Naked City live with Mike Patton on vocals. Simply amazing, and yes, jazzcore. I only have a few bootlegs, of some shows between 1991 and 1992, and they sound very good.

ps - i wouldnt call Dillinger Escape Plan jazzcore. I think that would be too streched.

[QUOTE=wefles]what would be the best Ephel Duath song for me to download?

And does anyone know where i can download some upsilion acrux, the link that was already posted wont work.[/QUOTE]

Just don't download anything from Ephel's first album, its awful. Recommended: The Passage, Praha, Ironical Communion, The Other's Touch.

On another note, Farmakon = funkcore?

[QUOTE=The Krabsman]I cry to hear of my beloved jazz ruined with metal.[/QUOTE]
Now now, both jazz and metal are pillars of musical achievement (forget nu-metal though). Both incredibly skilled genres.

[QUOTE=cicatriz]does 'blues-core' exist? that would be quite interesting.[/QUOTE]

Designer Babies are everything-core.

[QUOTE=wefles]what would be the best Ephel Duath song for me to download?

And does anyone know where i can download some upsilion acrux, the link that was already posted wont work.[/QUOTE]

'The Passge'

[QUOTE=br3ad_man]'The Passge'[/QUOTE]

I saw Ephel Duath supporting dillinger escape plan both kicked *** but i was more sober during ED and they ruled,i suggest the unpoetic circle to download the trumpet on the passage takes some getting used to.

[quote=DFelon204409]...I had heard in the song "43% Burnt" by Dillinger Escape Plan. The augmented chords and tritones used on that song were easily transposed for use on the Musillami song (which I think was called "Swedish Fish." Is it just coincidence that a math metal band and a jazz band can come from the same theoretical backbone but execute their riffs in totally different genres? No. It's because both are founded in a sort of intellectualized approach to jazz theory that manifests in two strikingly different genres. Just because none of [I]you[/I] hear it doesn't mean it isn't there.[/quote]

Exactly!! :)

[QUOTE=BassCozzy]I saw Ephel Duath supporting dillinger escape plan both kicked *** but i was more sober during ED and they ruled,i suggest the unpoetic circle to download the trumpet on the passage takes some getting used to.[/QUOTE]

But the trumpet on that song is also really really cool. I would really really love to see Ephel Duath live. I can think of very few things that would kick more arse.

would later black flag stuff like the intrumental album be considered jazzcore?

ED's new album is gobsmacking.

[QUOTE=sub-bass]would later black flag stuff like the intrumental album be considered jazzcore?[/QUOTE]
Hmm, good point. [I]The Process of Weeding Out[/I] is very Jazzy....

[QUOTE=KuroTheBassist]ED's new album is gobsmacking.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. It's probs there best.

check out a band named pemdas on myspace from mount lake terrace,washington

it is the only actual jazzcore band ive ever heard

To go along with Magma I'd say Henry Cow is a great mix of jazz improvisation in a well anchored prog rock setting. There are some other jazz inspired prog rock like philharmonie, and Yang (both of which are pretty hard to find) that have a very musical adept and accomplished style.

Gordian Knot's first album is also worth checking out for those who cream over guitar.

Martyr's Warpzone is fairly jazzy in it's melodic/dissonant approach and reminds me a lot of jazz fusion at it's best.

Universe Zero is a chamber/rock/jazz/classical band they also have an interesting style of developing songs and worth checking out.

Jazzcore sounds intriguing.

[QUOTE=rhcp pman;10459328]Now now, both jazz and metal are pillars of musical achievement (forget nu-metal though). Both incredibly skilled genres.[/QUOTE]

ya sure but the difference is jazz sounds good

[QUOTE=defkennedys;7016170][url]http://www.goldenbrownrecordings.com/offminor/images/cadaveric.mp3[/url]

try this, off minor are a great band[/QUOTE]

What is "jazz" about that?

"Off Minor may not have much jazz in their immediate sound but a lot of their aesthetic is inspired by jazz. The use of whole tone and diminished scales as well as the rhythmic idiosyncracies on a lot of their songs are jazz inspired. The same goes for Refused and I guess Dillinger Escape Plan. However those bands are rooted in screamo, hardcore, and math metal, respectively, so people disregard any jazz elements the music has because it isn't apparent on a superficial level"

That's really, really stretching it.

mhmm

calling music jazz jus because "OOOO its soooo complex" is not something to do

jazz doesnt mean complex although compared to most non art music it is

complex is in fact epitomized if by anything, contemporary classical

And the whole tone scale is seen a lot more in Impressionism and other contemporary classical styles than in jazz.

see if I went into r&m and made a thread about metal-ly jazz bands people would get mad

The Dillinger Escape Plan =/= Jazz

From my understanding, the only thing that is "jazzy" about the genre are weird time signatures. This does not constitute jazz.

yea most jazz is actually in 4

ye..

Lye By Mistake - sounds very jazzy to me. I dare calling this band jazzcore...

my favorite jazzcore band is norma jean

they are popular for such songs as this calling, 94 hours, and when the sun sleeps

modern day thrashers seem to be into their jazzy breakdowns

haha as if scales define jazz


oh man there's syncopation, it must be jazzy!

[QUOTE=dinosaurxbrocore;16348090]my favorite jazzcore band is norma jean

they are popular for such songs as this calling, 94 hours, and when the sun sleeps

modern day thrashers seem to be into their jazzy breakdowns[/QUOTE]


lmao

It doesn't really matter if it's Christian or not 'cuz if it's syncopated rhythm then your soul is gonna rot.

[I]When you shake your hip
and it starts to slip
And you shake your soul
and it starts to roll
they call that

fantastic rhythm! [/I]

Louis Armstrong - "If you have to ask what Jazz is, you will never know."

And thats coming from the MAN. Although he didn't consider bebop to be Jazz...

There ya go. Now lets not fight about what Jazz is or isn't. It could be anything!

Jazz is more or less defined by freedom. The American way! Jazz is an escape, a way to get rid of suffering, and a way to express your soul... That is why improv is associated with it. However, there is no certain sound, time signature, style, or instrument that can be identified with Jazz.

louis was too embarrassed to admit that he didnt know what jazz is

[QUOTE=Eliminator;16399190]louis was too embarrassed to admit that he didnt know what jazz is[/QUOTE]


I chuckled here.

im wondering if you mean something like mr. bungle per chance?

[QUOTE=Shadows Rise;10299557]Can anyone tell me what scales bands like Into the Moat and Sleep Terror use in those weird jazz breaks that they do in their songs? Thanks.[/QUOTE]

For Sleep Terror I think they switch to bass.

Please don't tell me that there's actually a sub-genre called Jazzcore. Name a couple of artists, please.

I see that there were a number of bands already mentioned. I'll have to explore some. Especially something with the name of "Shape Of Punk To Come" A play off of the famous Ornette Coleman album.

[QUOTE=Krabsworth;10199921]I cry to hear of my beloved jazz ruined with metal.[/QUOTE]

There have been some really sucessful melding of Jazz concepts with Metal. Three of the most important, in my eyes/ears, are the 'Spiral Architect' album, first and foremost. Picture 'Mahavishnu Orchestra' if it had Jaco Pastorius as Bassist and decided to conjure up Extreme Technical Metal one day. What an unbelievable record that one is. I don't think the musicianship on that album has been touched since. Absolutely love the first 'Aghora' recording and the one and only 'Cynic'. These two are different incarnations of the same, unbelievably talented rhythm section - Sean Malone and Sean Reinert. Two untouchable, monster players. These three recordings are a must for anyone interested in this Jazz/Metal Fusion. Then, ya got pretty much every from Death and Atheist, which was, at least to some degree, influenced by Jazz. But, the first three I mentioned are a really nice balance between both musical philosophies. Now I need to explore some of the names mentioned here.

[i]The Shape of Punk To Come[/i] by Refused isnt really that jazzy, ive never heard something that was called 'jazzcore' but im just going to go ahead and assume the threadstarter is talking about the super technical style of hardcore found on albums like [i]Calculated Infinity[/i] by the Dillinger Escape Plan and on albums by some of the more technical death metal bands a la Cynic and Death (mostly from Sound of Perseverance)