then onto my house.

im not quite sure how to describe the sound that i want, but i want metal cymbals. (preferably sabian)

crash, ride, hats, splash

i'm guessing bright and cutting?

AA Rock and AAX Metal models would suit you the best.

awesome, thanks

Hey, I'm in need of a new crash cymbal, and I don't know what to get. I know the best way is to go try them out at the store, but how about some advise?
I'm in a fairly hard rock band and I need a cymbal that can cut through the music. I have an A series 18'' that sort of booms behind the music, I need a cymbal to stick through the song. Obviously an A custom would be nice, I looked at an A custom Fast crash, but that decay is so quick, I need something to stick around longer..... A custom Projection?
My cymbals are K custom ride 20'', 18'' A crash and 14'' A New Beat hats. What cymbal with the above qualities would go well with these other cymbals. Im looking mainly at Zildjians, or Paistes under $200, any advice will help.
thanks

I have a 17" A Custom Projection crash and love it, I play hard rock/metal/funk, its loud and powerful but very musical at the same time. I highly recommend one!

-BD

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A custom projections are a great choice, if your store has them, check out 18" and 19" models as well as the 17", you might like abit more metal. I have the 18" and I love it, best thing I've ever bought.

i'd say a 16" or 17" A Rock Crash would cut perfectly.

thanks

anyone ever played/eared the vault artisan ride?? On the Sabian site they say it sounds really good but I'd like to ear others opinions...

by what they say on Sabian.com, my interpretation is that its their take on the K Constantinople ride that Zildjian makes.....take it from there i guess. i'll tell you when i try one for sure.

so it would be a kind of a jazz, soft music ride?