[QUOTE=franz sanchez]None of their stuff WAS EVER FUNK.

Now this has been established can one of the mods please lock this thread?[/QUOTE]


Do you know what funk sounds like? I guess not, bro. Freaky Styley is a funk album, everyone agrees. Maybe you've never heard it. I suggest you go listen to it before you say they never played funk.

I suggest all of you go listen to some Commodores and Earth, Wind & Fire before you even use the word 'funk'. I agree with most everyone here, though - they used to be funk rock (I suppose you could call it 'pfunk' if you want, with a silent p :P), but in later times their music has evolved into pop rock with funk no longer integral, but still an influence. Then again, haven't heard Silencio.

i wouldnt say RHCP are completely funk (excluding freaky styley) they definatly have funk influences.

The same thing applies to me - I'd love to play funk or Spanish or cool jazz or metal but all those genres just mix and come through at different levels at different times when I play. So I just call myself fusion metal and hope it intimidates people enough that they don't ask questions. :)

[QUOTE]Do you know what funk sounds like? I guess not, bro. Freaky Styley is a funk album, everyone agrees. Maybe you've never heard it. I suggest you go listen to it before you say they never played funk.[/QUOTE]

I would say that YOU have never heard any real funk. If you really believe that RHCP were at one time a band that played funk, then that's your opinion. Maybe you'd best stay down the end of the garden with the fairies you're probably convinced exist.

Meanwhile, have a look at my band's website, listen to some soundclips and then judge whether I know anything about funk or not.

[url]www.speedometer-funk.co.uk[/url]

Let's keep this debate open, I'm starting to enjoy this. I can feel another elconguero vs. cameron baloney war coming.....

Yeah funk influences, but not funk all together.

1.Okay, to the idiot who described recent chilis as pop punk :lol: : find me a single song on by the way that features fast distorted power chords.

2. The reason the chilis are funk and korn aren't despite both having funky bass is the chords john plays.

3. While they don't have a jazzy swing sound they are still kinda jazz because of their improvisational spirit.

4. Finally, F-Styley was funk, no question. Now they're more experimental pop.

They have funk influences but are not funk in the same way that the Talking Heads and Gang of Four are not funk.

Ok, I will give that some of their older stuff was fairly funky, some people may call it funk. But, i've heard a fair bit of their recent stuff, and it is definatley not funk. Saying they are a funk band now is like saying that James Brown is a traditional gospel or motown singer because that's what he did in his early days. Bands and musicians CHANGE. Sure, his current funk style is influenced by motown, gospel, etc(He basicly created funk out of those), but he isn't a motown musician right now. Same with Chili Peppers and funk, sure they may have done it earlier, and they may have influences from what they did, but if anyone with a funk ear listens to what they are doing now, it is not funk.

^Dude, how many people here said that they're still funk today? Almost no one... if not no one... sorry, you're just speaking as though everyone in this thread hasn't realized that.

[QUOTE=franz sanchez]I would say that YOU have never heard any real funk. If you really believe that RHCP were at one time a band that played funk, then that's your opinion. Maybe you'd best stay down the end of the garden with the fairies you're probably convinced exist.

Meanwhile, have a look at my band's website, listen to some soundclips and then judge whether I know anything about funk or not.

[url]www.speedometer-funk.co.uk[/url]

Let's keep this debate open, I'm starting to enjoy this. I can feel another elconguero vs. cameron baloney war coming.....[/QUOTE]


I don't feel like listening to your band but, I'll assume you're a funk expert. But, you're certainly not an expert on RHCP is you say that they were never funk. Freaky Styley is their only album I would say is a funk album. It was produced by George Clinton so, it's not hard to beleive that it was funk. Listen to the album and tell me that I'm wrong.

They went through funk phases, I've heard a little grunge, I have also heard some steps into experimental/prog.

[QUOTE=Tarquin1986]1.Okay, to the idiot who described recent chilis as pop punk :lol: : find me a single song on by the way that features fast distorted power chords.

2. The reason the chilis are funk and korn aren't despite both having funky bass is the chords john plays.

3. While they don't have a jazzy swing sound they are still kinda jazz because of their improvisational spirit.

4. Finally, F-Styley was funk, no question. Now they're more experimental pop.[/QUOTE]
1. you DO know that thats not a defininf feature of punk, right?

2. how so? would you ever classify faith no more as funk? because theyre in the same boat.

3. just because they rely on improv (which i dont see in them very much) doesnt mean theyre jazz. blues relies a lot on improv. so do jam bands. theyre not jazzy.

4. there are clearly questions. otherwise, there wouldnt be this debate.

[QUOTE=fr0zt]I agree, they add funk, metal, and jazz influences to their sound. Their Hillel Slovak albums were more pure funk than anything though. Lately they have been pop-punk. I will keep waiting until they release another Mother's Milk :D[/QUOTE]


they arent pop...i wouldnt calss it anyway.....and john said that he hates mothers milk and BSSM now because he couldnt stand playing with the band at the time.

[QUOTE=C. OSullivan]It is indeed. Check their site if you'd like to.[/QUOTE]
I dont see anything on there?

[QUOTE=KRASH]they arent pop...i wouldnt calss it anyway.....and john said that he hates mothers milk and BSSM now because he couldnt stand playing with the band at the time.[/QUOTE]
not true
john only hates mothers milk because of the producer who told to play in a specific style that he didn't like. John loved playing with the band, only in the tour of BSSM he hated being too famous and he had drugs problems.

[QUOTE=franz sanchez]
Meanwhile, have a look at my band's website, listen to some soundclips and then judge whether I know anything about funk or not.

[url]www.speedometer-funk.co.uk[/url]
[/QUOTE]

:thumb: What do you play?

[QUOTE=KRASH]they arent pop...i wouldnt calss it anyway.....and john said that he hates mothers milk and BSSM now because he couldnt stand playing with the band at the time.[/QUOTE]

Between 1988 (when he joined) and 1992 (when he left), John said that he was happy and couldnt have been happier.

He didnt like his playing on Mother's Milk in RETROSPECT because the producer had him do layered guitar work that he wasn't fond of.

He today is still proud of his playing on BSSM and cites the recording sessions for that album as one of if not the happiest time of his life.

It was when John was touring and not able to be with his girlfriend all the time, when he was getting paranoid from weed, when he was having problems with Anthony, that John left.

I don't need to be an expert of any kind to say that RHCP don't play funk - most of the users of this forum will say that for me.

For some reason, staunch defenders of RHCP get really upset over the fact that the majority of funk collectors/DJs/musicians all agree that RHCP have never played any funk. Do you all REALLY believe that they were once a funk band (they NEVER were) or are you all upset that someone has said that there is something that they (RHCP) are not?

What next - RHCP were once a hip-hop band? Invented dancehall? did a bit of electronica on the side? Was the inspiration for Debussy and Strauss?

I'll stand by it - RHCP are not a funk band, have NEVER played any funk (no matter what some coked up LSD-head past it Doo-wop singer produced), and never will play any funk. If you don't agree, listen to some REAL funk, and play it side by side against RHCP - there are no similarities.


Re- AmericanWeiner: In Speedometer, I play percussion. Laugh all you like, MaxLeighton et al, but I'm the one doing the tour of Japan's Blue Note clubs next month, not you. :-P

[QUOTE=franz sanchez]I don't need to be an expert of any kind to say that RHCP don't play funk - most of the users of this forum will say that for me.

For some reason, staunch defenders of RHCP get really upset over the fact that the majority of funk collectors/DJs/musicians all agree that RHCP have never played any funk. Do you all REALLY believe that they were once a funk band (they NEVER were) or are you all upset that someone has said that there is something that they (RHCP) are not?

What next - RHCP were once a hip-hop band? Invented dancehall? did a bit of electronica on the side? Was the inspiration for Debussy and Strauss?

I'll stand by it - RHCP are not a funk band, have NEVER played any funk (no matter what some coked up LSD-head past it Doo-wop singer produced), and never will play any funk. If you don't agree, listen to some REAL funk, and play it side by side against RHCP - there are no similarities.


Re- AmericanWeiner: In Speedometer, I play percussion. Laugh all you like, MaxLeighton et al, but I'm the one doing the tour of Japan's Blue Note clubs next month, not you. :-P[/QUOTE]

You have obviously have no idea what you are talking about. First of all the band has played many cover of funkadelic and the meters and other funk and only that shows that they are playing funk. Also, Freaky Styley was produced by the funk master himself George Clinton who always said how funky the peppers are. and you go on and listen to the newer cds and they all got some funk in them, and this is coming for a straight funk guy. RHCP are funky. you are reminding me of these 90 year old guys who when they hear jazz now they say its all wrong cause its not played like in the 20s. Well, music has to advance and has to change, if music stayed the same everything would be boring. so just because the Peppers don't play in the same funk style as funkadelic doesn't mean they're not funky. I think the Peppers have a great style of funk rock and they've been influencing many other musicians

how about the rhcp's can't be moled into your genre's because they play their own msuic which is unlike anything else out there which in theory so should every good band. Remember bands get remembered for being different and origional. Most of the musi nowdays is not going to be remembered, stuff like simple plan etc are definately not going to be remembered. Stuff like Faith No More, rhcp and RATM, that is real music that is going to be remembered.
Rhcp's belong in their own genre which of course contains certain influences from these conceived genres, but make their own spin on things and produce amazing music that surpasses many other artists nowdays in musicianship ten fold.

John still likes bssm but he doesn't like the way he acted back then with the relying on drugs but he like the album, the playing of under the bridge at slane is a tribute to this, him sitting on the egde of the stage playing all along until the rest of the band comes along, brilliant.

To the guy above the guy above me, you call them funk rock. Even in their old stuff, it was much more rock than funk, and I know that listening to the newer stuff I've heard, there is no funk in it at all. And, saying that because they cover funk, they are funk is also inane. For example, listen to their cover of Love Roller Coaster by the Ohio Players. That is a classic funk song. The cover is a great example of how NOT to play funk. I can't stand it. It lacks the groove and feel of the original and, in my opinion, sounds terrible, but that's not really relevant. And, you are dead wrong in thinking I think that funk should have stayed the same. I am a huge fan of the modern funk groups that have moved very far. They have just stayed funky.

An interesting point that I have been thinking too has been brought up. The ONLY people who I ever see saying RHCP are funk are fans. I have never seen anyone who dosen't like them say they are funk. Now, I can identify the genres of much music that I don't like and put it into the same category that the fans do. I freely admit that there is much funk that I don't like. But RHCP is not funk. Especially not now.

Just for the record - I think that RHCP are a great band - a great rock band that is. Seen them live a couple of times and enjoyed every minute of it.

As for the comment about not wanting funk to advance? Tosh!! - Poets of Rhythm, Quantic Soul Orchestra, David Holmes - all pushing funk sounds further than the average RHCP diehard fan could comprehend and coming out with some great records. But this isn't that new either - take Hank Shocklee's Son of Bazerk project from around 15 years ago. Marvellous stuff.

'A type of popular music combining elements of jazz, blues, and soul and characterized by syncopated rhythm and a heavy, repetitive bass line.'
Chili Peppers = FUNK ROCK

They are a rock band with funk influences which I say wakes them at some point half funk half rock, probly freaky style. Than on Californiacation and by the way they pretty much dropped the funk except for a few tracks. So as Pete says they are FUNK ROCK.

I'd say that RHCP are more like Funk/Rock, mainly cause of Flea's Slap Bass and Funky Riffs.

I don't like them, but my band's Bassist and Drummer are obsessed w/ them, so I kinda have to do covers.

The RHCP are funky as hell. Period. Some of funkiest white boys to ever lay down a groove. Just ask George Clinton. He'll tell 'ya.

[url]http://images.mweb.co.za/cms/22860/bob_city.mp3[/url]

No, Bed On Bricks are the funkiest white boys to ever lay down a groove. But you wouldn't know because they're South African. Oh well.

More to the point: I recently said this in another thread, but people need to stop saying 'funk' and 'blues' when they mean 'funk rock' and 'blues rock'. There's a difference, people.

[QUOTE=mutant!][url]http://images.mweb.co.za/cms/22860/bob_city.mp3[/url]

No, Bed On Bricks are the funkiest white boys to ever lay down a groove. But you wouldn't know because they're South African. Oh well.

More to the point: I recently said this in another thread, but people need to stop saying 'funk' and 'blues' when they mean 'funk rock' and 'blues rock'. There's a difference, people.[/QUOTE]

What is the difference? Why do we need to split hairs like that? If something is primarily funky, it's funk. I don't care of it has elements of rock in it. I can pick out plenty of RHCP songs that are straight up funk. Just like Bootsy Collins and the boys used to play. It's all good, people. Just let it groove :).

I don't know, man. There's a vast difference between 'Funky Monks' and Horace Silver's tunes.

But yeah, who cares?! I'm anti-labeling anyway. I'll just stop posting now, and just let it groove. \m/ :) \m/

[QUOTE]No, Bed On Bricks are the funkiest white boys to ever lay down a groove. But you wouldn't know because they're South African. Oh well.[/QUOTE]

Sorry mate, but that just is NOT funk either. It's pop/hip-hop if there was such a genre. In fact if anything it's like some of those awful Scandinavian 'we play acid-jazz' clones that we all thought we'd seen the last of in 1995. It goes back to the old argument, just because something is funky, it isn't necessarily FUNK.

You guys really do need to look out for bands like:

New Mastersounds [url]http://www.newmastersounds.com/index.htm[/url]

The Dap-Kings [url]http://www.daptonerecords.com/audio/dap1001-B.mp3[/url]

Mighty Imperials [url]http://www.daptonerecords.com/audio/imp01.mp3[/url]

Reverend Cleatus [url]http://www.reverend-cleatus.com/tracks/6%20Salt%20Popcorn.mp3[/url]

Boogaloo Investigators [url]http://www.boogalooinvestigators.co.uk/03thesedays.m3u[/url]


Pick up the CD "Hot Funky and Sweaty" on the Acid Jazz label to hear more 'proper' funk recorded over the last couple of years.

I'm a huge fan of the peps

I would put them in Alternative Funk, simply because some of their stuff is funk and some is alternative. Their older stuff is much funkier than their newer stuff, eg. Subterranian Homesick Blues and Funky Monks are hugely funky songs, along with I Like Dirt.

no chilli peppers=rock

[QUOTE=Big J]Subterranian Homesick Blues and Funky Monks are hugely funky songs, along with I Like Dirt.[/QUOTE]

You picked the most damaging examples to the arguement that the Chili Peppers did at one time play funk. Especially I Like Dirt.

And as stated, "funky" doesn't constitute "funk."

Funky secks.

why aren't the RHCP threads banned yet? Even though the "OMGOMGOMGOMGRHCP, FUNK????!!!" threads are probably a main source of posters in this forum, its still annoying. it's similar to the "whats a good first [insert instrument]" thread for musicians, boring, samey and obvious. variety, please!

RHCP are mostly rock, with SOME remotely funky songs.

Chili Peppers are filled with funk influence and punk as well. They are a blend and have their own sound which took them ages to define. I would say they are alternative not a funk band even tho there are elements of funk in the their music

They iz the met0l

[QUOTE=DubyaJoe]They iz the met0l[/QUOTE]

umm...

They've got a lot of rock and funk influence. Most of their old stuff I'd consider a fusion of rock and funk, but now most of their stuff is rock.