Wait, wasn't I the vet on that one?

[QUOTE=A_Perfect_Sonnet]Wait, wasn't I the vet on that one?[/QUOTE]
Or maybe Scarred4Life?

Okay whatever.

[QUOTE=RunAmokRampant]whats so good about being a "vet" anyway? Most of the time all I hear is them whinging about how good the forums used to be and now they suck. Its like hearing an old man whinging about the "back in my day" bull****.[/QUOTE]


So true .... Like the time I caught the ferry over to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for my shoe. So, I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days nickels had pictures of bumblebees on them. 'Give me five bees for a quarter', you'd say. Now, where were we? Oh, yeah...the important thing was that I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn't have white onions because of the war; the only thing you could get was those big yellow ones

Who gives a f.uck about vets, ok they might be more respected but their opinion shouldn't be more important. i've been performing music ranging from classical to death metal for a longer time than most of you, i have worked with large bands such as Within Temptation, Sikth and Skindred and i am Hampshire musician of the year for 3 years running and i am concidered to be one of Hampshires TOP bassists. I've got a grade 8 certificate in bass, cello, piano, grade 6 for guitar and percussion i have a grade 5 music theory certificate, a GCSE in Music, Music technology and performing arts. My first big performance was when i was eight and have 20 sold out gigs on my name since i was 16, SO F.UCKING WHAT THAT DOESN'T MAKE ME MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANYONE ELSE.
I think corupt's entry was very good, it had a lot of meaning to it, he deserved winning the challenge. Bloody conservatives piss me off, THINGS ARE NOT LIKE THE OLD DAYS so live with it.

I'm as liberal as you get and I didn't like Corrupt's piece. I think the best days were when we lived in caves, those were the days.

Anyways, that list of achievements has nothing to do with knowledge of lyrics, so it really is irrelevant in this case. DFelon is respected because he is very knowledgeable. Vets usually are more knowledgeable because if you hang out here long enough you'd have to be a moron not to learn. People like Blockhead prove it is possible though. You can have all the experience you do and still learn tons from vets because they earn that status due to their knowledge and from being around a long time. I respect most people who are referred to as vets because they usually earn that status. At the same time it can cause an elitism, but there are reasons they are vets, and it's not just join date.

i fully agree mate even vets learn a lot, and i've got a s'hitload to learn (i'm going to see Brian May soon for some lessons really excited), but lyrics is something you can't really critisize on except for when you actually know what the authors aim is.

What i was saying was that it doesn't matter how good someone is, their opinion is just as important as someone who is not as good.
in the argument above it seems to be that everyone is inferior to the 'vets' maybe in skill but theyr opinion couints just as much as like me or Mr. Hankie.
Its the idea of democracy

Yea, interesting point zepp...some ppl just look at the join date and say pfff n00b and automatically give no respect. I'm as vet as it gets in this forum but not under this name. But I tell you what, the attitude in the crits I got, using the same writing, sure changed when I post under 6945 instead of XXXXX.

[QUOTE=6945]Yea, interesting point zepp...some ppl just look at the join date and say pfff n00b and automatically give no respect. I'm as vet as it gets in this forum but not under this name. But I tell you what, the attitude in the crits I got, using the same writing, sure changed when I post under 6945 instead of XXXXX.[/QUOTE]
Hmm...well that's what it is to me at least, I do realize some people are not mature enough to employ that, but I believe I do, and I have no problem with a n00b winning.

Necroses: I can only agree with you to an extent. Many n00bs wouldn't know good writing if it slapped them in the face. Read half the comments in S&L proper if you disagree. Usually the Vets are more immune to this because the knowledge of what makes it good is there. Liking writing is subjective, but this contest is about good writing as well as what you like, and it's important to blend the two in your critique. I also have to disagree when you say you can't critique lyrics without knowing the author's aim. That to me is entirely false. There are lyrical attributes which you can judge without knowing the author's aim. I also won't lie, I respect the views of the vets more than of the n00bs here. It's a matter of experience really. They have seen more and I believe they have a better grasp of what makes good writing. You can disagree but I do value high rankings by vets more than I do by n00bs.

[QUOTE=DFelon204409]See, you're in a lyrical challenge section. I've won this thing many times, I'm currently taking poetry class from a revered American poet, and I'm published in a poetry anthology. This speaks to why my opinion is respected here. It's not just because I've been here since 2001.[/QUOTE]
If you're opinion counts more, then at least justify it
I'm not denying skill at all, i really enjoyed reading you work but i just got the impression that what the more recent members (like me) thought of something didn't count because the vets said something else.
but i think you'll find that at one point you might actually learn something of a 'noob' its in everyones riht to express theyr opinion and they should be getting lair because of that.
I'm here to learn and really wouldn't even think of giving you advice on the subject of poetry, but looking at the work of a noob or someone without the experience you got might actually slightly change the way you look at things.

i'm talking about simple things like i found out not that long ago that leaving the lead in a guitar with humbuckers drains the batteries. Its a bit of an off topic example but it should do.

[QUOTE=zeppelinfan2k3] also have to disagree when you say you can't critique lyrics without knowing the author's aim. That to me is entirely false[/QUOTE]
do the words 'modern art' tell u anything, it kind of involves bending the rules and create something new

*gets bowl of popcorn, sits infront of computer*

...Ah internet fights, I love watching these...














and your thinking, **** noob, aren't you!

[QUOTE=Necroses-bass]
do the words 'modern art' tell u anything, it kind of involves bending the rules and create something new[/QUOTE]
Most modern art is terrible and only called art because people act pretentious and give it meanings that aren't even there.

Wow, you guys are really taking this whole veterans vs. new people thing to an extreme. I was just joshin' with you when I talked about wanting to be recognized as a vet. I could honestly care less about a title.

And what's the deal with rambling on about all of your achievements? I guess I just don't get why being ranked well as a guitarist/percussionist or being published in a poetry anthology is all that important. Soooo........good for you guys?

But in all honesty, there are people I respect on this forum more than others. Is it because they're vets? Perhaps. Or it could be that they are great writers, and that's what really counts anyways. And generally speaking, the vets are usually more talented than the new people. It's just how it goes. People get better the longer they write. Some of the new people are fantastic writers and might be better than a lot of the vets, but that's a rare case.

So I guess what I'm trying to say is this: Don't f[I]u[/I]ck a virgin just to say you broke a hymen..........

I can actually see no point to the back and forth arguing going on. To be honest, who gives a sh it. And just out of curiosity, why the name vet? I can think of about 20 names/titles to give an expierenced song writer/poet that sound cooler than that.

[QUOTE=Necroses-bass]
but i think you'll find that at one point you might actually learn something of a 'noob' its in everyones riht to express theyr opinion and they should be getting [b]laid[/b] because of that. [/quote]

No, you cannot get laid on the interweb. :p
[quote]
I'm here to learn and really wouldn't even think of giving you advice on the subject of poetry, but looking at the work of a noob or someone without the experience you got might actually slightly change the way you look at things.
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UBC believes that lyrics and libretto are poetry if there is no music associated with it. When you crit here, its, for the most part, critting poetry.
You're right though. Its better if you look at the pieces as separate from the writer. Most pieces will reflect the experience but still.
Personally, I'd value the opinions of someone who I think writes well than someone who's starting out but that isnt really a statement on whose opinion is more valid.
You wont be considered a noob after awhile and then you can talk about how good it was back in the day. Its all good.

the other thing that pisses me off is that a lot of people tend to forget that they had to start at some point

I agree with DD.

Super_D has not been here for a long time, but she is considered a vet because she is a good writer and also knows good writing.

Necroses-bass, being in Cradle of Filth PT. 2 does not make you an intelligent person. K?

[QUOTE=DFelon204409]See, you're in a lyrical challenge section. I've won this thing many times, I'm currently taking poetry class from a revered American poet, and I'm published in a poetry anthology. This speaks to why my opinion is respected here. It's not just because I've been here since 2001.[/QUOTE]
I've had 4 poems put on tracks in "Sound of Poetry" and 3 Editor's Choice Awards and have had nearly all my poems published in anthology's all from poetry.com
yet my writing sucks obviously shows how much you know
anyways I don't wanna start an argument agian I just wanted to throw in my references since you were bragging about yours :thumb:

[QUOTE=Disco Dragon]
But in all honesty, there are people I respect on this forum more than others. Is it because they're vets? Perhaps. Or it could be that they are great writers, and that's what really counts anyways. And generally speaking, the vets are usually more talented than the new people. It's just how it goes. People get better the longer they write. Some of the new people are fantastic writers and might be better than a lot of the vets, but that's a rare case.
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I totally agree with this

[QUOTE=DFelon204409]I'm currently taking poetry class from a revered American poet, .[/QUOTE]

Now you're talking. I'd be interested in hearing about what you've learned...without having to help with your tuition of course!

Just out of curiousity, who is this revered American poet you're taking classes from?

new subject, I'm kinda confused at something. SOmeone last contest reminded me that you can't put insong notes (like instramental, etc) but then some people I have seen use the word chorus, etc.

Exactly what can and can you not put in a song...

thanks...

The basic idea of the challege is to have the lyrics stand on their own merit. Some ppl use to put tabs, chords & other musical discriptions. There's never been a problem with labeling verses or chorus but we've always tried to stay away from discriptive musical references.

I just think it's kinda funny you had to be tutored to get punblished lol
[/sarcasm]
ok you know that was funny from my position ;)
nah but good for you taking classes that would definitely be a great opportunity broadening your writing history and a learning new techniques and such :thumb:

[QUOTE=Rushfan2112]new subject, I'm kinda confused at something. SOmeone last contest reminded me that you can't put insong notes (like instramental, etc) but then some people I have seen use the word chorus, etc.

Exactly what can and can you not put in a song...

thanks...[/QUOTE]

Yeah listen to BBB man, he knows his stuff.

In general if something is meant to be sung differently or spoken or something like that, try putting that alternate section in italics. It sort of neatens it up and gives a clear impression that that section is meant to be ifferent.

[QUOTE=Rushfan2112]new subject, I'm kinda confused at something. SOmeone last contest reminded me that you can't put insong notes (like instramental, etc) but then some people I have seen use the word chorus, etc.

Exactly what can and can you not put in a song...

thanks...[/QUOTE]

Chorus applies to the lyrics as well, stuff like guitar solo and interlude do not.

Pixies, what did u mean with Being Cradle of Filth Pt2?

Just a question, Am i actuallt the only european on this forum?

Dirty fu[b][i][/b][/i]cking Vets..xxx Think they're so good..xxx I'll show them..xxx

Oh yeah. On the topic of "oooohhhh look at me, I'm so wonderfull but I'm being modest, so really I'm even more amazingly wonderfully amazingly wonderfull at lyrics" and qualifications and all that - I am a master of karate, kung fu and drunken streetfighting as well as a skilled house of cards creator, and I've been playing bass and guitar ever since I've been available for embryonic stem cell research so I must be the greatest lyricist ever.

Oh yeah.

And fu[b][i][/b][/i]ck those Vets, fu[b][i][/b][/i]ck those dirty fu[b][i][/b][/i]cking vets. Stupid animal lovers... why don't you go and learn to be a real doctor instead of a pachyderm **** lover.

[QUOTE=jurialmunkey]

Oh yeah. On the topic of "oooohhhh look at me, I'm so wonderfull but I'm being modest, so really I'm even more amazingly wonderfully amazingly wonderfull at lyrics" and qualifications and all that - I am a master of karate, kung fu and drunken streetfighting as well as a skilled house of cards creator, and I've been playing bass and guitar ever since I've been available for embryonic stem cell research so I must be the greatest lyricist ever.
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You're just jealous that I was an immaculate conception.

[QUOTE=super deluxe]You're just jealous that I was an immaculate conception.[/QUOTE]

Actually, I was more envious over your relations with the pope shortly after his death.

[QUOTE=jurialmunkey]Actually, I was more envious over your relations with the pope shortly after his death.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, you got stuck with the sloppy seconds.

[QUOTE=jurialmunkey]
drunken streetfighting
[/QUOTE]
lol we have something in common :thumb:
:chug:

[QUOTE=jurialmunkey]Dirty fu[b][i][/b][/i]cking Vets..xxx Think they're so good..xxx I'll show them..xxx

Oh yeah. On the topic of "oooohhhh look at me, I'm so wonderfull but I'm being modest, so really I'm even more amazingly wonderfully amazingly wonderfull at lyrics" and qualifications and all that - I am a master of karate, kung fu and drunken streetfighting as well as a skilled house of cards creator, and I've been playing bass and guitar ever since I've been available for embryonic stem cell research so I must be the greatest lyricist ever.

Oh yeah.

And fu[b][i][/b][/i]ck those Vets, fu[b][i][/b][/i]ck those dirty fu[b][i][/b][/i]cking vets. Stupid animal lovers... why don't you go and learn to be a real doctor instead of a pachyderm **** lover.[/QUOTE]
Oddly enough I consider you a vet :p

(P.S. DO you really have fourth degree black belts in karate and kung fu?)

[QUOTE=zeppelinfan2k3](P.S. DO you really have fourth degree black belts in karate and kung fu?)[/QUOTE]

No. :(

I did do karate when I was six though.






Twice.

[QUOTE=jurialmunkey]No. :(

I did do karate when I was six though.






Twice.[/QUOTE]

I did that, too! Only I quit when I found out there wasn't a pink belt.

[QUOTE=jurialmunkey]No. :(

I did do karate when I was six though.

Twice.[/QUOTE]
Oh. Shoot I actually would have been really impressed since the youngest master we had at my school was something like 18 and you aren't that much older right?

[quote=super deluxe]I did that, too! Only I quit when I found out there wasn't a pink belt.[/quote]

Yeah, I quit when I found out that I wasn't actually allowed to wear any colour belt I liked. Whats the point in doing karate if you can't say that you have a black belt?! :eek: :rolleyes:


[QUOTE=zeppelinfan2k3]Oh. Shoot I actually would have been really impressed since the youngest master we had at my school was something like 18 and you aren't that much older right?[/QUOTE]

I don't know, I'm pretty old... I mean, I'm the oldest I've ever been right now.

[QUOTE=jurialmunkey]Yeah, I quit when I found out that I wasn't actually allowed to wear any colour belt I liked. Whats the point in doing karate if you can't say that you have a black belt?! :eek: :rolleyes:

I don't know, I'm pretty old... I mean, I'm the oldest I've ever been right now.[/QUOTE]
Doing it until you can say that :p (is one)

That's true...
...

[QUOTE=zeppelinfan2k3]Doing it until you can say that :p (is one)
...[/QUOTE]

That's not a point for doing karate.


That's boring.



Anyway... I want to do ninjitsu so I can be a ninja, not karate to be a carrot. I just want to run up walls and fly and turn invisible and stuff... I've got plenty of black belts at home... and they're made of real leather, not that cotton crap.

[QUOTE=jurialmunkey]That's not a point for doing karate.

That's boring.

Anyway... I want to do ninjitsu so I can be a ninja, not karate to be a carrot. I just want to run up walls and fly and turn invisible and stuff... I've got plenty of black belts at home... and they're made of real leather, not that cotton crap.[/QUOTE]
:lol: Anyways I still do it because I love it, though I don't study karate per se, but a variety of things ranging from old Samurai swordsmanship to Pankration. I do like my lame cotton black belt though :)