right, tool is the band who got me into heavy metal, and so ive put assloads of thught into the meanings of their songs, for eulogy, i alwys thought it had to do with their strong dislike of scientologists and other cult-like orginizations, commenting on the bs they dispense. For stinkfist, i always saw it as opening yourself up to new thought and new ways of thinking about things. My personal favorite song, both because of meaning and jstthe way it sounds, is The Patient from the Lateralus album, although Third Eye, the Salival version, more so than the one from Ænima, is one of my fav's too

That Tool thread at Toolshed is awesome. I've registered there now. I haven't seen that new APC video , and I'm gonna watch after I post this. And I do think Ions is a segueway into Lateralus, considering Tool probably already had ideas for Lateralus back during Aenima. Or took ideas they had during Aenima and extended it into Lateralus. It's all pieces of a puzzle, but I think Tool is really doing a good job of making us think. Even if we don't find the answers, its the questions that made us think this much. And that thread really shows it.

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]I put a few minutes aside to watch APC's new video and hear the song for the first time, and its what i was expecting, which is a bad thing. has anyone else seen it yet? I feel it needs to be discussed, as its one of the first times that Maynard has been imvolved in something that is totaly non subliminal in its message and focused on the issue rather than the music, which is a big let down for me. But Im sure MJK would be the first to say that what he is does not change just because of what we want him to be and stay as.[/QUOTE]

I just watched the new APC video. I wouldn't say I was disappointed, I found it ot be very entertaining. AS Maynard had said it would be. IT was meant for entertainment. Not something serious, like a Tool video. This is one of the first times Maynard has focused on one issue rather than subliminal, but its good nonetheless. I didn't expect to take the video very seriously, as Maynard had said, it was meant for entertainment. So it wasn't much of a disappointment for me. I liked how BUsh appeared in it many times haha. But I would like to hear otehr views on this video. For it is a rather interesting video.

[url]www.thirdkindband.com[/url]

Check these guys out. Closest Tool band that's good I've seen. Kind of a ripoff band though.

yes, this is the same guy that wrote rambled on about tool and the whole thought thing, i made alot of you angry. I'd like to aplogize to anyone who might have been offened by my post. I was just really really angry when i posted and it kind of spilled over. My girlfriend got all angry at me and she was talking about how i need to read between the lines. it was coincdence that i came on and people are talking about hidden meaning and what not. I took your insults in stride and argree with those of you who pointed out my contradictions. i was in no way at all implying that i was superior to any of you. my statement about some of these hard core tool fans that need to come out of there basments, i was just drawing the suggestion that you've spent alot of time thinking of these tools songs, which i have done with little success. i would like to retract those statements as i was really mad at the time. If any of you are reading this and don't know what im talking about don't bother looking up my earlier post cause its not worth reading. I don't know if you'll think this apology is worth it or just wimpy. i'd like to post my thoughts on a song though. Intermission-aenima. i know that there isn't much to it but i think that it relfects violence. i know that the bush administration was not in power when this album was released but i personnally think of this song as a break from the violence and hate that the media magnifies and just enjoy life and/or think about the hate and violence that the media magnifies. Even though i am canadian, i had a uncle die sevring in iraq. I didn't know him at all and didn't even attend his funeral as it was a military style affair in washington so im not going emotional on you cause it didn't have an affect on me. anyway, tool rules bye

Ok. I was told to not Bump an old thread at the "bands similar to TOOL" thread.

So I suppose I`ll post it here then, completly out of context... ;

Talking about TOOL inspired bands - I found this new Norwegian band, and they sound pretty good.
Their homepage is
[url]www.thirdkindband.com[/url]

i think...



2 promosongs on their music page.

c ya, and thanks for your tips. found some kool new bands.

i just read another interestingpage about lateralus and i thought id share it with you since it was pretty interesting so here it is


[url]http://www.bofe.org/overthinking.htm[/url]

[QUOTE=theelburritos]yes, this is the same guy that wrote rambled on about tool and the whole thought thing, i made alot of you angry. I'd like to aplogize to anyone who might have been offened by my post. I was just really really angry when i posted and it kind of spilled over. My girlfriend got all angry at me and she was talking about how i need to read between the lines. it was coincdence that i came on and people are talking about hidden meaning and what not. I took your insults in stride and argree with those of you who pointed out my contradictions. i was in no way at all implying that i was superior to any of you. my statement about some of these hard core tool fans that need to come out of there basments, i was just drawing the suggestion that you've spent alot of time thinking of these tools songs, which i have done with little success. i would like to retract those statements as i was really mad at the time. If any of you are reading this and don't know what im talking about don't bother looking up my earlier post cause its not worth reading. I don't know if you'll think this apology is worth it or just wimpy. i'd like to post my thoughts on a song though. Intermission-aenima. i know that there isn't much to it but i think that it relfects violence. i know that the bush administration was not in power when this album was released but i personnally think of this song as a break from the violence and hate that the media magnifies and just enjoy life and/or think about the hate and violence that the media magnifies. Even though i am canadian, i had a uncle die sevring in iraq. I didn't know him at all and didn't even attend his funeral as it was a military style affair in washington so im not going emotional on you cause it didn't have an affect on me. anyway, tool rules bye[/QUOTE]

I understand. Apology accepted. :chug:

[QUOTE=theelburritos]i'd like to post my thoughts on a song though. Intermission-aenima. i know that there isn't much to it but i think that it relfects violence. i know that the bush administration was not in power when this album was released but i personnally think of this song as a break from the violence and hate that the media magnifies and just enjoy life and/or think about the hate and violence that the media magnifies. [/QUOTE]

First of all, nice to see that we're all happy on here again, apology accepted.

Now for your interpretation, which makes sense to me, especially as it has the riff from Jimmy, which makes the link into it even more effective. This shows how a piece of music that was warm and inviting can change into a darker version of itself, and how you said, its break from the anger and violent nature of Hooker with a *****, which is a song with a lot of agressive overtones, and the ending lyrics of Maynard advertising, something that is seen as the root of a lot of evil.
The equivilanet to modern life is evident if you view it like that, as how people who one minute may seem like a non violent, caring individual, can suddenly turn into a murderous lunatic (to give an extreme example). This does sum up the Bush situation, even though (unles dannys managed to put his faiths to work on time travel) it wasn't wrote with it in mind.

Then again, at the end of the day it could just be someone who wanted to put a track on the album after hearing Jimmy and writing out their own version. But its still great looking deeper into songs even if there was no meaning intended

[QUOTE=Fast Fingers][url]www.thirdkindband.com[/url]

Check these guys out. Closest Tool band that's good I've seen. Kind of a ripoff band though.[/QUOTE]

Obviously inspired by TOOL, but I dont agree in the "ripoff" statement.
I can hear just as much Kyuss, Type`O and Katatonia in their songs.

At least no more ripoff than APC is from TOOL . :D

APC is not a Tool ripoff. Completely different.

Exactly.

Third Kind sounds almost exactly like Tool though. Yelling/singing vocals, simple but powerful guitar. Cool bass lines with an effect on them. Excellent drummer. They sound like Tool. Probably did a lot of Tool covers early on.

anyone heard that gay band earshot whos singer trys to sing like maynard ?

[QUOTE=Fast Fingers]Third Kind sounds almost exactly like Tool though. Yelling/singing vocals, simple but powerful guitar. Cool bass lines with an effect on them. Excellent drummer. They sound like Tool. Probably did a lot of Tool covers early on.[/QUOTE]

Heh, took the words out of my mouth.

It's unfortunate when bad production ruins a song...would it have killed them to put a compressor on those vocals? Jeez...

[QUOTE=STAYGOLDXXX]anyone heard that gay band earshot whos singer trys to sing like maynard ?[/QUOTE]

Ya. I don't like em.

Hey guys, to get this thread back on track....anyone got any theories to the meaning of crimes?

sorry to slightly push it off track but (hate to link tool and apc but i'm figuring there will be fans of apc in here) i started a thread about the new apc record recently announced by MJK and was wondering if anyone has any opinions/comments...if so please don't muck up this beautiful thread...post in mine...i think i called it new apc info or something along those lines...

:thumb:

It's supposed to be a political album. It will suck to high heaven. I'm thinking remixes (have you heard the Pet remix?) which will be relatively cool, but nothing compared to originals.

how come you think it will be so bad??

Im looking forward to the version of 'Imagine', sounds interesting. It is gonna be 50% remixes, and the rest seems to be covers, and possibly one or two new-uns, but still, im not thinking its gonna have much in the way of the last two allbums, as they were wrote with music as the purpose, this albums purpose is to propose a message. (which seems contradicatary from MJK usual 'think for yourself' message IMO)

i was surfing around, again, and found this on the whole Lateralus and fibbonaci sequence theory again.


Some time after Lateralus was released a minor flurry of interpretive activity arose around the album. In particular, Carey told an interviewer about Keenan's remark that the time signatures of the main riff in "Lateralus" (9-8-7) also represented a step in the Fibonacci sequence (the sixteenth step, as it turns out). This led some Tool fans to suggest that the tracks on Lateralus can be listened to in spiral-like orders: 6,7,5,8,4,9,3,10,2,11,1,12,13 ("The Lateralus Prophecy") or 6,7,5,8,4,9,13,1,12,2,11,3,10 ("The Holy Gift"). Both arrangements produce different story-lines for the album.

If no one had noticed, THirteenth Step is a thematic album, every song on the album is about the process of addiction.
Its not necessarily about drugs, but have another listen to the lyrics thinking about the whole theme of addiction: stopping at nothing to get the package; feeling weak and powerless; the self-righteousness of those on the outside; the glories of a rehab centre and the nurse who loved me...
etctec
so this next project will not comprise APC writing purely for the music, since they weren't doing that on the last record anyway.
All my opinion only, but think there's evidence to give this the benefit of the doubt!

Ill be still buying the new album, but although there is always a theme to APC's music, this album from an instrumental point of view sounds a dissapointment. I have never been a big fan of remixes, I prefer music performed in its natural setting. From Maynards view, what few original lyrics there are (cant change much with remixes or covers) seem like they willfocus on the political issue, which is a subject I dont usualkly like to be in music, unless its in its subliminal form like in some Tool/APC songs in the past. (The Grudge, original version of Pet, etc)

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]Im looking forward to the version of 'Imagine', sounds interesting. It is gonna be 50% remixes, and the rest seems to be covers, and possibly one or two new-uns, but still, im not thinking its gonna have much in the way of the last two allbums, as they were wrote with music as the purpose, this albums purpose is to propose a message. (which seems contradicatary from MJK usual 'think for yourself' message IMO)[/QUOTE]

Well I think you're right, that it does contradict MJK's Think For yourself message. But when I was on APC's site, under the news section, Maynard talked about the new Pet remix video. And he put the link fo rit at the end of the post. He typed in caps: THINK FOR YOURSELF. QUESTION AUTHORITY. question authortiy was the link to the pet video. so maybe Maynard is playing a little game with out minds, and might be saying that just cuase we say something doesn't mean its right. Think for yourself and question authority. To me it seems like Maynard's invitation for us to question him. And his views which might or might not be expressed on this new APC album. I dunno, I could be wrong. But thats how I see it.

I think that this new APC album will not be at the top of my list of albums to buy. I need to get some Opeth and In Flames first and Frances the Mute. Then I'll get it.

I still don't see how Maynard or APC at large expressing their opinions could compromise his 'think for yourself' message. They're allowed to think for themselves and express their opinions as well!

[QUOTE=an_underused_memory]I still don't see how Maynard or APC at large expressing their opinions could compromise his 'think for yourself' message. They're allowed to think for themselves and express their opinions as well![/QUOTE]

Very good point. I agree totally. :thumb:

Until last nite i hadn't actually gone and read the message for myself, so now that I have I understand a lil better : In my opinion, APC are expressing their veiwpoint (IE get rid of bush!) but not enforcing it, instead they're asking their audience to exercise their own judgement, get off their *** and vote.
It seems that the main idea is to get people to think for themselves by taking an interest, and question authority by making an informed decision.
Here in AUS we dont have that issue since its compulsory to vote, so i don't fully understand how it works for all you US citizens! :)

Have any of you heard the remix of The Outsiders Remix on the new Resident Evil Apocalypse CD? It's f***ing awesome. I have to say that it is one of the best remixes of a song that I've ever heard. The rest of the CD is pretty good with a lineup of Killswitch Engage, Lacuna Coil, Rammstein, Cradle of Filth, Slipknot, etc.