Before I address this, just let me say that I'm not one of the more knowledgeable emo fans here. I just know what I've picked up from DFelon, BuddyBigsby and so on.

[QUOTE=september endings]
bright eyes is not rock, nor are elliot smith, or damein rice. nor they pop. they surely are not pop rock.[/QUOTE]

Damien Rice and Elliott Smith are also very much not emo. They make music heavy with emotion, but that's not the same as emo.

[QUOTE]you guys have a set opinion of what emo is, and can't tolerate that other people having their own opinion of what emo is. if you search over the web and music mags you will see the bands u consider "punk-pop" are more considered emo.[/QUOTE]

Genre isn't about opinion.

[QUOTE]with emo becoming heavily radio mainstream, the cure's "love song" and radiohead's "creep" were revived on the airwaves. neither of those bands emo, but those 2 songs with the sorrowful yet beautiful lyrics with the melodic and catchy melodies fall into line with what many consider emo.[/QUOTE]

I don't see what place this is taking in your argument, but in any case, the same point as applies to your labelling of Damien Rice and Elliott Smith applies here.

[QUOTE]thursday IS considered emo by most people, as they find comfort is my chemical romance's music and vice versa.[/QUOTE]

What?

[QUOTE]and the person who originally started this thread just wanted to know a few new emo bands. i'm sure he/she meant mainstream emo, or the pop-punk u guys refer it to. you guys thrashed this thread so that people who originally came here for the mainstrem emo that you guys believe to be punk-pop left. [/QUOTE]

No, that's precisely what the thread was not supposed to do. It was originally started (yes, by iliketoplaydrums) in order to list bands which actually are emo (those in the the second post), as opposed to those commonly misconceived as emo (most of what you listed).

[QUOTE]people like you guys destroy everything with your eliteness. your kind is in all subcultures. from skating to surfing, to poetry, to art, to fashion, to music. you guys obviously know much, but you believe you know it all and you treat newbies to the sub-culture with such hostility that it takes out the fun.[/QUOTE]

If you were watching some people skateboarding, and someone else comes along with a scooter and insists she is skating, and the skaters explain that what she is doing is not skating, are the skaters being arsehole elitists? Or are they just trying to correct her?

Or, to wring this dry, if you were attending a poetry reading, and one of the performers got up on stage and danced, and it is patiently explained to him that dancing is not, in fact, reading poetry; again, are they being bastards, or just informing him of what a poetry reading actually is?

Great analogy Bartender.

And september, your problem is you're basing your knowledge on mainstream rock magazines. I mean come on, "Even revolver calls Senses Fail emo"... give me a break. The guys that write at magazines like that don't come from that scene and really know very little about it. I mean come on, these same guys were JUST writing articles on Korn a couple years ago before hardcore became cool, you think they know their s[font=verdana]h[/font]it? No. They just echo what other mainstream media outlets are spewing out at the MTV culture. I mean come on, pretty much every single 'hardcore' band they cover in there they describe something like "a mixture of Swedish death metal, hardcore fury, and screamo". I remember once they described ETID somewhat like that. Its pretty ridiculous.

Your little history there is incorrect. I know you've probably read this somewhere in this thread, but I'll give you a really quick rundown anyways.

Emo came about in the 80's from hardcore punk. Rites of Spring, Antioch Arrow, Moss Icon, Swing Kids were a few of those bands. Listen to them now, and you'll understand the roots of emo. Now, taking into account the sounds of these bands, you REALLY think Good Charlotte and Finch evolved from that? No way, my boy. Want to know what came from that? Listen to The Khayembii Communique, City of Caterpillar, Yaphet Kotto, or Saetia just to name a few. If you don't do that, you don't deserve to argue this any further.

i know and seen a lot of metalcore and hardcore bands.. and some grind if any one wants info on them

[QUOTE=september endings]damion rice[/QUOTE]

:lol:

idk if My Chemical Romance is Emo or Sceamo or either but how do u guys feel about them? i kinda like them myself

Their first CD was good, They are pop-punk though.

I'm starting to get into Envy, are they considered a screamo band?

Also, recommend me bands like them, I like this stuff a lot.

Love 'em.

Pageninetynine
Crestfallen
Saetia
[url=http://www.purevolume.com/adayinblackandwhite]A Day In Black And White[/url]
Hot Cross (maybe...)

They are pretty similar.

[I]Genre isn't about opinion.[/I]

Music, like art and poetry is.

[I]I don't see what place this is taking in your argument, but in any case, the same point as applies to your labelling of Damien Rice and Elliott Smith applies here.[/I]

I was getting at the point that emo is different to everyone, and varies much. From Damien Rice, Taking Back Sunday, to My Chemical Romance, to Saves the Day. That certain songs of a band can be emo while the band is not. Or bands that are emo can make songs that are not.

[I]thursday IS considered emo by most people, as they find comfort is my chemical romance's music and vice versa. [/I]

My Chemical Romance along with the Mars Volta are leading the mainstream emo on the airwaves. My Chemical Romance, in real life are good friends with Thursday. Through interviews, the admit to find inspiration from their music through each other. They both are emo (in my opinion), and ( i believe they) would classify one another as emo.

[I]If you were watching some people skateboarding, and someone else comes along with a scooter and insists she is skating, and the skaters explain that what she is doing is not skating, are the skaters being arsehole elitists? Or are they just trying to correct her?

Or, to wring this dry, if you were attending a poetry reading, and one of the performers got up on stage and danced, and it is patiently explained to him that dancing is not, in fact, reading poetry; again, are they being bastards, or just informing him of what a poetry reading actually is?
[/I]

you are mixing sub-cultures. in skate there are genres of skate. 3 of them i believe. they they blend into each other all the time. and in skate, just like this board, there are elitist who try and classify the way professionals skate, and define their own genre of skate in their own fashion.

of coarse, if a band got up on stage and started rapping u would call them out and tell them they are not emo. but when PEOPLE WHO STUDY MUSIC FOR A LIVING, INTERVIEW BANDS, PHOTOGRAPH THEM, AND MAKE A PROFESSION AT IT CALL BANDS EMO AND INTERNET BOARD BLOGGERS SAY OTHERWISE, i would rather believe the people who get paid to know their stuff.

i was comparing you guys to the elitists in the other sub-cultures when u guys were hostile to other posters simply for disagrying with you, or not knowing as much music knowledge as you. like eliists in other sub-cultures do.

like when that guy went off on how much from autumn to ashes sucks and that he could write a 5 page essay on how much they suck. reminds me of sceney art snobs who bash each other's art.

once again, music is about fun, enjoyment, and personal taste and opinion. you guys acting all high and mighty take that out of this.

[I]Your little history there is incorrect. I know you've probably read this somewhere in this thread, but I'll give you a really quick rundown anyways.[/I]

that wasn't my history, it was taken from audiogalaxy.com.

granted, audiogalaxy could be completely wrong. and maybe the writers at revolver who actually come into contact with numberous of these bands face to face, person to person could be completely wrong. and perhaps, my chemical romance, senses fail and the emo bands are even wrong in catagorizing themselves. it is entirely possible that everyone is wrong but you.

all you guys have to back up yor arguments are your opinions. "becuase i said so." even me citing actual sites, magazines to prove my points are irrelavent to you guys.

being as narrowminded as you guys are, no matter how much proof i give you, or who i cite. your idea of emo founded on your own opinions as to how the music genre evolved, will remain right to you.

so i give up.

[I]Listen to The Khayembii Communique, City of Caterpillar, Yaphet Kotto, or Saetia just to name a few.[/I]

i will do that. I'm always up for new music.

:lol:

[QUOTE=september (quotation marks are my own)][i]"Genre isn't about opinion."[/i]

Music, like art and poetry is.[/QUOTE]

I won't quote the rest of your post (and make points against bits of it), because this is where the problem lies. Music is about opinion in so far as liking it or not, yes, but not with genres. A band either plays one type of music (and I don't mean that there are no bands that mix styles of music, before you throw that back at me) or they don't, it's not individual to each person listening. For example, Slayer (broadly) play metal. Saying that to you, Slayer's music is punk doesn't make it so. Genre isn't opinion, and so it can be wrong.

September, you seem like an intelligent guy, so I'm going continue this in as mature a manner as I can. The problem is, you're taking your information from the wrong people. Revolver magazine, I'm sorry to say, is not the greatest authority on a genre like emo. Their writers are paid to write about all kinds of music, mainstream music. The majority of them (as there is bound to be a few) haven't been in the scene and don't know what they're talking about, this is why for underground music, you must turn to underground publications such as zines or even websites. I mean, the guys at Revolver that write about Senses Fail and emo are the same guys that write about Korn. They know a little bit of everything, but emo is something that the mainstream media is wrong on. I'm somewhat of a journalist and one of the first things I was ever taught is that the MOST important thing in writing, is to write in consideration of your audience. If your audience thinks that Senses Fail and Silverstein are emo because another media outlet has been shoving that down their throats, then guess what... you're going to reenforce that belief and keep the subscriptions coming. A lot of it is politics.

I'm going to be really cliche here by posting this link... and I think this site goes a little bit overboard with classification, but it WILL give you a general idea of emo and its roots and where it has come today... [url]www.fourfa.com[/url]

Dont Post Stuf About How Faf Isnt Emo Cuz They Aer Whether U Liek It Or Not So Bl3h11!!111 Omg Lol Anyon3 3lse Liek This Band Or Know Soma Similar Bands?!!?!! Omg Wtf Lol

Kaospilot is cool. They also sound like Envy.

I love kaospilot.

you know what we should all write letters to magazines like revolver, ap, rock-sound, and law of inertia and flame them until they get it right and then most people will not be ignorant and know what real emo is. and as for classifying bands like taking back sunday funeral for a friend, etc., i call it nu-emo. i actually like most of it, but not as much as hot cross and the like

Ok Uve Guys Have Gone Too Far
 

Ok, Im Just Sick Of U Fags, How Can U Like That Crap, All They Talk Bout Is Some European Women For Cripes Sake Get A ****in Life U Dum Fuks Listen To Some Gawd **** Good Musik For Gawds Sake, Ur All Idiots Who Shop At Hot Topic For Nothing, Fags!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!if U Get Dumped Get Another Ho Fromt He Stable Dont ****in Cry **** Cunts. Gawd I Hate U Emu Losers And Screaming Has No Purpose, Ur All Fags And Idiots And I Hope U All Burn In Hell With Ur Fag Musik, And If This Offends Anyone Dont Go To The Hospital From Tryin To Kill Urself, Fags

Well that was good for a bit of a laugh.

Well at least it's now a banned joke account.

Kind of odd to sign up for a joke some 5 months prior to doing anything, though.

[QUOTE=DFelon204409]capri - the address is written on a post it at home, and also I am going to rip the CD and give it to you if that doesn't work so chill out.[/QUOTE]

Not to be impatient or anything... But how is either of those coming?


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dude.. what is atreyu considered? i dont even know, but i love them

Metalcore.

my chemical romance is so sick, but has anyone ever heard straylight run, or the postal service? theyre both really emo.

None of those bands are emo. Straylight Run and My Chemical Romance are pop-punk. The Postal Service is electronica.

What are Swing Kids considered to be genre-wise?

I think they are considered hardcore, but they might have been an emo band. Like in the sense of the original "emotional hardcore" defintion.

Emocore in the classic sense.

[QUOTE=iloveatreyu]dude.. what is atreyu considered? i dont even know, but i love them[/QUOTE]

Really, I couldn't tell :rolleyes:

but yeah, like Chris said, they're metalcore, but not in the traditional sense, I mean, they're not true metalcore, i.e. Unearth or Walls of Jericho etc.

Unearth is metal, pal.

True. But I'd still be reluctant to call them metalcore.