[QUOTE=DFelon204409]Tptal;;y. This talk is gettin stale. Let's rejuviatevate it. Go!!! No seriously. Rejuvenuation is neat.[/QUOTE]

Not as neat as Bananas in Pajamas. And that's a scientific fact.

Bananas in pajamas, are coming down the stairs...

Great, now that song is kind of stuck in my head, except I don't know the words, so it's just repeating the first 2 lines.

[QUOTE=Rushfan2112]I can almost relate, APS, my guitarist and I(drummer/lyrics) have been loking for a right bassist and rhythm guitar and singer and keyboardist (maybe someone somewhere can double up?!) for almost a year now. We can't find anyone with enough skill, dedication, or a mix of both that we like....

its like impossible to find a good player round these parts our age...[/QUOTE]


Having good musicians in your band is important but its more important to find someone you can work with.

TIP: Do not try and start off with something terribly complicated stick to simple things and make them more complex as you get better alone and as a group.
You're a drummer don't try to show off (which is a thing drummers tend to do) using complex rhythm will make the bassists job harder which will also make the singers job harder.

Finding a vocalist, try and find a good one that writes lyrics as well, the vocalist will perform better when singing own lyrics, this has to do with the emotion put into the singing

Bassists also would love to show off with the speed of the fret hand, for a bassist its more important to get the rhythm right than the notes right.

Rhythm guitarist, find one with a unique sound this will make simple things interesting.

Its easy to find a good keyboard player, most of the can play Beethoven so dont worry about skill, of course you cant pick anyone of the street and ask him if hey wants to play keys in your band but you need someone with decent kit and a nice synth, this will beef up your sound or make it really soft and melodic.
with a kayboard player you can use polyphony in your band when you've advanced a bit.

Also a second vocalist is a very good idea but make sure it is the keyboard player or a guitarist because rhythm and vocals is on of the hardest combo's there are not many people that can unless you get a female bassist they can multitask (lol)

also last advice: make sure you have access to a big amp or PA system for the vocalist, if the vocalist can't hear him-/herself it will be out and it will sound bad and damage the vocal chords, and inadequate amps will blow by using a mic.

good luck these are things i found which helped me a lot, I'm the singer in a gothic death metal band we'll have a site up soon with mp3's on it.

again Good luck finding the members.

Very last bit of advice remove the words Instrumental section from your entry its stated in the rules that musical guidelines are not allowed

So........... what do you call a gay dinosaur?

A tyranna-sore-***.

It seems overdone. I'll give it a D+, your delivery could've been better.

"You're a drummer don't try to show off (which is a thing drummers tend to do"
Well hmph! I've never been so insulted. lol

"Finding a vocalist, try and find a good one that writes lyrics as well" I think we've decided, ever since the beginning, that I get to do the lyrics...just a general rule my guitarist and I came up with, he writes the music, I write lyrics, the other people are there to play what we write...We figure the spirit of the songer will but just as good as a song that is covered...he didn't write those lyrics, but he can still sing them with passion.

AS far as the other stuff, it's all around almost exactly what I've been goin for, but we just can't find anybody...

I mean, we are looking for skill and personality thats workable, not one more than the other. We just can't find anyone...

"Very last bit of advice remove the words Instrumental section from your entry its stated in the rules that musical guidelines are not allowed"

Thanks a bunch on that one, i Dont remember seeing the thing about guidelines...and typically when I write something I put those things in just as kinda a reference as to where I am in the song...thanks a million and two-thirds there!

And thanks for the advice as well, anything helps at the stage were at...and that definatly will do some good, Ill gather my guitarist and have him read that post...

dude if the vocalist sing his own lyrics life will be easier, trust me, i'm a vocalist myself and find its easier using my own lyrics. normally u choose to cover a certain song which really fits you. and if you write something and get the rest to play it its not a gd idea, the rest will get bored of it after a while, it restricts artistic freedom. but its all up to u

well i mean, if they come up with ideas, we'll obviously hear them out, but as far as the leading creativity, its me and him...

as far as the singer thing goes, i don't really buy it, i know plenty of good bands that their singer didn't write the lyrics too...however I am (by no means!) a singer. I sound like, well, lets not go there, but it isnt good...

where'd that come from..?
funny though..

[QUOTE=Rushfan2112]well i mean, if they come up with ideas, we'll obviously hear them out, but as far as the leading creativity, its me and him...

as far as the singer thing goes, i don't really buy it, i know plenty of good bands that their singer didn't write the lyrics too...however I am (by no means!) a singer. I sound like, well, lets not go there, but it isnt good...[/QUOTE]

if you write the lyrics have sum private time with the vocalist and really explain what effect youre trying to reach and what techniques u want him/her to use.

And about the leading creativity watch out with that it can really piss off the other band members, which is the case with my band, our new guitarist doesn't seem to understand the idea of gothic and has a really old skool approach. He does have amazing ideas though which i use a lot in my music.

Btw what style do u play (wrong question to ask since most bands dont want to fit in a specific scene anymore). so change of words, who are your influences.

Well, our influences kinda vary, me, being drummer and lyricist, have influences in Rush...Neil Peart has like, the perfect job back there...other bands I like are Styx, Boston, Scorpion...but we don't sound at all like Styx or Boston...

My guitarist has influces more in the sounds of our band....Sabbath, Floyd, Zepellin....

Though, a two piece isn't nearly as good as those bands obviously!

And as far as a conversation with the singer, yeah, I've already figured I'd need to do something like that when we get a singer. WE used to have a guy who said he would sing (he didn't), and I used to explain to him verse for verse what my lyrics meant...

Lyrics for me are a stress releiver when I write them, and a very important part of my contribution to the band...If I couldn't write those I just wouldn't feel I was giving the same contribution

and as far as the creativity department in our music, I don't write the music, so I really can't say if anything will change when we add more members. But they can have creative freedom just like him and I, I imagine...no restrictions or anything, just as a primary songwriter, it's my guitarist....yeah....

If your vocalist or other members of your band want to help write lyrics, work with them, that way it becomes a bonding experience and will (cheesy, I know) bring you guys closer together as a group. A happier band plays better together.

"idea of gothic"

omg teh gohts R heer!

Youz guyz and your "BANDS"... Crack me up. I'm not laughing at you...just laughing. Do you put as much energy into school?

[QUOTE=Bigbadbob]Youz guyz and your "BANDS"... Crack me up. I'm not laughing at you...just laughing. Do you put as much energy into school?[/QUOTE]

Yeah, probably a little more. Though I prefer music.

[QUOTE=DFelon204409]BBB, don't trash DRACULACORE. We're possibly the greatest thing ever to come out of music in the past forever.[/QUOTE]

I LOVE YOU GUYZ!!!

[QUOTE=DFelon204409]BBB, don't trash DRACULACORE. We're possibly the greatest thing ever to come out of music in the past forever.[/QUOTE]

I believe it. With those haircuts and matching vests...youz guyz rule!!!

draculacore??? what the f.uck???

necroses-bass
did common sense fail you or just humor?
or both?
word

DFelon or Joshmay can you lock the king's posted songs they keep getting bumped and he's been banned and the people here are just retarded and it's getting on me and APS's nerves
lol I appreciate ya :thumb:

nevermind seems he has been unbanned

[QUOTE=Corupt2057]nevermind seems he has been unbanned[/QUOTE]
I reported him and another guy in site, but, of course, no one reads that thread :-/

interesting music but not my thing, prefer European Gothic
Dude listen to this u might like it its a little band from my area (Hampshire, England)calles MFKZT, they use drum Machines but its noisy :D
[url]http://www.mfkzt.co.uk/[/url]
By the way its pronounced Muf-Ku-Zit

[QUOTE=DFelon204409]I'll ban him later. I just got my computer back and it came just in time to write 2 essays, study for 2 tests, and do a problem set, all due tomorrow.[/QUOTE]
/knows how that goes
/is in college too

I don't exactly follow, mine lacks any flow whatsoever until the end, at least in my mind... It's probably because I tried to put music to it and couldn't. Just doesn't work acoustically :upset:.

[QUOTE=DFelon204409]Why does everybody have such a huge boner for flow this time around. How can you understand flow unless it purposefully rhymes. Have you ever heard how Circle Takes the Square puts lyrics to music. It's straight poetry to music. No attention to flow. They make it work because they're that cool. It's about content more than structure.[/QUOTE]
I always do :p Read any crit I ever have written, if it's not flowy I bitch about it. I also hate CTTS.

crap...I wrote it, edited it, and accidentally took out the word. oops. my bad.

So if you read way back youll find a conversation between rushfan and sonnet...............
im the guitarist for rushfan and yeah, were still looking for a singer. Rushfan does the lyrics cause its hard as hell finding someone who can write and sing more or less just someone who can sing.
and to the kid who thinks our only obsession is music and we dont do anything in school. No, its not. Ive got a 4.0 and rushfan is quite the intelligent being. Thats part of the reason we'e better at compiling music than most people and why we are haveing trouble finding a singer (most people of the higher intelligence cant sing, and if they can, theyre goth)
sonnet, thanks for your help we appriciat.
no offence to goths but goths arent as unique as you say you are. All of you are exactly the same in trying to be different.
In reference to our stye, were as close to 80s sound as we can get. Its a combination of sabbath/Ozzy sound, rush lyrical rythm, and a little of our own. No extreme amount of keyboard and were trying to put more bass into it.
any suggestions on how to find a good basist or how to get a more pink floydish sound?

I'm not a fan of Pink Floyd... find a good bassist by putting ads up in music stores and in the classifieds and stuff. It works.

[QUOTE=TheEvilErk2008]
no offence to goths but goths arent as unique as you say you are. All of you are exactly the same in trying to be different.
[/QUOTE]


Goth is about the search for a different personality, not to be different thats more punk. 'Goths' that say its about being different haven't got a clue what they're on about really, Yes I am saying Gothic is fading.
Gothic comes from ideas during the gothic era (Europe 1800's), The idea is derived from novels like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, Dracula, Frankenstein and all them GOTHIC horror stories.

About the bassist part, as i said to Rushfan, find a bassist with rhythm, not a fast left hand, both would be ideal but hard to find. I play bass myself and pretty advanced (grade 8, English standard, dunno if that means anything to you) but I still find it hard to keep up with the beat when i'm tapping it so really you wanna look at rhythm and not what physical techniques he/she can use and that kinda ****.

I've had my say, good bye and have a nice day....

Hmm...actually the Gothic was an extension of the Romantic period and dealt with embracing emotions, but in the case of the gothic, the darker and more morbid ones.

poop.

Do any of you guys realize how dumb you sound when you try to define a certain type of personality. By giving "gothic" or "punk" a single, definitive definition, you're basically saying that you have to conform to that prototype to be considered different. Doesn't really make much sense, does it?

[QUOTE=Disco Dragon]Do any of you guys realize how dumb you sound when you try to define a certain type of personality. By giving "gothic" or "punk" a single, definitive definition, you're basically saying that you have to conform to that prototype to be considered different. Doesn't really make much sense, does it?[/QUOTE]
Gothic kids aren't Gothic. You can define real Gothicism because it originated a few hundred years ago as an art movement. Punk is also definable, but only as something going against the norm. Nothing is the same, so how can you define anything?

You can define individual people. That's always fun.

you can't define a certain styles, but they are just the ideas behind them. And gothic is a very wide sense it can be found in music, art, Literature and drama.
The Gothic zeppelinfan is talking about can be found in music,
Fashion and Art relates back to the Pagans (which were not satanists)
Gothic is indeed something you cant describe in one sentence.

[QUOTE=DFelon204409]Well that's because you're retarded. To cater to your musical tastes when Robert Plant goes "Awww ahhhh awww ahhhhh" on Black Dog that sure as hell flows but it is just him making noises. It's not lyrical. Too bad Zeppelin's lyrics suck. Thank god for that riffing.[/QUOTE]
...because liking zeppelin makes me a fanboy and means I don't like good music...

I'm still amazed by the stupidity I encounter sometimes.

[QUOTE=DFelon204409]Well that's because you're retarded. To cater to your musical tastes when Robert Plant goes "Awww ahhhh awww ahhhhh" on Black Dog that sure as hell flows but it is just him making noises. It's not lyrical. Too bad Zeppelin's lyrics suck. Thank god for that riffing.[/QUOTE]

Disagree lyrics are always gd as long as they're used for the right thing,

The lyrics for stairway are not bad, as long as you know that Robert Plant is on about heroine

i agree that you cant define goths, but to say you are one is a huge leap. I get tired of seeing all these kids dressing up like vampires and acting like there is no hope in life, but they have nothing to complain about. But mostly i was refering to the musical standpoint of gothism. any time i hear it, it just makes you want to go and kill yourself cause they complain so much. And then all those frekin posers go and start blaring the music just so they can fit in with a click. im a fan of good apocolyptic themes,(such as By the Waters of Babylon, a great short story) but every other song? is gets a bit dolt and old.
If yall want to stand out, do it through hard work and skill, not through emphasizing depressing characteristics of everyday life.

Thanks for the suggestions on bass. We're new to this so we want to stay local, and local doesnt have any music stores. you would think there would be a couple of kids in an entire school of 1000 who could play bass, but none do. all of them brag about how theyre guitar players, yet many of them couldnt even play with a simple 4 beat on the drums. Next year we'll ask around the new kids and in the mean time check out the talent show.