good read....but add powermetal please :)

Also i think you should say in the traditional metal that european/british, and american styles vary greatly (british more focussed on melodic vocals and twin guitar work whereas american usually has more brutal vocals and a distinct separation between rhythm and lead guitars like iced earth and metallica)

^ hm, you're right! I never noticed that!

^^ If that's true, it's likely due to American metal being heavily influenced by the hardcore punk of the time... most of the "American metal" you're referencing has slightly more technical hxc punk guitar for the rhythm parts, and more "traditional European" lead guitars.

Good job Legions. :thumb:
Finally someone agrees with me that Godsmack is not mallcore.

If anyone should do hardcore and all its sub-genres...it should be Bigsby.

Or me in a close second:p

Wow, excellent list there Legions :thumb:
I was always confused about black/death metal...always been a prog-head myself though :)

[QUOTE=Nazi Bassist]I've always said Tool was their own genre anyway :D[/QUOTE]

I would completely agree :chug:

[QUOTE=LordDargon][SIZE=7]DARK F[SIZE=7]U[/SIZE]CKING ANGEL![/SIZE]

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Just settle down, hey?

MetalCore:

a subgenre of hardcore (the most brutal from of punk), vocals are screamed and music is fast and simple. Usually very Metal-ish riffs and breakdowns sometimes containing pinch harmonics, with the structure of hardcore songs. Bands include Atreyu, early Avenged Sevenfold, from autumn to ashes, Poison the well.

Hair Metal:

80's pop metal. Typical party music, vocals are sung cleanly and cheesy backing vocals shouted by about 5 or 6 guys are generally evident. Hair metal is highly focused on image, hence the name. Big hair, spandex and high amounts of make up are big factors that make up the hair metal image. Lyrical topics generally include girls, love, partying, cars etc. Guitar riffs are usually simple and cheesy, drums are simple and so is bass. there are usually cheesy show-off guitar solos throughout hair-metal songs as well. Bands include Motley Crue, Poison, Ratt, Van Halen and twisted sister.

^ Van Halen aren't hair metal, brah. They were before it. Other hair metal bands: Skid Row, Autograph, Dokken, Def Leppard, Nelson etc.

Neo classical metal; Bands that encompass the influence of both classical compositions and traditional heavy metal elements into their music. Neo-classical metal is usually very melodic, and the musicianship is very high. Neo-classical metal had the height of it's popularity during the 1980's. Key bands: early Ozzy Osbourne, Yngwie Malmsteen, early Symphony X (also filed under prog-metal, whilst the huge classical influence is there), Stratovarius, Angra etc.

Funk metal: Bands that make use of both metal and funk elements into their music. The songs are usually driven by a slap funk bass line, with crunchy, palm muted metallic guitars. The drums are usually funk based, and the vocals are either rapped or shouted. Funk metal had an undeniably huge influence upon rock music of the last ten years. Key Bands: Infectious Grooves, RATM (heavier than rap rock ie RHCP), Electric Boys etc

Alternative Metal:

A form of metal which can encompass many other sub-genres of metal itself, or sounds from completely different genres. Usually bands which are harder to place ( ie. dont really resemble DM,Black Metal, Prog, Power...) on the metal spectrum are considered alternative metal.

These are [I]some[/I] bands which I consider alternative metal. Correct me if you disagree
Tomahawk, Deftones, A Perfect Circle, Tool, Fantomas, Helmet, Faith No More, Mr Bungle, (early) Incubus, Oceansize(sometimes), System of A Down.

[QUOTE=deftoned]^ Van Halen aren't hair metal, brah. They were before it. Other hair metal bands: Skid Row, Autograph, Dokken, Def Leppard, Nelson etc.

Neo classical metal; Bands that encompass the influence of both classical compositions and traditional heavy metal elements into their music. Neo-classical metal is usually very melodic, and the musicianship is very high. Neo-classical metal had the height of it's popularity during the 1980's. Key bands: early Ozzy Osbourne, Yngwie Malmsteen, early Symphony X (also filed under prog-metal, whilst the huge classical influence is there), Stratovarius, Angra etc.

Funk metal: Bands that make use of both metal and funk elements into their music. The songs are usually driven by a slap funk bass line, with crunchy, palm muted metallic guitars. The drums are usually funk based, and the vocals are either rapped or shouted. Funk metal had an undeniably huge influence upon rock music of the last ten years. Key Bands: Infectious Grooves, RATM (heavier than rap rock ie RHCP), Electric Boys etc[/QUOTE]

You can basically file neo classical metal under powermetal. I see it more as an influence rather than a genre.

a mod should go in and delete the other meaningless posts (including this one) so that we can just have a list of the important genres from marduk, axeslinga etc...

[QUOTE=DoktorShred]You can basically file neo classical metal under powermetal. I see it more as an influence rather than a genre.[/QUOTE]
True, but I still see a distinct difference between Yngwie and Ozzy to Iced Earth. The influences are similar, but I still think there's a difference, but the genres do overlap.

[QUOTE=deftoned]True, but I still see a distinct difference between Yngwie and Ozzy to Iced Earth. The influences are similar, but I still think there's a difference, but the genres do overlap.[/QUOTE]

I dont consider iced earth even remotely neo classical or powermetal...

[url]http://www.metal-reference.com/preface.html[/url]

[QUOTE=chimairaforlife]a mod should go in and delete the other meaningless posts (including this one) so that we can just have a list of the important genres from marduk, axeslinga etc...[/QUOTE]

Either that, or Marduk should copy them all into his original post. Either way, we need to have ALL the definitions before it happens.

Gothic Metal (I'm no metal expert, so someone do another one if mines inaccurate):

Gothic metal is an extension of Gothic Rock, which originated around the early 80s. The godfathers of gothic rock were Joy Divison. Gothic Metal is often very atmospheric and includes female vocals and keyboards very often (though not always). Gothic Metal takes the bleak and icy atmospherics of Gothic Rock, and mixes them with the aggression and loud instruments of Metal. Lyrics are often (but not always) about religion, romantic issues, mysticism and horror. Gothic music has a dress style, which was mainly taken from post punk bands of the 70s, such as The Cure and Siouxie and the Banshees. Bands include: Nightwish, Lacuna Coil, (arguably) Evanescence, The Gathering and Type O Negative.

[QUOTE=DoktorShred]I dont consider iced earth even remotely neo classical or powermetal...[/QUOTE]
I consider them to be power, and I was saying that they don't sound like neo classical, ie early Ozzy.

I would really like a good definition of Hardcore. I'm still unsure what exactly it encompasses.

REAL, ORIGINAL HARDCORE: Bands that had the punk sound and attitude, but with faster and slightly heavier guitars. The songs were usually very short and more brutal than punk. Vocals were usually shouted, fast guitars, usually 3 chords, and very quick basslines. The drumming is very frenetic and wild, and the movement began in Washington D.C. in the early 80s. Key Bands: Black Flag, Cro Mags, Minor Threat, Discharge, Crass etc.

"NU-HARDCORE": Get BuddyBigsby to write you a defintion, hes the new hardcore guru.

EDIT: The new hardcore music is the opposite of what the original hardcore set out to do..it was to bring music back to the basic 1 minute songs (punk anyone?). Newer hardcore encompasses 4 minute songs (usually) with heavy growls and heavier guitars. NH is known for it's use of "breakdowns", which usually involve swirling guitars, and softer vocals, as a replacement for solos, in some instances. NH is very popular with teenagers (mostly male) now a days.

That clears up alot.

Are you being sarcastic..or..?

[QUOTE=morten][url]http://www.metal-reference.com/preface.html[/url][/QUOTE]

Good reference. I think that if anyone still has questions, this site explains it very well. Dargon, I think they mentioned Dark Angel in Thrash, so don't worry.

^ He may have added it. It wasn't there before.

I just don't want the greatest thrash band of all time to be left out.+

Tangy:


These are some bands which I consider alternative metal. Correct me if you disagree
Tomahawk, Deftones, A Perfect Circle, Tool, Fantomas, Helmet, Faith No More, Mr Bungle, (early) Incubus, Oceansize(sometimes), System of A Down.

Faith No more and Incubus ( yes the early) are funk metal definately

Deftones and SOAD fit more into nu-metal if you ask me. Please don't sap nu-metal of the few good artists it has by classifying them as something else.

[QUOTE=epifreak2002]Deftones and SOAD fit more into nu-metal if you ask me. Please don't sap nu-metal of the few good artists it has by classifying them as something else.[/QUOTE]
This is a problem I have with the way people view nu-metal. They see it as an insult to be labelled nu-metal, and any bands they like that fit the nu-metal criteria they automatically label as something else. There are good nu-metal bands, just like there are bad ones, accept it and move on.

I wouldnt put Slipknot and Mudvayne in the Nu-Metal catagory. Even tho they are newer bands, they both have Talent, unlike System of a Down, Linkin Park and P.O.D. I like to think of them as different, not crap.

^^^ I disagree :thumb:

Deftones, whilst retaining the "typical" song structure, can be more brutal, and also more articulate than standard nu-metal. This has won Maynard over for them, who's a big fan. Deftones also draw from more obscure influences: ie the Smiths, Depeche Mode etc.

I would put Slipknot and Mudvayne as nu-metal, even though Mudvayne is more technical than say, Linkin Park, their fan base is pretty much the same. This is unfortunately why Deftones are lumped as nu-metal, but Deftones are still a step above the rest :thumb:

I call Deftones [I]alternative-metal[/I], I hate to see them in the same category as Linkin Park, Trapt, Nickelback etc...

Yeah I do too, but I'm explaining why most people call them nu-metal :( Because unfortunately their fan base is similar. Deftones are more complex, artistic, lyrically binded, and more talented than Linkin Park etc. :thumb: I know you've always been a big Deftones fan!

The Black Metal one was perfect.

[QUOTE=deftoned]Yeah I do too, but I'm explaining why most people call them nu-metal :( Because unfortunately their fan base is similar. Deftones are more complex, artistic, lyrically binded, and more talented than Linkin Park etc. :thumb: I know you've always been a big Deftones fan![/QUOTE]


That's why I said [B]don't[/B] take away the few good nu-metal bands out there because that's what Deftones are, nu-metal. Like it or not, nu-metal is a valid genre, and refusing to label a band as nu-metal simply because they are technically proficient, creative, or intelligent lyrically defies the very genre system to its roots. There have always been genre benders, bands who fit best into a particular genre but stray outside of it, and that's essentially what Deftones are for nu-metal. Also, listen to Slipknot, Deftones, and then Incubus and tell me that the Deftones fit better with Incubus than Slipknot.

^^^ Some good points.

The Deftones do fit bitter with Incubus than Slipknot..(I'm being serious here). Deftones and Incubus are move innovative than bands such as Slipknot, and while they're not the same, they're closer than Deftones and Slipknot. I know Deftones fit into nu-metal, but also break out of the traditional mould, so it's what you call it.

really good list. thanx a lot Legions!!
where would a band like orphaned land fit in the genres?

wow I'm learning a lot here... can anyone classify what genre Finger Eleven fits into? I know their latest album leans towards nu-metal, but their older stuff is quite different...

[QUOTE=deftoned]I consider them to be power, and I was saying that they don't sound like neo classical, ie early Ozzy.[/QUOTE]Ozzy is neoclassical? I beg to differ. His music sounds nothing like Yngwie Malmsteen.