[QUOTE=Salvation]JoZ I have to disagree with you comment on Paul Grey. He's not at the top of pick playing bass players, but he's not that bad. He keeps up with the speed of his band mates. Not to mention he's not too bad at slaping and poping either.[/QUOTE]

...My opinions on Paul Grey have changed a bit since I wrote this article.

I have since aquired Mate.Feed.Kill.Repeat, and his bass playing is really very, very good on that album.

I also read an interview he did, where he said he basically plays to lay down a strong rhythm, and chooses not to show off...although he does get a few moments here and there. My respect for him went up quite considerably, and I recognize his abilities.

[quote]ah no way man, .71 is where it's at.[/quote]

The actual thickness doesn't necessarily matter, but you do need a pick that doesn't wear down on the thicker bass strings.

meh, i feel that after my pick has worn down a bit, triplets and such become easier and smoother.

JoZ: From what I hear you're somewhat of a Tool fan like me, and I was wondering if you have any good live mp3s of some Tool songs where you can clearly hear the bass where usually you can't (roughly half of The Grudge, for example). Sorry, didn't feel like makin a new thread ;) Actually, The Grudge is the only song I can think of at the moment, so if you have that please lemme know :D

[QUOTE=supernaut_1]meh, i feel that after my pick has worn down a bit, triplets and such become easier and smoother.[/QUOTE]

I mean, basically, you don't want a pick that bends when being used on bass strings.

[quote]JoZ: From what I hear you're somewhat of a Tool fan like me, and I was wondering if you have any good live mp3s of some Tool songs where you can clearly hear the bass where usually you can't (roughly half of The Grudge, for example). Sorry, didn't feel like makin a new thread Actually, The Grudge is the only song I can think of at the moment, so if you have that please lemme know [/quote]

I am a [b]huge[/b] Tool fan, firstly :p

Secondly...I have been searching for said live Mp3 of The Grudge myself. Deadohiosky.net claimed to have a copy, and the bass was said to be 'really trebly' but it never worked. It might very well be on that site again, now, but last time I looked, it was not...

I personally wish there was a version like this of Parabola, but I couldn't find that either...

[QUOTE=supernaut_1]meh, i feel that after my pick has worn down a bit, triplets and such become easier and smoother.[/QUOTE]

I mean, basically, you don't want a pick that bends when being used on bass strings.

[quote]JoZ: From what I hear you're somewhat of a Tool fan like me, and I was wondering if you have any good live mp3s of some Tool songs where you can clearly hear the bass where usually you can't (roughly half of The Grudge, for example). Sorry, didn't feel like makin a new thread Actually, The Grudge is the only song I can think of at the moment, so if you have that please lemme know [/quote]

I am a [b]huge[/b] Tool fan, firstly :p

Secondly...I have been searching for said live Mp3 of The Grudge myself. Deadohiosky.net claimed to have a copy, and the bass was said to be 'really trebly' but it never worked. It might very well be on that site again, now, but last time I looked, it was not...

I personally wish there was a version like this of Parabola, but I couldn't find that either...

from the kid saying playing an open D and then G and it sounds muddy thats your amp / bass. Try to see if your in the right tuning if not tune it to the song, and also get your bass perfessionaly set up pickups truss rod etc adjusted. and for simple palm muting like X 0 X 3 X 5 on like E string. I just have my hand over where the strings come from the bridge siding it not palming it i think they just call it palm because hand mute sounds stupid i see everyone use there side of there hand any ways u rest it there but then bounce it up as u fret a string takes a few secs to get the hang of it but its a good technique if u have trouple slapping and need a funk line But i suggest you get down slapping and this to add more variety to your playing styles.

[QUOTE=The JoZ]I mean, basically, you don't want a pick that bends when being used on bass strings.



I am a [b]huge[/b] Tool fan, firstly :p

Secondly...I have been searching for said live Mp3 of The Grudge myself. Deadohiosky.net claimed to have a copy, and the bass was said to be 'really trebly' but it never worked. It might very well be on that site again, now, but last time I looked, it was not...

I personally wish there was a version like this of Parabola, but I couldn't find that either...[/QUOTE]

Yeah... I've been dying to see them live but those bastages won't release their new album and start touring :angry: I started getting into Tool a little over a year ago (but unfortunately after they stopped touring), and since then they've become my favorite band by a long shot, and one of my biggest influences... although when I say that it kind of infers that I've started to write my own music, which I haven't yet :lol: At any rate, since you're a HUGE Tool fan like me, I might send you an IM later and ask you a couple questions :naughty:

[QUOTE=The JoZ]...My opinions on Paul Grey have changed a bit since I wrote this article.

I have since aquired Mate.Feed.Kill.Repeat, and his bass playing is really very, very good on that album.

I also read an interview he did, where he said he basically plays to lay down a strong rhythm, and chooses not to show off...although he does get a few moments here and there. My respect for him went up quite considerably, and I recognize his abilities.



The actual thickness doesn't necessarily matter, but you do need a pick that doesn't wear down on the thicker bass strings.[/QUOTE]
What were your first impressions upon hearing Mate-Feed-Kill-Repeat?

[QUOTE=supernaut_1]ah no way man, .71 is where it's at.:cool:[/QUOTE]

Agreed :cool:

Or even less.

I am using a pick whenever I need to have a little more tone that you can only achieve with a pick. And than it's really nice to play with it, but I can play with a pick because of guitar :thumb:

Pick + Flatwounds = Ben Kenney
Ben Kenney = w00t

[QUOTE=Salvation]What were your first impressions upon hearing Mate-Feed-Kill-Repeat?[/QUOTE]

My first impressions were "No way this is not the same Paul Grey"

My second impressions were "Dammit Paul, why don't you still play like this?"

Seriously, "Confessions" is probably the best bassline he's ever done. It's a shame he doesn't write more stuff like that.

Your pictures are broken btw.

[QUOTE=huh-whu]Your pictures are broken btw.[/QUOTE]

I don't know why they were broken, but they are fix'd now :thumb:

Are you sure you don't want this in resources and/or lessons and articles?

I thought Alex had put it there already...

I mean, it really doesn't matter to me, as long as people can access it :thumb:

Your choice. I can't put it in L&A unless you want to remake the thread in that forum. Or I can move it to Resources, or you can just choose to keep it here.

...Sounds like keeping it here would be the least amount of work

How about sticking it though? :cool:

:thumb:

[QUOTE=The JoZ]My first impressions were "No way this is not the same Paul Grey"

My second impressions were "Dammit Paul, why don't you still play like this?"

Seriously, "Confessions" is probably the best bassline he's ever done. It's a shame he doesn't write more stuff like that.[/QUOTE]
He writes the guitar and bass riffs so he still does a large amount of Slipknot work. But a few break-outs would be nice.

[QUOTE=The JoZ]If you don't use the Dunlop picks I use, I suggest anywhere from 1.00 to 2.00...

I used a 3.00 Dunlop once, but I hated the indentation that it had in the pick, and thus stopped using it.

The ones I use really aren't that thick...it's about how rigid the pick is. If you can easily bend the pick a great degree, you are probably using something too thin :thumb:[/QUOTE]


do you mean the big plastic ones?

i dont really like those either.

i use tortex 1.00 and dunlop jazz heavies (the little tiny ones)

[QUOTE=supernaut_1]ah no way man, .71 is where it's at.:cool:[/QUOTE]

i have trouble playing with picks that thin even on guitar....

i guess im just a heavy pick sorta guy.

[QUOTE=Salvation]He writes the guitar and bass riffs so he still does a large amount of Slipknot work. But a few break-outs would be nice.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I read how involved he was in the writing process in that interview too...all this time I thought he just sat back and rooted around.

I *think* he's playing the main line in Danger, Keep Away...but I'm not really certain. It sounds too warm to be a guitar...

[QUOTE=The JoZ]Yeah, I read how involved he was in the writing process in that interview too...all this time I thought he just sat back and rooted around.

I *think* he's playing the main line in Danger, Keep Away...but I'm not really certain. It sounds too warm to be a guitar...[/QUOTE]
He plays one of the guitars in Vermillion part2. (since there is no bass)

[QUOTE=Salvation]He plays one of the guitars in Vermillion part2. (since there is no bass)[/QUOTE]

Now that I did not know.

Where'd you find that out from?

[QUOTE=The JoZ]Now that I did not know.

Where'd you find that out from?[/QUOTE]
I preety sure it's him, you can get a vid off the net of him and Jim Root practicing. Jim with the acoustic and Paul with the left handed electric.

great great article. :thumb:

great guide btw, i find using a pick gets a great tone. where bouts do you pluck? i pluck right at the end, kinda like in between the pickups on my bass. look:

[img]http://img201.echo.cx/img201/2225/bass1yp.jpg[/img]

I think this was a great lesson for all bassists! thanx for the help. i have always played bass with a pick and i find it easier. most bassists that i have spoken to tell me that i must be a crap bassist cos i play with a pick? i still cant get the hang of picking up and down though :-(

Another good pick bassist is Jason Newsted.

Good Guide :thumb:

[QUOTE=metalbitch]I think this was a great lesson for all bassists! thanx for the help. i have always played bass with a pick and i find it easier. most bassists that i have spoken to tell me that i must be a crap bassist cos i play with a pick? i still cant get the hang of picking up and down though :-([/QUOTE]

Mike Dirnt is a great pick bassist, tell the people who tell you are crap to shut up, because it doesnt make u any less of a bassist. Just try some green day songs, for example maybe jesus of suburbia to practice up and downstrokes, you'll pick it up soon. :D

Pictures don't seem to work :( Got any working ones?

Pretty good. You might have mentioned that Anthony Jackson used a pick some.

The pictures don't work Joz.

Good article.

I have a semi-stupid question though. I play with a pick, and I mostly play punk and ska. I can usually only play for about 10 minutes or so before my wrist starts to hurt and I have to stop playing temporarily. This sort of worries me because I can write good songs, but then I can't follow through and play them, and I don't think I could make it through an entire gig. Are there any excercises or anything I can do to help this?

[QUOTE=Ska_Pirate]Good article.

I have a semi-stupid question though. I play with a pick, and I mostly play punk and ska. I can usually only play for about 10 minutes or so before my wrist starts to hurt and I have to stop playing temporarily. This sort of worries me because I can write good songs, but then I can't follow through and play them, and I don't think I could make it through an entire gig. Are there any excercises or anything I can do to help this?[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure I can really say, because I don't really know how you're picking exactly...you could be doing it wrong and/or putting in too much effort, if that makes sense.

Either way, if you're not used to constantly moving a muscle, it's going to hurt when you overextend it. Practicing to build up stamina is a good way to combat this.

I will fix my picture links in just a second :cool:

[QUOTE=mikethecoug]great guide btw, i find using a pick gets a great tone. where bouts do you pluck? i pluck right at the end, kinda like in between the pickups on my bass. look:

[img]http://img201.echo.cx/img201/2225/bass1yp.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]

i pluck above the Pbass-pickup.

[QUOTE=The JoZ]I mean, basically, you don't want a pick that bends when being used on bass strings.[/QUOTE]

I ONLY want picks that bend, I find rigid picks so d@mn clumsy. I just can't play ups and downs with rigid picks without losing the rythm.

and I play right next to the bridge

I actually prefer light picks too... I love that light sweeping tone that I can get.

hard picks for me.

[QUOTE=xfreakofnaturex]I ONLY want picks that bend, I find rigid picks so d@mn clumsy. I just can't play ups and downs with rigid picks without losing the rythm.

and I play right next to the bridge[/QUOTE]

I use bendy picks too, I dunno what size they are though.