[QUOTE=metally_mental]A guy way back there said that 'Stinkfist' is about anal fisting.

How wrong you are. I read something about Stinkfist somewhere, and it is now what I believe the song is about.

What i believe, is that Stinkfist is about the desensitisation of the human race. For example, back in the 1970's it was shocking to put certain things on television, like nudity, drugs etc. Nowadays, people dont 'want more', they 'need more' to be stimulated. It's ok to show that stuff now as we are used to it. We, the human race are becoming desensitised. "Knuckle/Fist/Shoulder deep within the borderline". This is saying that we need more and more to stimulate us, and each time we want to get it as close to the borderline (past that being too far) as we can without going over it. Another example would be taking as much heroin as you can to get as stimulated as you can without overdosing.[/QUOTE]

if thats what the song's about, then whats with the line "show me that you love me/and the pieces come together" ?

anyways, im a huge Tool fan. i've even got the golden spiral as my avatar (well, because of Tool and the movie Pi). but yeah, i'll probably get around to personally interpreting one of their songs in the near future.

^^
ok, firstly its "show me that you love me and that we belong together". i don't know how this could tie into the song, other than just going along with the metaphorical meaning of the song, anal fisting. i would be interested on on peoples interpretation of that particular line though because im sure it has more meaning than that.

ok [FONT=Arial Black]"Forty-six and Two".[/FONT]
great song but wtf does it mean??

i read somewhere that its about humans evolving, leaving our primal ways behind... "stepping through the shadow, coming out the other side". before analysing id like to say that maynard is a big fan of the psychoanalyst, Carl Jung. His theory of the "shadow" is in this song. Jung argued that the shadow is our alter ego.. everything we hate about ourselves, formed into this despicable dark counterpart of our psyche, that we resent in ourselves.

[FONT=Arial Black]"shadows shedding skin, ive been pickin scabs again.
ive been digging through my old muscles, looking for a clue."[/FONT]

Maynard is saying he is looking through himself, looking at his past and how he has changed, and looking at everything he dislikes in himself, and is now ready to move on. he is saying his shadow is shedding things he used to hate about himself, because he is past all that now and more mature.

[FONT=Arial Black]"ive been crawlin on my belly, clearing out what could have been.
ive been wallowing in my own confused and, insecure delusions"[/FONT]

talking about the past still, realising how stupid he used to be eg. maynard in the army?? lol. clearing out means forgetting old dreams of a conformed lifestyle.

[FONT=Arial Black]"For a piece to cross me over, or a word to guide me in.
I wanna feel the changes coming down.
I wanna know what I've been hiding in, my shadow."[/FONT]

for a piece, i think could mean just a piece of inspiration, be it music, art anything. anything to inspire him to take another look at himself, and the world around him. he is saying he is ready to feel the changes, and ready to face everything he has resented and hidden away in his alter ego, his shadow.

now about the forty-six and two bit. apparently, there used to be this guy who believed that there were three different kinds of humans, with different chromosomes. the aboriginals of australia supposedly has less than us, 36 or something. this being determined by their lifestyle and beliefs. the other group i forget now, but us has 42 and 2 i think*. not important anyway because all humans have the same chromosomes (except for people with down syndrome who are either missing one or have an extra one, i forget now.) but, supposedly we were supposed to evolve, and gain more chromosomes, presenting us with new abilities as humans. a nice theory, but all a lot of bull5hit in reality. but hey, it made for a great song and maynard just used it as an example of evolution in ourselves, and the process of 'individualisation'. another one of jungs theories. This song not being specific to that theory, just using it as a guideline to get his message across.

now, the rest of the song is just about maynard being ready to experience the world in a new light, and to be open to everything the world throws at him. "to be paranoid and to lie". he is even ready to face it when the world throws s hit in his face, or he does things he doesnt want to do like lie. you get the idea, and this is again, an opinion i stole from someone else because i otherwise would have had no fu ck ing clue about this song. i recognised the carl jung stuff though, and if you want to understand the title aenima, and the song aenema, research his stuff. very interesting reading. cheers... :thumb:

How has this thread managed to slip onto page 5? I think there are still some interesting point sto be taken from it,and a lot of people ar efinally giving interesting comments on Tool for a change. Although from reading another APC thread, I think it should be extended to discuss APC lyrics too, as they are just as complex as Maynards in Tool.

(although if I get flamed for bumping this, ill let this thread die)

This is one of my favorite topics. The beauty of Tool is thier lyrics can mean multiple things to different people. I can't tell you how many hours I have spent chatting with people about Tool lyrics, what they mean, how they arrange and compose thier music. If ya ever get bored and wanna talk shop lemme know! SFK.

Good to see this thread now had Mod sponsorship of a sorts (Cheers Stagefrightken :thumb:). I figured I should write my own in depth review of a Tool song, and hope the fans will re emerge and discuss.

Tool – The Patient

This is my personal favourite Tool song (that isn’t a live track, at least), and it is also one that is surprisingly thin on lyrics. Again though, it could be interpreted many ways. Here is my interpretation:

A groan of tedium escapes me, startling the fearful.
Is this a test?

I see this as MJK interpreting the reactions that previous comments and lyrics have received off certain people in the media, etc. The groan of tedium being his take on the world (songs like Ænima and Opiate spring to mind), and the criticisms the band has received being the test.

But I'm still right here, giving blood and keeping faith. And I'm still right here.

Going with the theme, it means that he is still making music, and putting his heart into the songs, and believing they are having a positive impact.

If there were no rewards to reap,
no loving embrace to see me through this tedious path I've chosen here,
I certainly would've walked away by now.

The rewards could either be the reactions of the fans, or depending on MJK’s attitude with the song, could be the record sales and profits (He has a tendency to be honest or conformist about trivial matters at times, or do the opposite and creates bizarre but believable hoax versions). The tedious path would refer to the music industry, which we know can be a long road for bands with true talent (and unfortunately, a stroll for those who are deemed ‘the next best thing’).

If there were no desire to heal
The damaged and broken met along this tedious path I've chosen here,

This refers to other artists that Tool has seen along the way that have run into problems or broke up due to the pressures (Tool once said in an interview that all their peers have seemingly gone, eg. RATM, Soundgarden, etc, and it was uup to them to fly the flag), and the desire to show them that there is hope. The healing reference could be their attempt to restore some kind of consistency to real music, and not all these moment of glory pop-punk/emo acts making up the masses.

I certainly would've walked away by now.
And I still may. And I still may. And I still may.

I'm gonna wait it out.


This shows that MJK knows that Tool or any other of his project culd not last forever, and if the current trends continue, there may be no hope for music. But it ends on the positive note that he will continue to create music and see what the end product is.


Discuss or destroy as you will, but please be constructive. (as always, this is merely an opinion, not fact. MJK said himself that most people's interpretations are way off, read it here in the opinions page [url]http://toolshed.down.net/0000.html[/url])

So Danny Carey and MJK basically worship the devil in some sort of sense, because MJK makes fun of Jesus Christ in some songs.

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Peace.

[QUOTE=Everything_and_Nothing_3:15]So Danny Carey and MJK basically worship the devil in some sort of sense, because MJK makes fun of Jesus Christ in some songs.[/QUOTE]

How does making fun of Jesus imply devil worship? :confused:

Well first off Maynard may worship satan because he was the only child of a baptist minister.. Right now I will say I do not know much about religion so he may have been brought up with so many restrictions he sees jesus christ as the "bad guy" and has turned against the religion.

"[B]Die Eier Von Sataan[/B]"

is German for the eggs of satan. This song is just a German recipie (sp) about making some kind of tradtional Germanic dish. My stepdad happens to be from Berlin, so he had just told me what it meant, and it was pretty much like they took a page out of a book and translated it into German. This thread has made me want to go and work on a few songs, so I shall post my finding soon.

[B]Track: The Grudge
Album: Lateralis[/B]


My interpritation: Excuse for possibly the most legendary scream in a song EVER!


tool rool

[QUOTE]How does making fun of Jesus imply devil worship?[/QUOTE]
Well Jesus Christ is one of the Higher figures in the Christian religion right? Therefore disrestpecting some one of higher power in an organization like christanity shows that you don't care for them and don't like them. So when some one doesnt' like some thing they usually go in the opposite direciton of it, the opposite of christanity being Satanism. For example, someone who doesn't like to drive cars drives a motorcycle.

this is the best thread ever...well i caught on a little late so im gonna make a run through of some things ive noticed and i want to say something about..
Adam Jones is great, everybody thinks good guitar skills are soloing..thats why noone gives much credit to kurt cobain..but making up good guitar riffs is **** hard and they are both good at it.

Maynard is god.

i always pictured eulogy being about hitler..im sure its wrong but, what i saw in my head.

im not much on analyzing tool songs, i just like to read others analyzations cause i figure all of these are probably wrong but Maynard is never gonna tell us what the songs mean anyway, so appreciation of the opinions are highly noted.

Thanks for the awesome thread,and please keep it going
Peace
Jeff

What is the song Hooker with a ***** about?

Granted Tool has different religous beliefs, that doesnt make them bad people. Thats one of the greatest things about living in the United States, freedom of religion. If they choose to sing about politics, religion, or whatever they don't have to worry about the secret police breaking in and hauling them off.

I don't believe the members of Tool are Satanists at all. I feel they are spiritual people with different beliefs. If anything, and this is a guess, I would say they were Athiest. I have no idea tho, it would be interesting to get into a religious conversation with some of them.....

Some one needs to have an interview with the band so we can find out what all there song mean.

Eulogy is about Bill Hicks, and Aenema is basically one of Bill Hicks visions about the natural demise of California. I think the song also touches on how the human race has turned life in general into a self centered, self promoting materialistic world with LA being the center of the universe for most of these people. Again, this is the beauty of Tool lyrics, so many people get different things from them...

If I remember correctly, Hooker with a ***** is about a kid goin up to them tellen them that they sold out. Something like that.

I am not sure at all...But I think Hooker With a ***** is about the guy on Harry manback...Like I said, I don't know, that is what I thought.

[QUOTE=eon blue apocolypse][B]this is the best thread ever[/B]...well i caught on a little late so im gonna make a run through of some things ive noticed and i want to say something about..
Adam Jones is great, everybody thinks good guitar skills are soloing..thats why noone gives much credit to kurt cobain..but making up good guitar riffs is **** hard and they are both good at it.

Maynard is god.

i always pictured eulogy being about hitler..im sure its wrong but, what i saw in my head.

im not much on analyzing tool songs, i just like to read others analyzations cause i figure all of these are probably wrong but Maynard is never gonna tell us what the songs mean anyway, so appreciation of the opinions are highly noted.

Thanks for the awesome thread,and please keep it going
Peace
Jeff[/QUOTE]

I completely agree. :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

Song/Album: Aenima

Basically what I get from here is that we all hear predictions of the world coming to an end or certain areas being naturally devasted and such. And Maynard seems to be saying how really bad of a place L.A. is and the only way to change it is for it to disappear. Just even looking at the CD itself where you see a picture of the USA and then the picture has most of California under water. And this is where the "Learn to Swim" line appeals.



"It's a bull**** three ring circus sideshow of freaks here in this hopeless ****ing hole we call LA The only way to fix it is to flush it all away. Any ****ing time. Any ****ing day. Learn to swim, I'll see you down in Arizona bay. Some say a comet will fall from the sky. Followed by meteor showers and tidal waves. Followed by faultlines that cannot sit still. Followed by millions of dumbfounded dip****s. Some say the end is near. Some say we'll see armageddon soon. I certainly hope we will cuz I sure could use a vacation from this Silly ****, stupid ****..."

[B]Album:[/B] AEnima
[B]song:[/B] H.

I have started just a little bit of this song...I feel it is about Adam and Eve.

What's coming through is alive
what's holding up is a mirror (Adam seeing Eve and knowing she is part of him)
but what's singing songs is a snake (the snake telling them to eat the forbidden fruit)
looking to turn my piss to wine

I only have that little bit...But it does somewhat match up to what I understand of the Adam and Eve story in the bible.

You'll notice each Tool album has at least 1 grand theme to it (Lateralus has about 10, and counting, actually)

Opiate talks alot about Christianity and the way people are control through certain establishments and institutions (This is also the generally accepted interpretation of the meaning of Tool's name)

Undertow follows a water theme. (I'm not sure if there are any other lyrical themes to the album, I don't actually own it, you may throw rocks at me now...)

Adam Jones has said that "Third Eye" is essentially the "extended remix of Aenima," meaning that all the subject matter in the individual songs in Aenima are pretty much reiterated in Third Eye. Also, the album deals alot with the fakery of certain people and how they choose to judge without full knowledge of a situation (See particularly Eulogy, H., Hooker With a *****, Aenema)

Lateralus has the whole qabalistic theme to it, (each song corresponds to a seperate branch of the qabalistic tree of life). I also see the album relating to the aftermath of a relationship The Grudge dealing with bitter feelings just after a break-up, The Patient dealing with being in a relationship that isn't working, yet choosing to "wait it out," Schism dealing with the reunification of a pair of souls, the same goes with Parabol/Parabola (A parabola can be equated to two bodies next to each other "A reminder here that I am not alone/ in this body"), Ticks dealing with more the relationship coming to a close as one person realises they are only contributing, and the other partner just "Sucks and sucks." Lateralus I'm not sure about, Reflection/Disposition/Triad also seems to deal with relationships and loneliness (pine away). There are also other themes to the Lateralus album, including "the holy gift theory" explained at [url]www.angelfire.com/ma4/question/insight7.html[/url]

i agree with stage, my guess would be that tool are atheists. they wouldnt practice what they preach. tool poke fun at all the holes in religion, so they wouldnt worship satan when satan is a product of RELIGION.

Hooker with a ***** is about a tool fan who maynard met at a concert, well that is my understanding. "OGT". i think this is original gangster tool, as in the original fan "from 92' the first ep". i would also like to hear more about H coz i have no idea, its obvious its not about heroin.

Stage, im curious about your take on eulogy. please explain why you think eulogy is about hicks?? i mean the whole "get off your ****ing cross" thing doesnt work for me, seeing as the bands were big fans of bill.

EDIT: i read another post up there, die eier von satan is actually a recipie for hash cookies, lol and when he yells "..und keine eier" that means "and no eggs". looks like ur old man didnt want to tell you what it really meant lol. :D

[QUOTE=Everything_and_Nothing_3:15]Well Jesus Christ is one of the Higher figures in the Christian religion right? Therefore disrestpecting some one of higher power in an organization like christanity shows that you don't care for them and don't like them. So when some one doesnt' like some thing they usually go in the opposite direciton of it, the opposite of christanity being Satanism. For example, someone who doesn't like to drive cars drives a motorcycle.[/QUOTE]


What are you a fu[b]c[/b]king idiot?? Have you ever heard of an Athiest? Someone who doesn't believe in God, but isn't a satan-worshipper. Your comment is the dumbest ****ing thing I've ever heard. You can be neutral, believing in niether God, nor the devil. Or you could believe in God, but not be a Christian because Maynard doesn't believe in organized religion, but who's to say he doesn't think there is a God or worships the devil? God dammit, everything's not so black and white so just keep your dumbass comments to yourself.

Errrmmm, one very important thing to remember is that all the members of tool have a very very twisted sense of humour. take everything you hear from tool with a pinch of salt. Theyre idea of funny is people swapping ideas about hidden and important themes in theyre music when they know there arent any.

Bottom line for me is that tool make some of the best music possibly ever, and they rock totally. :D

[QUOTE=metally_mental]ok [FONT=Arial Black]"Forty-six and Two".[/FONT]
great song but wtf does it mean??

i read somewhere that its about humans evolving, leaving our primal ways behind... "stepping through the shadow, coming out the other side". before analysing id like to say that maynard is a big fan of the psychoanalyst, Carl Jung. His theory of the "shadow" is in this song. Jung argued that the shadow is our alter ego.. everything we hate about ourselves, formed into this despicable dark counterpart of our psyche, that we resent in ourselves.

[FONT=Arial Black]"shadows shedding skin, ive been pickin scabs again.
ive been digging through my old muscles, looking for a clue."[/FONT]

Maynard is saying he is looking through himself, looking at his past and how he has changed, and looking at everything he dislikes in himself, and is now ready to move on. he is saying his shadow is shedding things he used to hate about himself, because he is past all that now and more mature.

[FONT=Arial Black]"ive been crawlin on my belly, clearing out what could have been.
ive been wallowing in my own confused and, insecure delusions"[/FONT]

talking about the past still, realising how stupid he used to be eg. maynard in the army?? lol. clearing out means forgetting old dreams of a conformed lifestyle.

[FONT=Arial Black]"For a piece to cross me over, or a word to guide me in.
I wanna feel the changes coming down.
I wanna know what I've been hiding in, my shadow."[/FONT]

for a piece, i think could mean just a piece of inspiration, be it music, art anything. anything to inspire him to take another look at himself, and the world around him. he is saying he is ready to feel the changes, and ready to face everything he has resented and hidden away in his alter ego, his shadow.

now about the forty-six and two bit. apparently, there used to be this guy who believed that there were three different kinds of humans, with different chromosomes. the aboriginals of australia supposedly has less than us, 36 or something. this being determined by their lifestyle and beliefs. the other group i forget now, but us has 42 and 2 i think*. not important anyway because all humans have the same chromosomes (except for people with down syndrome who are either missing one or have an extra one, i forget now.) but, supposedly we were supposed to evolve, and gain more chromosomes, presenting us with new abilities as humans. a nice theory, but all a lot of bull5hit in reality. but hey, it made for a great song and maynard just used it as an example of evolution in ourselves, and the process of 'individualisation'. another one of jungs theories. This song not being specific to that theory, just using it as a guideline to get his message across.

now, the rest of the song is just about maynard being ready to experience the world in a new light, and to be open to everything the world throws at him. "to be paranoid and to lie". he is even ready to face it when the world throws s hit in his face, or he does things he doesnt want to do like lie. you get the idea, and this is again, an opinion i stole from someone else because i otherwise would have had no fu ck ing clue about this song. i recognised the carl jung stuff though, and if you want to understand the title aenima, and the song aenema, research his stuff. very interesting reading. cheers... :thumb:[/QUOTE]

Just to clear up the part about the chromosomes, aborigines have 44+2, the moajority of us have 44+2, the song is about trying to achieve 46+2.

Another intereseting point at the start is Maynard whispers 'join me, join me my child as we step through the shadow', but it sounds alot like he's saying something about jungian.

As for the very cool bridge, lying, paranoia etc. are the things you give up when you achieve 46+2, at least that's what I think.

Somebody mentioned Message To Harry Manback a while ago. From what I know of it, the story is that it was a prank phonecall that was left one someones answering machine, though whether it was sent or recieved by any memeber of Tool (If at all it was them) is a mystery to me. Although the hidden track on the end of Undertow is a phone message left by Adam as a joke, but still contains some in depth meanings.

[QUOTE=josh_the_drummer]Errrmmm, one very important thing to remember is that all the members of tool have a very very twisted sense of humour. take everything you hear from tool with a pinch of salt. :D[/QUOTE]

Quoted for truth, one thing most people should try and get their heads around before making assumptions

[QUOTE=metally_mental]i agree with stage, my guess would be that tool are atheists. they wouldnt practice what they preach. tool poke fun at all the holes in religion, so they wouldnt worship satan when satan is a product of RELIGION.

Hooker with a ***** is about a tool fan who maynard met at a concert, well that is my understanding. "OGT". i think this is original gangster tool, as in the original fan "from 92' the first ep". i would also like to hear more about H coz i have no idea, its obvious its not about heroin.

Stage, im curious about your take on eulogy. please explain why you think eulogy is about hicks?? i mean the whole "get off your ****ing cross" thing doesnt work for me, seeing as the bands were big fans of bill.

EDIT: i read another post up there, die eier von satan is actually a recipie for hash cookies, lol and when he yells "..und keine eier" that means "and no eggs". looks like ur old man didnt want to tell you what it really meant lol. :D[/QUOTE]

Yeah, It keeps saying "..And no eggs" but the song's title does translate to "the eggs of satan"...I am positive about this...Check it out.

[QUOTE=petrucci_wannabee]Just to clear up the part about the chromosomes, aborigines have 44+2, the moajority of us have 44+2, the song is about trying to achieve 46+2.

Another intereseting point at the start is Maynard whispers 'join me, join me my child as we step through the shadow', but it sounds alot like he's saying something about jungian.

As for the very cool bridge, lying, paranoia etc. are the things you give up when you achieve 46+2, at least that's what I think.[/QUOTE]
ok thanx, i knew it was somewhere around 42/44. one thing though, its impossible to gain more chromosomes scientifically, but a **** good song all the same. i dont think maynard was being very specific about evolution, i think he just used that as a stage to sing about evolution on (if that makes any sense).

yeh most of us know that. but why can't we discuss what the songs/albums mean to us? that's what this thread is about isnt it? it was worth mentioning that though for the people who dont know about tool's humour.

[QUOTE=metally_mental]ok thanx, i knew it was somewhere around 42/44. one thing though, its impossible to gain more chromosomes scientifically, but a **** good song all the same. i dont think maynard was being very specific about evolution, i think he just used that as a stage to sing about evolution on (if that makes any sense).[/QUOTE]

I've not really got time to get into this, but read up on Drunvalo Melchizadek and look at [url]http://www.merkaba.co.il/Grid.htm[/url]

Warning - This s[b][i][/b][/i]hits hard going

Edit - The bit at the bottom is most relevant

"So Danny Carey and MJK basically worship the devil in some sort of sense, because MJK makes fun of Jesus Christ in some songs."

has to be the most abscent minded thing I have ever heard, have you ever heard of the grey area? for instance does me not agreeing with the war on IRAQ make me a suicide bomber, man how can you be such an idiot, sarcasm is the key to most popular acts not excluding tool.

you guys have failed to mention the soundscapes that apear on the lateralus album. Above all else i believe this album has beautiful music, the songs are stretched to creat wonderful sounds that you can truely loose yourself in, Adam Jones is possibley the best digital delay user i have ever heard along with other effects he uses. Just the sound of Maynards voice is so powerful (not the screams) that you dont even have to know what he is saying to aprecieate it.


The lyrical content is a bonus for me :D

^^Well put

i put the words from 'die eir von satan' into a translator and combined with my own knowledge of german this is what you get:


The Eggs/Balls of Satan

Half a cup of powdered sugar
One quarter teaspoon salt
One knifetip Turkish hash
Half a pound butter
One teaspoon vanilla-sugar
Half a pound flour
150 g ground nuts
A little extra powdered sugar
... and no eggs

Place in a bowl
Add butter
Add the ground nuts and
Knead the dough


Form eyeball-size pieces from the dough
Roll in the powdered sugar
and say the Magic Words:
"Sim sala bim bamba sala do saladim"

Place on a greased baking pan and
Bake at 200 degrees for 15 minutes
...AND NO EGGS

Bake at 200 degrees for 15 minutes
...and no eggs.



so... looks like a recipe for delicious 'space cakes'. First person to try it wins a gold sticky star....

[QUOTE=petrucci_wannabee]
As for the very cool bridge, lying, paranoia etc. are the things you give up when you achieve 46+2, at least that's what I think.[/QUOTE]

I look at the song as being about people who are rich, famous, powerful, or whatever, who feel somehow superior to everyone else, as if they were a 'higher being', a being that has a basic advantage and is not as simple as a 44+2 person - they feel unaffected by lying paranoia etc because they have entered the realm of 46+2.

I have to go now but when I come back I will look at the lyrics from this light.

Happy to see my thread, somewhat successful.. I have a few more inputs that I will post around noon, today. [B]"Adam jones is GOD"[/B] great post on "the Patient" that shed some light on a song I never really pondered too hard on.. makes sense though (IMO) anyways keep rockin guys. you'll hear from me later today.

[QUOTE=clearvision]Hey dude, some interesting points there. Didn't maynard say the song wasn't about god and jesus? I know this doesn't affect your interpretation but to get the 'true' meaning sureley we have to look somewhere else. I find this incredibly hard when in the lyrics it mentions crosses :angry:

Well int he first stanza you picked out the lines [I]'he had alot to say, he had alot of nothing to say'[/I] i find these lines could talk about Martin luther king (now to be called MLK) You see he tried to change or reform america into a non racist nation. He had many things to say, which may have become reptitive, hence maynards contradiction.

The next point i recieved from this guy called 'mstajduh' on the toolshed forums. in the line [I]'We need the f*ckin space to nail the next fool martyr [/I] the explanation the guy gave was "He was the one doing the nailing his 95 thesis on the corrupt catholic church in wittenburg" this makes sense, Maynard could be using a complex metaphor, but maybe im mistaken. These are the two main arguments i have. Has anyone got any othe rideas on 'eulogy'?[/QUOTE]

I find it hard to believe that Maynard or Tool would be against anything that Martin Luther King did in his lifetime. The real author of the 95 thesis was Martin Luther an Augustinain (german) monk of the 16th century. He creatred the Lutheran sect of the Catholic Church out of protest of Catholic corruption. He was famous for posting his 95 thesis on the door of the church in Wittenburg and he was also the first ever to translate the Bible to a language besides latin. You should really do some research before posting things you dont know about.

By the way great thread ToolOwnsYou :thumb:

ahh! I never got around to posting yesterday.. oh well i'll complete something before the weekend is over. anyways I just wanted to post something I was thinking about yesterday.. i assume i'm totally off but seemed kinda funny to mention anyways.

When i did my "[URL=http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=211269&page=2&pp=25][COLOR=Red]Stinkfist[/COLOR] [/URL]" thoery I was stuck on what "relax, and take my hand" completely meant, so then I was thinking to myself. if he is "knuckle/fist/elbow deep within the borderline" in order to grab his hand. you must also go deep within the borderline. (unless its the other hand of course) Meaning! That the media is fisting you, and so are you. For believing & participating in all the bullsh*t they put on tv/news/radio etc etc etc.. .

For thoes of you that have no idea what in talking about, go back a few pages, and for the rest of you happy trails...

:evil: