[QUOTE=Hodl pu]Here's just a small concern, Is it normal to have a really weak voice in the morning, then later it becomes strong? Or do I have a vocal node or something.

And Merkaba, how do you warm down? Ive heard of warm ups and what to do, but warming down just completely flew over my book of knowledge.[/QUOTE]

You warm down to return your cords, relatively, back to their original shape and length, etc. This also helps reduce the tendency and need for mucus production.

The basics are to start at your highest falsetto and slide down to your lowest note. I like to do all vowels a few times, ending with E. Then start in your basic speaking voice and slide down to your lowest and hold. All vowels ending with e. Then just hold low vowels...ending with E. Then just hold low E's. If I feel like I really need it I will do mid and low E's here and there throughout the rest of day or night.

its ok to reach for your lowes lowest. But for the most part you want it to be a good singing quality. Not a meditational mantra....unless you can get it cleanly. You know how when you go really low it gets kinda raspy? I would say if you want to go that low then do them at the begining of each vowel slide, ending with a few more repetitions at a good singing quality low.

For the most part this shouldnt take more than five minutes, unless you feel you need it. At the very least just dont abruptly stop vocalizing. Even normal talking is better than a complete stop.

I'm not sure what the response to this is going to be like..But..Could someone maybe just give me some advice for a guy who wants to start screaming? I don't wanna' hurt my throat or vocal chords any, which is why I'm asking you guys before I even really try. So, maybe just give me a bit of start off stuff, something that would help me learn to scream, but also without harming me?

is there anyway to keep your voice from cracking? i think i could sing 10x better if i could sing without cracking when i switch from higher to lower keys.

hey guys. i am in a band, playing guitar. i have never sung before ever, and i have a horrid voice. any tips on how to sing better, and from my diaphram? thanks a ton in advance.

Hi guys,Im a new member here and want to learn more bout singing.

My first question is that I know we sound different when we hear ourself sing and other people hear us.My question is if we practice can our voice(that is heard by other people) be the same like the one I hear?

My second question is when I sing I can go both from really low to really high.I want to know the name for this kind of voice.

Thx in advance

[QUOTE=musicNEVERdies]Hi guys,Im a new member here and want to learn more bout singing.

My first question is that I know we sound different when we hear ourself sing and other people hear us.My question is if we practice can our voice(that is heard by other people) be the same like the one I hear?

My second question is when I sing I can go both from really low to really high.I want to know the name for this kind of voice.

Thx in advance[/QUOTE]
First question...
That depends on your hearing. I dont think its anything that should be taught or worried about. What you hear isnt important. Its what comes out of your mouth. You should be concerned with vibrating the air the best you can. Not your ears. Youre not trying to work on your listening....youre trying to work on your singing.

Second question . You dont provide enough informatin. Everyone and their momma says they can do what you do. So we need to hear a sample or more info. Do you know what true voice and falsetto is? When does your voice naturally want to start falsetto? Is it a push or strain to sing the b or c above middle c in true head voice? or does you falsetto want to happen? We need info like this. You could be a baritone or bass with alot of falsetto, you could be a tenor, you could be a freak. We dont know.

[QUOTE=Lightning Strikes Twice]I'm not sure what the response to this is going to be like..But..Could someone maybe just give me some advice for a guy who wants to start screaming? I don't wanna' hurt my throat or vocal chords any, which is why I'm asking you guys before I even really try. So, maybe just give me a bit of start off stuff, something that would help me learn to scream, but also without harming me?[/QUOTE]



Go buy Melissa Cross' DVD called The Zen of Screaming.



She tells you exactly what to do, and what not to do.

[QUOTE=Semple]Go buy Melissa Cross' DVD called The Zen of Screaming.



She tells you exactly what to do, and what not to do.[/QUOTE]
Well..I asked in here because I wanted to get help from multiple people, and try multiple things. I also don't have the money to spend..All I want is something basic to get me going.

ok thx for the information and help.

[QUOTE=Lightning Strikes Twice]Well..I asked in here because I wanted to get help from multiple people, and try multiple things. I also don't have the money to spend..All I want is something basic to get me going.[/QUOTE]



Okay, then.


A scream is literally just a yell onto pitch, with rasp. Once you learn how to yell onto pitch, you add the rasp. The rasp is(of course) the tricky part. You need to make sure that your rasp is being created lower in your throat, as opposed to your throat being closed up top. Just make sure that your throat isn't closed. If you can't tell, you're basically screwed.

When you're practising getting rasp properly, only practise for 5 minutes at a time. Wait a couple hours and then try again. I say this because you will be doing it the wrong way at first, and doing it for any more than 5 minutes is going to tear and scrape your larynx up really bad.

Screaming is going to hurt in the [B]throat[/B] for the first, I'd say, two weeks. This is because the pressure is much higher when you're screaming, rubbing your throat raw. I bolded throat, so you know that it's throat, and not vocal cords. You don't want your vocal cords hurting. A lot of people will tell you that you must not have any pain or discomfort in your cords when you start screaming. But the truth is, if you don't sing at all, and you suddenly start screaming, you're asking a fair bit more of your cords to hold notes when you're yelling. So you may notice a bit of problems(ie. voice sounds like crap, swollen cords) when you first start out, because of overuse. So make sure you warm up your cords, and make sure you exercise them just like you would any muscle.

[QUOTE=Semple]Okay, then.


A scream is literally just a yell onto pitch, with rasp. Once you learn how to yell onto pitch, you add the rasp. The rasp is(of course) the tricky part. You need to make sure that your rasp is being created lower in your throat, as opposed to your throat being closed up top. Just make sure that your throat isn't closed. If you can't tell, you're basically screwed.

When you're practising getting rasp properly, only practise for 5 minutes at a time. Wait a couple hours and then try again. I say this because you will be doing it the wrong way at first, and doing it for any more than 5 minutes is going to tear and scrape your larynx up really bad.

Screaming is going to hurt in the [B]throat[/B] for the first, I'd say, two weeks. This is because the pressure is much higher when you're screaming, rubbing your throat raw. I bolded throat, so you know that it's throat, and not vocal cords. You don't want your vocal cords hurting. A lot of people will tell you that you must not have any pain or discomfort in your cords when you start screaming. But the truth is, if you don't sing at all, and you suddenly start screaming, you're asking a fair bit more of your cords to hold notes when you're yelling. So you may notice a bit of problems(ie. voice sounds like crap, swollen cords) when you first start out, because of overuse. So make sure you warm up your cords, and make sure you exercise them just like you would any muscle.[/QUOTE]
Thanks alot. I'll try that out.

[QUOTE=Lightning Strikes Twice]I'm not sure what the response to this is going to be like..But..Could someone maybe just give me some advice for a guy who wants to start screaming? I don't wanna' hurt my throat or vocal chords any, which is why I'm asking you guys before I even really try. So, maybe just give me a bit of start off stuff, something that would help me learn to scream, but also without harming me?[/QUOTE]
The most important thing you could ever learn is to sing normally in all of your range. This will reassure your vocal technique and placement and isolation from your larynx muscles. Then you can add the rasp on top of the note. When practicing, go for the proper note first. Sing the scream. I should write a freaking book with that title. Hmmmmmmm

[QUOTE=I AM CANADA]hey guys. i am in a band, playing guitar. i have never sung before ever, and i have a horrid voice. any tips on how to sing better, and from my diaphram? thanks a ton in advance.[/QUOTE]

First page....[url]http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219911[/url]
[QUOTE=superjoe]is there anyway to keep your voice from cracking? i think i could sing 10x better if i could sing without cracking when i switch from higher to lower keys.[/QUOTE]
The most common reason for cracking is trying to sing with the same force and tension across two seperate registers. The cords in head voice are closing together, in falsetto they are pulling thin and apart. So when you go from falsetto down to head or vice versa, you have to know that youre going to have to change requirements. The cords are more flexible in falsetto and when you come down to a true voice head they arent as much because they are coming together more, needing to go through more of a vibratory cycle. An important concept is that if there were a candle in front of your mouth you wouldnt blow it out. If anything let up on air pressure when youre jumping around until you know your bridges. Of course you should practice scales with a piano or guitar. If this sounds boring then whats more boring, crapping out notes or doing a little work and never worrying about your bridge/breaks again? You need to get into muscle memory what voice and position you need for a given note. Most of it is already in memory, or should be...its that area around the transitions to and from where youre more likely to try to sing a falsetto note by stretching your head up to it. That will be a crap most times unless you get very flexible, but if you cant work the voices consistently then you'll never iron them out. Except for maybe a long process of elimination and eventuality.

Okay so heres the deal. I did a little improv. and my friends said my singing wasn't that bad. I am kinda sick but IMO this is the best I have ever sang. Please tell me what I can do to improve :). But please don't just tell me I suck, because I want to get better.
[URL="www.soundclick.com/fuzzyhair"]www.soundclick.com/fuzzyhair[/URL]
It's the song labeled emo/punk/hardcore.
Thanks
Oh and please only comment on the parts before the punk parts. The rest sucks lol.

[QUOTE=fuzzyhair]Okay so heres the deal. I did a little improv. and my friends said my singing wasn't that bad. I am kinda sick but IMO this is the best I have ever sang. Please tell me what I can do to improve :). But please don't just tell me I suck, because I want to get better.
[URL="www.soundclick.com/fuzzyhair"]www.soundclick.com/fuzzyhair[/URL]
It's the song labeled emo/punk/hardcore.
Thanks
Oh and please only comment on the parts before the punk parts. The rest sucks lol.[/QUOTE]
you sounded like you were in a lot of pain in the beginning lol. i liked the
scream at the end tho.

[QUOTE=golfguy]you sounded like you were in a lot of pain in the beginning lol. i liked the
scream at the end tho.[/QUOTE]
well that was also due to the emoness of it all :P.

Lots of squeezing in there. Go for the note first. Try to sing the song cleanly first. Then cleanly but hard....I would like to hear a sample of that.

I could use some insight on how to do aggressive pitched singing, i'm not sure if it's called that, but it kinda makes a more rough and rugged sound like the chords vibrate more or something? All I know is it doesent sound like a clean voice. Lorene Drive does some in their song Lip Service
[url]www.purevolume.com/lorenedrive[/url]

but yeah, if anyone knows what i'm talking about, could someone give me some help please?

[QUOTE=Hodl pu]I could use some insight on how to do aggressive pitched singing, i'm not sure if it's called that, but it kinda makes a more rough and rugged sound like the chords vibrate more or something? All I know is it doesent sound like a clean voice. Lorene Drive does some in their song Lip Service
[url]www.purevolume.com/lorenedrive[/url]

but yeah, if anyone knows what i'm talking about, could someone give me some help please?[/QUOTE]

I'm not really a singer, but I've seen this question a lot so I'll give it a try. Your link doesn't work, but I assume you're talking about a raspy voice, like James Hetfield. What you do to achieve this is sing the note, and then lift the back of your throat to create another sort of vibration. To get a feel for where the back of your throat is and how to get rasp, try making an "aank" sound, like a "wrong answer" buzzer. Once you can get that sound, try applying it to your normal singing voice.

Everything I've just said has been said by Merkaba many times in this and other threads, so credit goes to him. Good luck, anyway.

:thumb:

[QUOTE=Hodl pu]I could use some insight on how to do aggressive pitched singing, i'm not sure if it's called that, but it kinda makes a more rough and rugged sound like the chords vibrate more or something? All I know is it doesent sound like a clean voice. Lorene Drive does some in their song Lip Service
[url]www.purevolume.com/lorenedrive[/url]

but yeah, if anyone knows what i'm talking about, could someone give me some help please?[/QUOTE]

if you sing the same notes hes hitting you'd probably make the same sound. Hes singing very high notes, like G5 at times. He probably has really good
control of headvoice.

Most times bands like this just take chest voice as
high as they can (check out Finch). But im sure this guy is diff, hes pretty
good.

[QUOTE=Hodl pu]I could use some insight on how to do aggressive pitched singing, i'm not sure if it's called that, but it kinda makes a more rough and rugged sound like the chords vibrate more or something? All I know is it doesent sound like a clean voice. Lorene Drive does some in their song Lip Service
[url]www.purevolume.com/lorenedrive[/url]

but yeah, if anyone knows what i'm talking about, could someone give me some help please?[/QUOTE]
I just listened to the sample. I heard a little scream near the last third. But the normal singing is just partially affected by the same methods as if you were going to scream. Normal clean voice singing with a little extra push worked in over time will give you the strength and flexibility that you'd need for the tension you have to use.

Amplifying Vocals
 

Okays, Apreciate some help here, If you can.

We usually meet up for a practise/jam session, every week or so, but we're seriousloy stuck for vocals. Not that we cant sing, but, we cant hear ourselves =P

So, our usual set up is Two Marshall 15W amps for guitars, and then the drums,

Could anyone suggest what would be the best type of amplifier/PA to buy for microphonication?

Thanks,
Freeze Frame

Hey merk or anyone else who knows what they're talking about

I'm lead vox for a metal band now, and there is a lot of screaming going on. Now I have my screams down technique-wise to where i get a good sound and can do them all day with no pain. However, my singing voice gets real airy and breathy and I completely lose my falsetto. The airy tone isnt too much of a problem, since it sounds good for certain things, but the falsetto is really causing problems. My falsetto scream is my best assett and after about 20 minutes, i can get the sound kinda but no power. Am I doing something wrong or do I need more conditioning for my cords?

Are your cords drying out?

[QUOTE=Hodl pu]I could use some insight on how to do aggressive pitched singing, i'm not sure if it's called that, but it kinda makes a more rough and rugged sound like the chords vibrate more or something? All I know is it doesent sound like a clean voice. Lorene Drive does some in their song Lip Service
[url]www.purevolume.com/lorenedrive[/url]

but yeah, if anyone knows what i'm talking about, could someone give me some help please?[/QUOTE]



You mean like Billy Corgan?

i dont think my cords are drying out that fast, and drinking water doesnt help, ive tried that

[QUOTE=Semple]You mean like Billy Corgan?[/QUOTE]

No not really, but I got it now, Merkaba was able to Nail it. Thanks! :chug:

Hey everyone,

I have posted a few clips on my Dmusic account of songs I recorded several months ago when I was practicing a lot. I spent a lot of time on these, but just think the vocals aren't very good. I really don't know if I'm singing properly in key, though I made a conscious effort to do so. There is a weird quality to my voice that I can't seem to shake. And when I try to, it doesn't sound like singing anymore.

Here are the clips: [url]http://onetrickpony.dmusic.com/[/url]

Can you guys and girls (anyone reading) please listen and critique my singing. I am just wondering if it totally sucks and would be a wasted effort to start practicing again.

If you think it flat out sucks, sounds boring, uninspired, lacks emotion, whatever... please tell me.

Thanks for any help.

Mr.Merkaba:

In my pursuit of "vocalism" I have been making steady progress, with both your insights and perspectives alongside the instruction that I have aquired through my formal singing lessons. Inspiring my style the most, is Raine Maida from Our Lady Peace. This leads me to my current Waterloo, as I am struggling to achieve decent falsetto, like Raine has. When I do sing in falsetto it fails to sound as "crisp" as his does and instead sounds somewhat "flat" (not pitchwise, but tonewise). Though I think it may be due to either improper amounts of airflow, or mucous, I am boggled by the idea of actually sounding good while singing in this range. Thanks for reading this, I apologise if I strung it out too far with my superlative grammer.

I want to know something. I'm a smoker, I smoke a pack in 2 days. I'm thinkin about trying to quit, and I want to know if my body will recover? I'm a singer, and I've noticed a slight difference in my range lately. Also, when I do quit, is there any songs/vocal excercises to work on my throat to aid in the recovery process?