^ You sound more like a Nazi Drummer to me, what with the "intro solo" in Ticks and Leeches. It's only on drums, right?

[QUOTE=YDload]^ You sound more like a Nazi Drummer to me, what with the "intro solo" in Ticks and Leeches. It's only on drums, right?[/QUOTE]

How does that make me a Nazi Drummer?

Yes, the intro solo is done on drums...it's a drum solo...

^ Because you were discussing the merits of the drum parts instead of the instrument which your user name would suggest that you like...

Well, as a bassist, I'll be one to freely admit the bassline of Ticks and Leeches is not that hard, nor is it that good

[QUOTE=Nazi Bassist]Well, as a bassist, I'll be one to freely admit the bassline of Ticks and Leeches is not that hard, nor is it that good[/QUOTE]

I agree with you, but most people would have a hard time saying that about the drum part. :thumb:

*danny carey is genious for creating that pattern*

[QUOTE=Bartender]Heh...in brief;

in 1581, a Dr called John Dee (a renaissance type - mathematician, philosopher, astrologer, scientist in one) was employed as a mathematician in the English royal court. Can't quite remember how (and can't find the book to check), but he ended up being interested in divination and magic, so he and his medium (Edward Kelley) started communing with angels and such. Enochian was the language dictated to Kelley by the angels and deciphered by Dee - Dee also developed it into the Enochian system of magic and invocation(I remember theres a story told by whoever did the foreword for the book about a group he was with who were into this kinda thing who managed a communication with an angel called Laidrom), which has been used as a basis for magicks ever since - if you know who Aleister Crowley is (most serious Tool fans seem to), he used Enochian (theres even some of his recordings in Enochian available on CD).

Enochian was also apparently used by Elizabeth's (the queen in Dee's time) and some later monarchs' secret security force, as a coded language.[/QUOTE]


It seems like Blair from Toolband is trying to push occult theories onto fans of tool, which is too bad, it probably turns many off to this great band. You don't have to dabble in the occult to be a serious Tool fan. The band encourages you to question yourself and your beliefs, but you don't have to dive into something like that. You can enjoy the music and not have to do a lot of research; music shouldn't turn into homework.
Great CD though, my favorite track is Reflection, just for Maynard's creative singing. Great drumming throughout, especially on Ticks and Leeches.

[QUOTE=ieatalotoftacos]You don't have to dabble in the occult to be a serious Tool fan. The band encourages you to question yourself and your beliefs, but you don't have to dive into something like that. You can enjoy the music and not have to do a lot of research; music shouldn't turn into homework.
[/QUOTE]

er...when did I say you did?

It just happens that I did, and the only reason I posted anything about the book/theories was because craigmac asked. If you read the review, I didn't talk about anything outside music and lyrics.

I consider myself a serious fan of Tool, but I really don't get into the occult or the Enochian or some of the other stuff that surrounds Tool...*shrug* it's not necessary to enjoy, or even analyze the music

But did you know Aleister Crowley was?

[QUOTE=Bartender]But did you know Aleister Crowley was?[/QUOTE]

Heard the name mentioned...I have no idea who he/she is :p

oh my god

^er, yeah, thanks for that...

[QUOTE=Nazi Bassist]
Heard the name mentioned...I have no idea who he/she is :p[/QUOTE]

Fair enough...I just meant that most of the serious Tool fans I knew at the time (which was and still is lamentably few) all knew about the stuff the band liked. I looked into it a little, but never investigated it too deeply.

[QUOTE=Bartender]^er, yeah, thanks for that...



Fair enough...I just meant that most of the serious Tool fans I knew at the time (which was and still is lamentably few) all knew about the stuff the band liked. I looked into it a little, but never investigated it too deeply.[/QUOTE]

Tool fans have gotten a bad rap by critics/idiots as being these overly intellectual people who dabble in all sorts of weird sh*t for the sake of being "weird" or "enlightened". I wouldn't mind looking more into the philosophies of Tool a bit more, but...it doesn't consume every fiber of my being like it does some Toolophiles

Tool fans also get a bad rep because, in a twist of irony, their blind devotion to a band that praises open-mindedness means that they boo opening acts at Tool's shows (including Tomahawk and Meshuggah) and refuse to accept others' opinions that Tool is not the greatest band in history.

Yeah, I like Tool, but I have some grounding in reality too.

[QUOTE=YDload]Tool fans also get a bad rep because, in a twist of irony, their blind devotion to a band that praises open-mindedness means that they boo opening acts at Tool's shows (including Tomahawk and Meshuggah) and refuse to accept others' opinions that Tool is not the greatest band in history.

Yeah, I like Tool, but I have some grounding in reality too.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, that's another thing. Tool is not the greatest band in history...however they have had the greatest effect on my life, muscially, etc. So. Whoo. :cool:

^Exactly. A great band, but not gods. I'm glad some people understand!

[QUOTE=YDload]^Exactly. A great band, but not gods. I'm glad some people understand![/QUOTE]

I beg to differ. Danny is a god of drumming. Maynard is a demi-god of singing...and Adam and Justin are just da[color=white]m[/color]n good at what they do. :cool:

This, however, does not mean that there aren't other good bands. Tool is NOT the end-all

whos the asshole who gave it a 3.5?
This album kicks unmeasureable ***
5/5
if you dont have it, buy it

I lvoe this CD. I'm too lazy to review it.

I created an acoustic version of lateralus for one guitar only. Very awesome but very different than the original.

Whoa....must hear

^Yeah, any chance of a posting in the Audio Arena?

I shall try, I need to borrow my bands recorder for it. lots of harmonics.

I'd love to hear that acoustic version man... that would be very interesting...

This album is pure excellence, such a masterpeice. It lured me into Tool a while back and still to this day is in my top 5 favorite albums. Its dark in some areas, then its powerful and bold the next. Maynard really knows how to express his lyrics very well , Tick & Leeches for example. Also, me being a drummer.. I am a HUGE fan of Danny, I've learned how he plays and Ive developed some of his style into my own drumming, his drumming is so technical yet awesome, and as for Adam and Justin they just wouldn't be Tool without them.

5/5 for the best progressive metal album in my book.

This is my favorite CD ever...because of the real songs, there are no bad moments at all...except one...where Triad is listed as being 8:46 but really ends at like 6:39 or something :upset:

Disposition/Reflection are good. I don't like the rest of the songs on this album.

apparently, Triad doesn't end there.

if you have an HDCD player, there are some hidden stuff or something. i dunno where i heard that, probably bull, but i know for definate it is a HDCD.

I knew it was an HDCD but I dunno

Anyone have an HDCD player? Anyone want to test this out for us?

Good review but Tool is just a boring band.

If you don't like them, write a review about it don't just say it.

I hold no regard for that man's opinions, and neither should any of you

Although Aenima will always be my favorite, but Lateralus is an unbelievable record. They showed great maturity in the composition/songrwriting, and I love their new grooves. Triad is one of the highlights music wise for me. Although all the songs are great, as are all Tool songs ive heard.

btw there is another show that I was at in Ft. Lauderdale that Tool played Ticks and Leeches live. They played it great (as per usual) and between that show and another one in tallahasse me and my brother have seen all of lateralus live.:thumb: There is a ****ty vid on kazaa somewhere of it.

My band did a version of the Patient. Its on our soundclick site
[url]http://www.soundclick.com/bands/9/markmattermusic.htm[/url] :thumb:

I have said video of them doing T&L live

Poor quality, but it sounds like Maynard did a great job with it

I think I have the FT Lauderdale video of Ticks and Leeches as well, where they announce they're gonna play something special, as it's their last night being supported by Fantomas?

I didn't think it was Fantomas they were being supported by...maybe though, it's been a while since I've watched it

But yeah, Maynard does say they were going to play something special for whoever was supporting them...something bout it never being played either...I think

EDIT: "This is the last show we're doing with our friends, Fantomas...so we wanted to dedicate a song to them that we don't normally do...it's called 'Buzz has a hairlift' :confused: ? "

Ticks and Leeches has one of the few screams in all music I not only cna stand but enjoy. It's mixed perfectly to not come out above the music but be part of it and its not a crackly scream, its a smooth one (or as smooth as you can get).

[QUOTE=The JoZ]I didn't think it was Fantomas they were being supported by...maybe though, it's been a while since I've watched it

But yeah, Maynard does say they were going to play something special for whoever was supporting them...something bout it never being played either...I think

EDIT: "This is the last show we're doing with our friends, Fantomas...so we wanted to dedicate a song to them that we don't normally do...it's called 'Buzz has a hairlift' :confused: ? "[/QUOTE]


I think it was buzz has a hairlip, referring to Buzz Melvin of the Melvins. They were also on the tour, My fuzzy memory cant recall if the melvins were at that particular show, but i think they were. I saw them 4 times in Florida, with Fantomas, Melvins and Tomahawk opening. I know they played a tune for buzz's bday, might have been third eye.

Lateralus is one of the best albums EVER created. as for my favourite song "THE GRUDGE" is clearly the best song.

I love Triad its such an awesome instrumental song, I also like Parabola, maynard has excellent vocals,

great review :thumb:

Your review in my opinion gives all the credit that is due to Tool. I cannot wait for their new album to come out, I hope it is even more outstanding than Lateralus in both lyrical and instrumental aspects. Tool has done a true service to all true music fans by putting their heart and soul into their albums, this really shows on Lateralus. As for the sound at the beginning of The Grudge it reminds me of an elevator and as far as i know "Faaip de Oaid" does mean Voice of God.

Fans of earlier Tool be wary of this. While "Ænima" and "Undertow" are excellent hard rock records, "Lateralus" is an exercise in how [i]not[/i] to do progressive rock. There are 2 good songs, "Parabol/a" and "Lateralis," and that's all. The rest of the album is a snooze, a bunch of prententious artsy farts attempting progressive rock and falling about a mile short. The gimmicky time signatures, the long drawn out instrumental (read sparse and boring) passages, etc, it's all from the book prog. What they forgot is to apply these ideas to good music, like so many bands (like King Crimson, who they seem to be a bit obsessed with) have before them. They lack the maturity and singular vision to conceive an album like this, and it shows on all the tracks besides the 2 I mentioned. 2/5.