No, it's from Slip Kid. Still Who By the Numbers though.
[QUOTE]*Achilles brother secret handshake*[/QUOTE]
*Secret Handshakes back*

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[QUOTE=DVG]Zepp is my all time fav band... but seriously.... Moons Drumming is SO much cooler than Bonham.

DVG.[/QUOTE]

- Led Zeppelin is my favorite band too, and yes, i love The Who. But Bonham's dumming skills are alot better than Moon's. Have you seen the solo on "The Song Remains The Same" DVD when they played in Madison Square Gardens in 1976? Now tell me if Moon's drumming can beat that solo.

Have you heard Live at Leeds? Seen the Isle of Wight Dvd? Seen any footage of Moon play? I love Bonham too, and I'm not saying he wasn't great, but Moon's drumming was on a plane much different from any other rock drummers of the time.

Robo: Yea and they are tracks are #1 and 2 I believe, so it's easy to get them mixed up.

Moon wasn't about soloing. He just hit everything in sight. :cool:

/ends Bonham/ Moon debate forever

I haven't listened to The Who By the Numbers for a while. I was close. However Much I Booze is "there ain't no way out."

Great FA to my favorite band. I like how you desribed every album in detail.
I have every one except My Generation- must get soon.

Would all my fellow Who fans [I]please[/I] stop calling it The Who [I]By[/I]The Numbers! It's The Who By Numbers, plain and simple. And it's the most underatted Who album, IMO. Most likely because it came on the heels of three classics. Dreaming from the Waist, However Much I Booze, How Many Friends Have I Really Got, Success Story. All those tracks are steller. And that's not to mention the better known tracks. I think my favorite is The Blue , Red and Gray. When I'm an old man I'll be somewhere on a boat, enjoying life and kicking it in my lounge chair, humming right along with that one.

So far as who are better musicians and from what groups and what not, it really doesn't matter. Bands like The Who have long shown Rock n Roll is more about heart, soul, and [I]balls[/I] then being the best or better musician. If musicianship came into play, I can name literally hundreds of crappy bands with really good musicians in them. Probably most of them. Gimme Townshend and Moon over just about anyone, any day. Because when they play, I can [I]feel[/I] it. In all the right places :thumb:

Great Job!
My username is a reference to the song "The Seeker."

That was awesome

If anyone could upload Behind Blue Eyes, I'd appreciate it. Every version I find is by limp bizkit

The Who is my favorite band. Keith Moon is my hero. I thought you should all know that

That's great, thanks.

Here's a link for all those who are unaware of this site:

[url]http://www.petetownshend.co.uk/[/url]

It's got a great section called "Who TV" that has hours of Who and Who related video played in a loop. Bootleg stuff, old TV tapings, rare concert footage and videos, solo stuff from all the band members. I just saw an 8 minute drum solo from Kieth Moon that had little black kids dancing in the aisles and teenage girls wetting thier panties! It was from an old radio broadcast. Good stuff :thumb:

Just click the Who TV button in the upper right corner on the first page of the site, and the video will begin wherever it may be. Thier is also video and photos of The Who's more recent performances in the members only "The Who" section of the site.

Amazing FA!
The Who are great for sure!

[QUOTE=JohnXDoe]Here's a link for all those who are unaware of this site:

[url]http://www.petetownshend.co.uk/[/url][/QUOTE]

Many thanks! :thumb:

Townshend forgot the lyrics in the first chorus of the acoustic Won't Get Fooled Again :eek:

But the Naked Eye performance made my day!!!

Nicely done Lunch, very extensive and in-depth, that's what we all like to see :thumb:..and I quote "Any thing worth doin' is worth doin' right." Tom Hanks-A League of Their Own.

[quote]Now tell me if Moon's drumming can beat that solo[/quote]

Yesh, but im talking about GROOOooove and funk in the songs themselves, the "Listen to me GOOOo!!" value of Moons drumming is better than Bonham, IMO.

DVG.

[QUOTE=DVG]Yesh, but im talking about GROOOooove and funk in the songs themselves, the "Listen to me GOOOo!!" value of Moons drumming is better than Bonham, IMO.

DVG.[/QUOTE]

True. And Moon never solo'd in The Who because soloing is not what The Who were about. On Who TV at the link I posted earlier thier is a Moon solo performance that really shows well his rythmic drumming style, as you see people in the audience actually [I]grooving[/I] to it, for lack of a better term. And it's impressive technically, as well.

Moon never gets credit for any techical ability in his drumming, but the drumming to Amazing Journey and Sparks is really complicated at parts, especially the timing. And he's got a great touch, being seemingly all over the set but never ruining the song.

The Who at Woodstock: Exerpted from the Dave Marsh Who Biography "Before I Get Old"

"We were more arrogant then nervous before we went on," said Townshend. Pissed off is more like it. Backstage, everything from the Coca-Cola to the coffee was spiked with acid and the band had been flat out tripping against it's will for twelve hours.

When The Who finally took the stage, it was jammed with photographers and the camera crew from the movie Michael Wadleigh was making of the weekends events. Townshend kicked the first camera man he saw (it happened to be Wadleigh, though Pete didn't know it) into the photographers pit, a good ten foot drop. The others scattered like moneychangers from the temple.

The Who were playing Pinball Wizard when Abbie Hoffman, the Yippie [I]provocateur[/I], took the stage and seized a microphone. Hoffman was crazed on LSD and had decided that he must make a speech protesting the ten year sentence of his crony, the White Panther Party leader John Sinclair, for charges of possessing two joints of marijuana. "I think this is a pile of sh[COLOR=WHITE]it[/COLOR] while John Sinclair rots in prison," Hoffman shouted into the microphone.

That was as far as he got. Townshend put one of his Dr. Marten boots squarely into Hoffman's a[COLOR=WHITE]ss[/COLOR], swatted him with his Gibson SG and, as the Yippie fell into the photographers pit, played on. Hoffman screamed unheard curses into the gale of the music, then ran over a hill and out of sight, clear back to Manhattan. Townshend later described kicking Abbie's a[COLOR=White]ss[/COLOR] as "the most political thing I ever did."

The Who played a ragged set, everybody fighting against the drugs, lack of sleep and thier anger that they had been put into such an absurd position in the first place. But as they were finishing, with "We're Not Gonna Take It," Roger's last cries of "See me, feel me, touch me, heal me" echoing over the hills, the sun burst up over the horizon, dazzling the crowd. "It was just incredible," Townshend said. "I really felt we didn't deserve it, in a way." But even if it was a lousy show by The Who's high standards--Daltrey called it "the worst gig we ever played"--it was legendary in the morning.

I love that story :thumb:

Excerpted from Moon: The Life and Death of a Rock Legend. By Tony Fletcher.

That Kieth Moon was the perfect drummer for The Who has never been questioned. Until he joined them The Who had ambition, they had some kind of vision, they had a sizable amount of talent, but the machine was missing an engine. In the Truly Great Band, the sum is always worth more then it's individual parts. But in The Who's case, one is left wondering just how much less than a great band they were before Kieth joined. Half? A quarter? His addition certainly made for an exponential, not equivalent, improvement, and it ought to go without saying The Who could of never become The Who of legend without Kieth Moon, just as the drummer could of never become the Kieth Moon of legend without The Who. The two entities just didn't need each other, they [I]belonged[/I] to each other.

awesome FA lunch. i was listening to quadrophenia last night on vynal, and its really great. a very detailed FA, nicely done. im actually listening to who's next right now, getting in tune. one of the best albums EVER IMO. :thumb:

[QUOTE=LedZeppelin173]awesome FA lunch. i was listening to quadrophenia last night on vynal, and its really great. a very detailed FA, nicely done. im actually listening to who's next right now, getting in tune. one of the best albums EVER IMO. :thumb:[/QUOTE]

Quadrophenia on vinyl is heaven on earth. I have an old Japanese Sony label import copy and much prefer it over my CD/Digital copies. The [I]sound[/I] really comes through full force.

have you guys seen their royal albert hall performance from 2001? johns best bass playing ever.

[QUOTE=PinkFreud]have you guys seen their royal albert hall performance from 2001? johns best bass playing ever.[/QUOTE]

I have that on DVD. It's a good show. And the CD has some bonus tracks. The crowd was a bit lackluster, but perhaps that's because of the event being at RAH and for charity and all. And of course the guest performers. I especially like Paul Wellers bit and Eddie Vedder on Let's See Action. Also Noel Gallagher on guitar for Won't Get Fooled Again. Bryan Adams singing Behind Blue Eyes has me raising my brow a bit, though. And Vedder sounds tight on I'm One. Townshends solo bit is a real highlight for me.

Also check out Live in Boston if you haven't already. No Entwhistle, but Pete does his best to make up for the loss as he plays really aggressively. And brother Simon does an admirable job of filling the space left by John with his rythmn guitar playing. It's a different Who, but still The Who in all thier explosiveness. And Pino Paladino does a servicable enough job on bass.

Anyone have word on a release date for The Who2 album? Are they recording yet? I'm looking forward to it.

I know they are in the studio, don't know an official date yet though.

The Who are the second greatest band of all time behind the Beatles. I love them, and Keith Moon is the greatest drummer ever.

[QUOTE=brittallica]and if you want evidence of this look at the dvds they both performed at the same venues [woodstock isle of wight] these are avaiable and you can see fot yourself

Great band never the less[/QUOTE]
Led Zeppelin didn't perform at either of those.

Awesome man. I read all of it. Should have talked bout their gig at Woodstock more. Didn't they gone on before Jimi Hendrix and played best set ever trying to outdo him? Or so ive heard

[QUOTE=Macdaddy]Awesome man. I read all of it. Should have talked bout their gig at Woodstock more. Didn't they gone on before Jimi Hendrix and played best set ever trying to outdo him? Or so ive heard[/QUOTE]

That was actually at the Monterey Pop Festival. Jimi had been burning his guitar from time to time and as the story goes Pete heard rumor that he also planned to smash it at the festival. So apparently Pete confronted him backstage about stealing The Who's act and Jimi told him where to get off. Pete was a huge Jimi fan at the time and was hurt enough by this to lead the band in a very aggressive set out of anger and insult. Jimi came on and burned his guitar, but apparently did not smash it, as The Who had left the stage in shambles earlier and Jimi knew he couldn't match that display. Although Jimi did in future performances take to shoving his guitar neck through his amp screens and doing a bit of smashing up himself.

If you want to know a bit more about Woodstock and The Who, I posted an excerpt from a book about it above.

[QUOTE=brittallica]okay great work but come on people moon was a fantastic drummer rog and dalt were
good but face it pete is a average guitarist and Hendrix always upstaged the who
as far as them being the best band ever forget about it its the beatles or Led zeppelin
page was better than pete bonham was better then moon and robert well nvm but you get hte point They were a very good band but not the best[/QUOTE]
Pete was not an average guitarist, he was incredibly creative, i dont think your averge joe can innovate and write songs as good as his.

Another thing, you cant go around labeling "best bands ever" but the who where very innovative and influential, more than zeppelin, maybe not the beatles.

Bonham was in no way better than moon, bonham is highly overrated, he will never compare to moon's thundering, dinamic drumming

[QUOTE]Originally posted by [B]JohnXDoe[/B]
[I]The Who were playing Pinball Wizard when Abbie Hoffman, the Yippie provocateur, took the stage and seized a microphone. Hoffman was crazed on LSD and had decided that he must make a speech protesting the ten year sentence of his crony, the White Panther Party leader John Sinclair, for charges of possessing two joints of marijuana. "I think this is a pile of **** while John Sinclair rots in prison," Hoffman shouted into the microphone.

That was as far as he got. Townshend put one of his Dr. Marten boots squarely into Hoffman's ***, swatted him with his Gibson SG and, as the Yippie fell into the photographers pit, played on. Hoffman screamed unheard curses into the gale of the music, then ran over a hill and out of sight, clear back to Manhattan. Townshend later described kicking Abbie's *** as "the most political thing I ever did."[/I][/QUOTE]

But Townshend did later say that he agreed with Hoffman. He was just pissed at being interrupted.

great work lunch. brilliant. it helps that the who are my favourite band.

good work lunch the who are excellent and its good that some people are finally agreeing with the masses!!!

p.s. baba 'o riley = best who song ever!

Baba O Riley Live off of The Kids Are Alright.....gives you goosebumps.

[QUOTE=Quagmire 222]Baba O Riley Live off of The Kids Are Alright.....gives you goosebumps.[/QUOTE]

I tihnk that's the best live version I've ever heard. Although I'm sure thier are some good bootlegs out there. Thier is also a great version on the benefit album "Concerts for the People of Kampuchea" (hope I spelled that right). The Who have four songs on the album and I think perhaps more on a later edition of it.

Speaking of bootlegs, is thier anyone here who has any bootlegs or knowledge of where to get some good ones of the band in concert? I would think with all the shows they've done over the years thier must be some worthy ones circulating.

Daltrey's scream on Won't Get Fooled Again- best moment in music ever. In fact Won't Get Fooled Again on The Kids Are Alright is just ****ing amazing.

the who kick ***

[QUOTE=Uberman]But Townshend did later say that he agreed with Hoffman. He was just pissed at being interrupted.[/QUOTE]

Yeah. Pete has always been a guy of great conscience. I think that's one of the main things that attracts me to his songwriting. I do remember hearing an archived interview with him where he did express regret at handling that situation the way he did, and said he was sorry for it.

But Abbie deserved it nonetheless :smash:

I was watching an interview of Townshend on the Isle of Wright Dvd, and he was says that he always wanted out of the band. If he wanted out he should have just left and broken up the band after Moon died, atleast they would have gone out with a bang instead of fading away like they did.

No one has posted here in the past couple of days and I would hate to see this thread die. So I'm posting another exerpt from the Dave Marsh Who biography "Before I Get Old'. I hope whoever comes by enjoys it and I would like to say I disagree with the very first sentence of this passage, as I think Quadrophenia is the greatest rock album ever. So here goes:


Quadrophenia is not a great rock album (though it has great moments). But it is a marvavelous piece of social criticism, trying to place the public and private history of the 1960's into a context from which something more productive can be built. Townshend understood the sixties, even as they were going on, as both a Golden Decade and a Giant Drag. On Quadrophenia he investigates failure without denying it's success, a perspective that had eluded other scholors of the period.

The Rolling Stones could avoid these issues, because ambiguity and irony were there stock and trade; The Beatles didn't have to deal with them because The Beatles had broken up; Bob Dylan retreated from such subjects by indulgiing himself in pastorialism and domesticity, which implied that everything had been a hoax; The Kinks were never engaged in a way that allowed them to make broad comments, and anyway, Ray Davies was nostalgic from the start. There was nothing the least bit incongruous to him about looking over ones shoulder at the pop past.

But The Who were moralists. From the very beginning, they assumed the duty of describing what was right and wrong with the world that rock inhabited and helped create. That's what Townshend meant when he said of Quadrophenia, "It could of been written in a simple song like My Generation, [I]if[/I] I could still write a song like My generation in 1973". In a way, Quadrophenia is that song ---- or proof that no one could write it, since the topics Townshend wanted to write about were now too diffuse, complex and contradictory to allow moralistic resolutions. But nothing could stop him from trying.

"There's an incredible set of paradoxes surrounding the whole generation," Pete said. "At one moment they can go on a Ban the Bomb march, and the next moment they're pouring LSD into thier heads. We'd stood onstage and watched it go past in the audience. It's an observation made from the stage, as if we were in a cage. You're being looked at, but you're also in the position of observation".

"However far down we go as individuals," Townshend wrote of Quadrophenia, "there will always be rent to pay, so always an audience. When there's an audience, there's salvation. Mixed up in Quadrophenia is a study of the devine desperation that is at the root of every punks scream for blood and vengeance".


[B]What have I seen, where have I been? Nothing is planned by the sea and the sand - PT[/B]

[QUOTE=White_heat]Pete was not an average guitarist, he was incredibly creative, i dont think your averge joe can innovate and write songs as good as his.

Another thing, you cant go around labeling "best bands ever" but the who where very innovative and influential, more than zeppelin, maybe not the beatles.

Bonham was in no way better than moon, bonham is highly overrated, he will never compare to moon's thundering, dinamic drumming[/QUOTE]

I totally agree. I really like Pete's guitar playing, he's one of my favorites