How long have you been into punk, 3 years?

You dont know it all.

[QUOTE=Brain Squirmin' Like a Toad]Agnostic Front is pretty much my favourite hardcore band, I love them.[/QUOTE]
They're probably my second favourite band (my favourite is BLOOD FOR BLOOD). My band covers [I]United Blood[/I]. Are you into Warzone?

[QUOTE=Sick_boy_Samhain]You ignorant kids!
First punk records by Ramones, ****ed, Pistols and Buzzcocks were released in 1976. and early 1977.
First streetpunk record was "I don't wanna" by Sham 69 in middle of 1977., but all this streetpunk really started in 1978. with records by bands like Menace, **** Sparrer, Skrewdriver...

First "official" oi compilation is "Oi! The Album", released in 1980. or 1981. with bands like Angelic Upstarts, Cockney Rejects, 4 Skins, P.T.T.B., The Exploited... These are not punk bands? You fools!
Skinhead subculture started in 1968. but Oi (punk) started in 1978. or 1981. (if you consider Sham 69 and other early streetpunk bands Oi! then it's 1978.) On every fućking oi compilation you'll find liner notes explaining that oi is subgenre of punk rock!

I'm really fed up with kids who are punk rock fans for 3 months and "real" experts in punk! Yeah, right! Enough with this "oi is not subgenre of punk" bull$hit!!! :angry:

The Lurkers - not an Oi band[/QUOTE]
You cut yourself.

io sucks lol jj

[QUOTE=fastfingers]They're probably my second favourite band (my favourite is BLOOD FOR BLOOD). My band covers [I]United Blood[/I]. Are you into Warzone?[/QUOTE]

Warzone is very good. Only got one album though.

[QUOTE=Sick_boy_Samhain]You ignorant kids!
First punk records by Ramones, ****ed, Pistols and Buzzcocks were released in 1976. and early 1977.
First streetpunk record was "I don't wanna" by Sham 69 in middle of 1977., but all this streetpunk really started in 1978. with records by bands like Menace, **** Sparrer, Skrewdriver...

First "official" oi compilation is "Oi! The Album", released in 1980. or 1981. with bands like Angelic Upstarts, Cockney Rejects, 4 Skins, P.T.T.B., The Exploited... These are not punk bands? You fools!
Skinhead subculture started in 1968. but Oi (punk) started in 1978. or 1981. (if you consider Sham 69 and other early streetpunk bands Oi! then it's 1978.) On every fućking oi compilation you'll find liner notes explaining that oi is subgenre of punk rock!

I'm really fed up with kids who are punk rock fans for 3 months and "real" experts in punk! Yeah, right! Enough with this "oi is not subgenre of punk" bull$hit!!! :angry:

The Lurkers - not an Oi band[/QUOTE]

explain to me why oi bands and streetpunk sound different?

and how exactly, the 'first' oi band started in thee arly 70s, before punk?

[QUOTE=Sick_boy_Samhain]You ignorant kids!
First punk records by Ramones, ****ed, Pistols and Buzzcocks were released in 1976. and early 1977.
First streetpunk record was "I don't wanna" by Sham 69 in middle of 1977., but all this streetpunk really started in 1978. with records by bands like Menace, **** Sparrer, Skrewdriver...

First "official" oi compilation is "Oi! The Album", released in 1980. or 1981. with bands like Angelic Upstarts, Cockney Rejects, 4 Skins, P.T.T.B., The Exploited... These are not punk bands? You fools!
Skinhead subculture started in 1968. but Oi (punk) started in 1978. or 1981. (if you consider Sham 69 and other early streetpunk bands Oi! then it's 1978.) On every fućking oi compilation you'll find liner notes explaining that oi is subgenre of punk rock!

I'm really fed up with kids who are punk rock fans for 3 months and "real" experts in punk! Yeah, right! Enough with this "oi is not subgenre of punk" bull$hit!!! :angry:

The Lurkers - not an Oi band[/QUOTE]

Street punk and oi are two different genres of music.
The Exploited - Street Punk
C'ock Sparrer - Oi
They sound nothing alike.

It is not a sub-genre of punk because it started before punk, just like proto-punk is not a sub-genre of punk. C'ock Sparrer formed in the early 70s, way before The Pistols and Ramones even released their first albums.

The only validity you have is the tie in between the two genres with shared influences and mixing of sounds of both.

[QUOTE=TheRapeGoesOn]explain to me why oi bands and streetpunk sound different?

and how exactly, the 'first' oi band started in thee arly 70s, before punk?[/QUOTE]


Yeah, if oi is a subculture of punk, how did it start first?

Oi is not in any way a form of punk, it is merely amped up rock and roll with songs about drinking, fighting, hanging out, the working class, and other such topics...keep it at that

I'm 26, I listen to punk since I was 12, but this will turn in "more punk than you" bull$hit, so I don't it's important.

I've done interview with Steve Whale from Business and he speaks about Business as a punk band.

Check out "Burning Britain: UK punk 1980-1984" book. You'll read inside that Tom Hoxton, founder of 4 Skins talks about 4 Skins as a punk band, and much more evidences about oi as a subgenre of punk.
You "Oi's not subgenre of punk" guys are either deaf or dumb. Choose for yourself.

[B]Oi did not start before punk[/B].
How?
Please, explain that "oi came first" nonsense.

[QUOTE=Sick_boy_Samhain]I'm 26, I listen to punk since I was 12, but this will turn in "more punk than you" bull$hit, so I don't it's important.

I've done interview with Steve Whale from Business and he speaks about Business as a punk band.

Check out "Burning Britain: UK punk 1980-1984" book. You'll read inside that Tom Hoxton, founder of 4 Skins talks about 4 Skins as a punk band, and much more evidences about oi as a subgenre of punk.
You "Oi's not subgenre of punk" guys are either deaf or dumb. Choose for yourself.

[B]Oi did not start before punk[/B].
How?
Please, explain that "oi came first" nonsense.[/QUOTE]
the only reason Oi bands occasionally consider themselves as punk is b ecause the skinhead culture is very closely intertwined with the punk scene because alot of punks and skins go to both punk and oi shows.

and as for the whole Oi starting before punk, it generally did, it started in the early 70s (72ish) with CockSParrer and others, which was about 5 years before punk really came to be, and dont give me all that [i]s[/i]hit about MC5 and The Velevt Underground, cause i dont consider those punk, sure they influenced punk in a way, but it wasnt punk...thus Oi did come around before punk did...

Might well be, i think Oi! sucks and most band have got lyrics that could have been written by a 5-year old.
Only Oi band i find interesting is US roughnecks cuz it has a member of the Transplants.

Alo there are alot of fascist Oi bands, such as skrewdriver. Hope you all think they suck.

Have any of you guys heard of a band called 4ft Fingers they did a US tour not two long ago I think... anyway there amazing. You should check them out, there probably among the final few british punk bands not to sell out. Though there new album was sounding a bit to poppy in places... mmm oh well [url]www.4ftfingers.co.uk[/url]

[QUOTE=Lexluthor]Have any of you guys heard of a band called 4ft Fingers they did a US tour not two long ago I think... anyway there amazing. You should check them out, there probably among the final few british punk bands not to sell out. Though there new album was sounding a bit to poppy in places... mmm oh well [url]www.4ftfingers.co.uk[/url][/QUOTE]

4ft Fingers are good indeed, and hardly any british bands have 'sold out'

but they arent oi

[QUOTE=Chug-a-lug]Might well be, i think Oi! sucks and most band have got lyrics that could have been written by a 5-year old.
Only Oi band i find interesting is US roughnecks cuz it has a member of the Transplants.

Alo there are alot of fascist Oi bands, such as skrewdriver. Hope you all think they suck.[/QUOTE]

Their lyrics are supposed to simple, because they are about simple things, beer, footy, music, having a good time. And they are a s'hitload better than any of Tim Armstrong's bands, in my humbled opinion.

Very few fascists bands make it bigger then their own scenese, Only Skrewdriver because it used to be a non fascist band. And I like them, they have great music, their first album was pure oi, and any nazi albums still have the good music, just stupid lyrics, but are actually pretty funny.

[QUOTE=Lexluthor]Have any of you guys heard of a band called 4ft Fingers they did a US tour not two long ago I think... anyway there amazing. You should check them out, there probably among the final few british punk bands not to sell out. Though there new album was sounding a bit to poppy in places... mmm oh well [url]www.4ftfingers.co.uk[/url][/QUOTE]


me thinks you are a bit stupid

all of their albums have been poppy.


and one of the few british bands not to sell out?
please, you cant even back that up.

[QUOTE]me thinks you are a bit stupid

all of their albums have been poppy.


and one of the few british bands not to sell out?
please, you cant even back that up.[/QUOTE]

Ok well the bit about selling out was a load of bollocks just blind promotion basically. But I can sure as hell argue against them being poppy, sure there album covers dont really help there cause but by listening to "At your convenience" you can easily see there more than capable off producing a good punk song.

pop punk song.

"At your convieniance" is an album

4ft fingers are pop punk, i own 2 of their albums and have seen them a few times.

Well whatever, I still love them.

*braces for flames* I hate punk!

[QUOTE=Lexluthor]Well whatever, I still love them.[/QUOTE]

He said they were pop-punk, not crap. Pop-punk doesn't equal crap :cool:

[QUOTE=Sick_boy_Samhain]I'm 26, I listen to punk since I was 12, but this will turn in "more punk than you" bull$hit, so I don't it's important.

I've done interview with Steve Whale from Business and he speaks about Business as a punk band.

Check out "Burning Britain: UK punk 1980-1984" book. You'll read inside that Tom Hoxton, founder of 4 Skins talks about 4 Skins as a punk band, and much more evidences about oi as a subgenre of punk.
You "Oi's not subgenre of punk" guys are either deaf or dumb. Choose for yourself.

[B]Oi did not start before punk[/B].
How?
Please, explain that "oi came first" nonsense.[/QUOTE]

Are you sure youre not from Australia and your name isnt Zane?


Hahaha, ive found Zanes twin!

What's a suedehead?

[QUOTE=ihatecelebrities]What's a suedehead?[/QUOTE]
Stay away from my baby.

[QUOTE=ihatecelebrities]What's a suedehead?[/QUOTE]

If I remember correctly, a skinhead who has grown their hair and dresses a bit nicer than a skin. But I'm not sure.

[QUOTE=ihatecelebrities]What's a suedehead?[/QUOTE]
skinhead with hair a tad longer, about 1 inch of hair if i remember right, around that area, they're alot like mods, just trimmed hair.

No, I'm not from Australia, I'm from Croatia

George Marshall in his book "Spirit of 69" talks about Sham 69, Angelic Upstarts, Cockney Rejects...and labels them as "streetpunk", because these bands were/are undeniably punk rock bands, and also they were there before whole Oi! hype produced by Gary Bushell in Sounds. Latter bands, as 4 Skins, Business, Blitz, PTTB, Last Resort; Red Alert, Infa Riot..., are called Oi. But again, this bands were on "punk charts" in UK music press, played on punk tours and festivals, got included in punk compilations... Unlike gothic or psychobilly from that time.
To say Oi is not punk subgenre is as rediculous as "hardcore, skatepunk, power violence, _______ is not subgenre of punk" quote.

And although **** Sparrer were formed few months before Sex Pistols, they were obscure pub rock band, with influences such as Rolling Stones, Small Faces, Slade and Dr. Feelgood. More glam rock than (pre) punk, as you can hear it on their early tracks. Come on, you cannot lump f.e."Sister Suzie" in oi punk, right?

[QUOTE=Slash4040]*braces for flames* I hate punk![/QUOTE]

why you here then?

[QUOTE=JAtomic]Oi is cockney slang for hey.

NYHC, where hardcore got its oi influence due to alot of skinheads getting into hardcore, included such bands as Agnostic Front, Warzone, Murphy's Law, Cro-Mags, Sheer Terror, etc. It, btw, started around the time of 81-82-ish

Oi started in the early 70's not the late 70s and early 80s. Keep in mind the working class influence came from the fact that most Oi of the time was done by skinheads and its sub-groups (i.e. suedeheads, mods, etc. note: Sham 69's singer was a suedehead as was the 4Skins' bassist).

The National Front did not exploit and corrupt the impressionable youth through the music, it was mostly simply through skinheads trying to make them boneheads. their form of oi dint come around til later.

if anything else comes to mind ill post it...[/QUOTE]



you cant realy compare jimmy and tom as the same sort of person. jimmy was a muppet. tom wernt. jimmy cried when the stage got rushed by nazis at shams last stand. dont see tom crying after the 4 skins, last resort and some other band whos name escape me play southall and aparently start a racist riot (complete bull****) but i dont see tom crying despite being called a nazi along with every other skinhead but especialy the 4skins on bbc nationwide. They play a gig to try and prove theyy aint nazis. the stage gets rushed. tom dont cry. jimmy was a mug tom wernt.

sorry about that little rant just thought it was nesecary. Also tom was one of the first punks but later became a skinheady mod (close as i can describe it) but then became a suedehead

Not a bad thread to bring back.

skrewdriver originally were a punk band and played with the sex pistols, i have alot of there stuff, I love them, but i try not to listen to the incredibly racsist stuff.
But even tho they were c'ockheads they were still a bloody great band

oh and check out my band, at [url]http://www.mp3.zoob.net/showband.php?band=Mickey%20Flash[/url], Be sure to check all 3 songs we put up coz they are all different, according to other ppl one song sounds like 'the exploited' another sounds like 'dead boys' and the other is just Oi

[QUOTE=ihatecelebrities]What's a suedehead?[/QUOTE]

If a skins hair is long enough to modify with a comb, hes a suedehead.
Very nice thread.

[QUOTE=username77]If a skins hair is long enough to modify with a comb, hes a suedehead.
Very nice thread.[/QUOTE]

did Morrisey consider himself a suedehead

[QUOTE=Sparrer77]oh and check out my band, at [url]http://www.mp3.zoob.net/showband.php?band=Mickey%20Flash[/url], Be sure to check all 3 songs we put up coz they are all different, according to other ppl one song sounds like 'the exploited' another sounds like 'dead boys' and the other is just Oi[/QUOTE]
I'm not going to jump to conclusions here or anything, but you look like a white power twirp. If you are, you wouldn't last too long here in Toronto...

...Actually, I take that back. Your testicles are still up in your ribcage. When we see young nazis, we usually give them a couple years to shape up their act before we do anything about it.

[QUOTE=fastfingers]I'm not going to jump to conclusions here or anything, but you look like a white power twirp. If you are, you wouldn't last too long here in Toronto...

...Actually, I take that back. Your testicles are still up in your ribcage. When we see young nazis, we usually give them a couple years to shape up their act before we do anything about it.[/QUOTE]


Tuff

There's a lot of mis-information on this thread especially JAtomics posts.
OI! CAME OUT OF PUNK(FACT!),NO PUNK WOULD'VE MEANT NO OI!(FACT!).
As Sick_Boy_Samhain has already posted;-**** Sparrer formed in 1974 or 75 'as a hard edged pub rock band in the vein of Dr.Feelgood'.