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Linkinbassist 12-20-2005 04:34 PM

[QUOTE=Phalanx]Before I do that however, i wanna get my fretless 6 string Status Graphite first :D[/QUOTE]

I'm getting a cheap 6er off ebay for crimbo...If the 'leccies are crap, i'll put in a pre-amp or new pick-ups...

Phalanx 12-20-2005 04:36 PM

[QUOTE=Linkinbassist]I'm getting a cheap 6er off ebay for crimbo...If the 'leccies are crap, i'll put in a pre-amp or new pick-ups...[/QUOTE]

cool, which sixer would that be?

Linkinbassist 12-20-2005 04:52 PM

[QUOTE=Phalanx]cool, which sixer would that be?[/QUOTE]

the CH guitars one...basically [URL="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/5-string-bass-Red-flamed-maple-top_W0QQitemZ7374252188QQcategoryZ4713QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem"]this[/URL] but in green with an extra string...

Killer Fridge 12-20-2005 05:09 PM

[QUOTE=Phalanx]Before I do that however, i wanna get my fretless 6 string Status Graphite first :D[/QUOTE]

ooh ooh ooh have you seen the one on ebay? its looking awesome :D

ala this one

[img]http://i5.ebayimg.com/04/i/05/c6/44/76_3.JPG[/img]

Kobaia 12-20-2005 06:24 PM

correction, you can get fretbuzz, if your action is too low, you'll get the strings bouncing off the board.

Phalanx 12-20-2005 06:33 PM

[QUOTE=Kobaia]correction, you can get fretbuzz, if your action is too low, you'll get the strings bouncing off the board.[/QUOTE]

yes, but only an idiot would set their action low enough to do that :rolleyes:

The guy who is selling that status is selling me a different status fretless. That thing sure is a beaut though

TheBassman238 12-20-2005 06:38 PM

[QUOTE=scrowler]whats the benefits of fretless?[/QUOTE]

There are many reasons..(though i dont own one but want one)

-tone
-smoothness
-being able to play 1/4 tones
-Vibrato simplified
-Easy to correct noter when intonation is off
-no need for bends
-learn notes bette/ear training

and thats all i can think of right now...

-TBM

TheBassman238 12-20-2005 06:39 PM

[QUOTE=Killer Fridge]ooh ooh ooh have you seen the one on ebay? its looking awesome :D

ala this one

[img]http://i5.ebayimg.com/04/i/05/c6/44/76_3.JPG[/img][/QUOTE]


im a fan of the 6ers.... but that is just fugly IMO.

-TBM

Killer Fridge 12-20-2005 06:41 PM

awww how can you say that - it is a thing of beauty that i really want


badly

ive got about 1300 GBP which should be for a car...but i really want that now

what-a-to-do

Phalanx 12-20-2005 06:43 PM

[QUOTE=Killer Fridge]awww how can you say that - it is a thing of beauty that i really want


badly

ive got about 1300 GBP which should be for a car...but i really want that now

what-a-to-do[/QUOTE]

i'd rather drive the fretless to work if ya know what I mean :thumb:

Linkinbassist 12-20-2005 08:05 PM

[QUOTE=Phalanx]i'd rather drive the fretless to work if ya know what I mean :thumb:[/QUOTE]

...cause i don't! :thumb:

vashts80 12-20-2005 08:08 PM

I love my fretless, I'll never go back to fretted unless I have to (although, I've been screwing around with little doodles on my fretted, but that's only cos it's in standard tuning and my fretless is in CGCGC right now)

Sliding is a lot easier on fretless, and the "bumpyness" of frets is gone. Like somebody else said, it's also easier to get back in tune because you don't have frets making horrible noise if you play notes a little sharp if your bass is out of tune.

Naveed Afzal 12-20-2005 08:22 PM

Its like Cars, Stick vs Manual.

Its all performance baby, you race a stick vs a Manual. That manuals gonna lose.

Its personal prefrence, its all about what you need, and what you want.

moghes69 12-20-2005 08:45 PM

[QUOTE=Kobaia]correction, you can get fretbuzz, if your action is too low, you'll get the strings bouncing off the board.[/QUOTE]
how can you get fretbuzz without frets?.... that would juzt be buzz i suppose

Linkinbassist 12-20-2005 08:48 PM

[QUOTE=moghes69]how can you get fretbuzz without frets?.... that would juzt be buzz i suppose[/QUOTE]

yeah, its just the string buzzing off the board nearer your finger...

Guinpen 12-20-2005 08:49 PM

fretless is only if you're too poor to buy frets

Linkinbassist 12-20-2005 08:51 PM

[QUOTE=Guinpen]fretless is only if you're too poor to buy frets[/QUOTE]

...and thats why fretted necked basses are cheaper than fretless ones, aye?

TheClap 12-20-2005 08:57 PM

[QUOTE=Janelectro]you can do things with it you won't be able to with a fretted or an upright.

PLUS: Only fretlessplayers are real men :D[/QUOTE]



uprights are fretless and you can use a bow and alot of different techniques on it no need to insult the upright basses plus they started it all.

Guinpen 12-20-2005 09:33 PM

[QUOTE=Linkinbassist]...and thats why fretted necked basses are cheaper than fretless ones, aye?[/QUOTE]

exactly, but only if you're converting australian to U.S. currency, due to inflation and pork-barrel spending in minority demographics

faelun 12-20-2005 10:09 PM

why are fretted ones cheaper? that makes no logical sense

vashts80 12-20-2005 10:13 PM

Because they are? Because people don't normally play fretless so it's more supply-and-demand based? I don't know, ask the industry

doodooking 12-20-2005 10:17 PM

i havent read through all the posts, but if it hasnt been mentioned, one of the reasons to go fretless besides the tone is vibrato because you can do vibrato like a violin rather than like a guitar

owlandtree 12-20-2005 10:37 PM

[QUOTE=faelun]why are fretted ones cheaper? that makes no logical sense[/QUOTE]
I am not sure what brand you are referring to, but if you order a Bass from say Fender or Carvin the option for Fretless is the same price. Music shop owners jack-up the price because Fretless is more of a novelty in Rock (which is the most popular genre here in Detroit), so the demand is lower. My Fretless Musicman Sterling was the same price brand new in 1993 as a 93' Fretted M.M.S, except mine has the custom concert muters, which made it approx. $100 more back then.

Jaded 12-21-2005 04:58 AM

[QUOTE=owlandtree]What I don't understand is the appeal for a fretless with the cheesy drawn in lines.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, to hell with intonation, I say!

Jaded 12-21-2005 05:00 AM

[QUOTE=owlandtree]I am not sure what brand you are referring to, but if you order a Bass from say Fender or Carvin the option for Fretless is the same price. Music shop owners jack-up the price because Fretless is more of a novelty in Rock (which is the most popular genre here in Detroit), so the demand is lower. My Fretless Musicman Sterling was the same price brand new in 1993 as a 93' Fretted M.M.S, except mine has the custom concert muters, which made it approx. $100 more back then.[/QUOTE]
My local store tries to sell their fretless am. Jazzes for 1400 :lol: . No wonder they;ve had the same ones for like 4 years.

Wintermute 12-21-2005 05:03 AM

[QUOTE=Jaded]Yeah, to hell with intonation, I say![/QUOTE]

You can intonate without them. Ask a violin player, or an upright bassist.

Once you get used to it, an unlined fretless is really no harder than a lined fretless - and it looks ten times cooler. :D

Jaded 12-21-2005 05:04 AM

[QUOTE=Naveed Afzal]Its like Cars, Stick vs Manual.

Its all performance baby, you race a stick vs a Manual. That manuals gonna lose.

Its personal prefrence, its all about what you need, and what you want.[/QUOTE]
What?

Doesn't stick shift=manual transmission?

Jaded 12-21-2005 05:08 AM

[QUOTE=Wintermute]You can intonate without them. [b]Ask a violin player, or an upright bassist.[/b]

Once you get used to it, an unlined fretless is really no harder than a lined fretless - and it looks ten times cooler. :D[/QUOTE]
WTF! Since when are violins and uprights fretted! You just blew my fu[SIZE="2"]cking[/SIZE] mind, WM.


Yeah, dude, no sh*t, but not everybody has a good ear. I've heard a lot of bassists playing unlined fretless basses that had godawful intonation. I think it's better to be on the safe side in some cases.

I don't think either looks any cooler than the other, btw.

Az_Holl 12-21-2005 05:17 AM

[QUOTE=Jaded]What?

Doesn't stick shift=manual transmission?[/QUOTE]
:lol:
I was going to say, but was afraid that you Americans had Sticks and manuals instead of manuals and automatics.

owlandtree 12-21-2005 08:50 AM

[QUOTE=Jaded]Yeah, to hell with intonation, I say![/QUOTE] I don't understand....Are you implying that you have difficulty with your intonation on a fretless?

BrodieBear 12-21-2005 08:56 AM

[QUOTE=joe_bass]Search function.[/QUOTE]

fretlesses have a search function?



















i'm so very sorry, i know that one was terrible, i couldn't help myself.

darrell 12-21-2005 02:10 PM

[QUOTE=BrodieBear]fretlesses have a search function?


i'm so very sorry, i know that one was terrible, i couldn't help myself.[/QUOTE]

Don't let it happen again. :rolleyes:

:smash:
:D

Naveed Afzal 12-21-2005 03:17 PM

[QUOTE=Jaded]What?

Doesn't stick shift=manual transmission?[/QUOTE]

Yeah, thats a mental **** up...

Jaded 12-21-2005 04:45 PM

[QUOTE=owlandtree]I don't understand....Are you implying that you have difficulty with your intonation on a fretless?[/QUOTE]
No. I was implying that perhaps the reason behind those silly ugly lines is to help with intonation, but then again, that was just a wild guess.

Teh Glees0rz 12-21-2005 05:11 PM

Fretless basses sound really nice. I love to slide on them. It really quirky. I've only ever played one fretless though and it was a Dean Edge. I might of bought it, but I didn't have the £300 for it. The shop it was in don't get much custom, so for all I know, it could still be there.

Acrophobia 12-22-2005 01:31 PM

You got those really cool slide tones! Bwaaaang, dwaaaaang... yeah I love that tone :D

albinoblacksheep 12-22-2005 03:35 PM

no need for long arguements.

Its that majestic, majestic mwaaa you can get, that singular mwaaa you cant get out of anything else.
All other factors are secondary.


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