[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by thee unsound [/i]
[B]Rooster: errr i guess you don't know much about nirvana there buddy :) bleach was released before any cd, so yah... unplugged was done much later.. anyways he sings high in a lot of songs, ie. pretty noose, superunknown, and in audioslave he sings pretty high in cochise. His solo stuff kinda sucked (from what I've heard) i never listened to it much.[/B][/QUOTE]

No no!! I know full well that Bleach was their first, it's just the fact I had electric guitar accompaniment rather than accoustic that I'd be trying to sing that version. Erm, this is kinda confusing for both of us so I'll leave the issue of About a girl.

Yeah, come to think of it, Cochise is high as hell, I've pretty much always just screamed that song or sung it quieter and deeper, I don't think I could go that high properly, seems I can go higher with screams. Which I guess is pretty normal;)

Your posts are really helpful dude, thanks. My teacher is female by the way, but I now have another who's a male, but he's gonna have me singing classical.:upset:

Hey Thee, thnx for the new whispering falsetta scream discription. Since my voice is so high to begin with my scream sound alot like Bert Mckracken from The Used. I can sound just like him in all the songs and really dead on in Poetic Tragedy at the end of it. I did it right too cuz i was still able to sing about 4/5 of my full potential, i guess itll get better as i do it right? I still have yet to hit that Nate Barcelow from Finch scream. Im gonna keep at it though, i wont be happy till i can do it all!!!!!!!

Thnx alot though Thee, you dont even know how much you helped me. All my doctors told me to stop screaming cuz it was gonna fry my voice (i screamed thru my diaphram) but i couldnt stop cuz it would change the entire wasy i sing. So REALLY, thnx man.

rooster: classical isn't bad... I took classical and jazz in university last year, but it really wasn't my thing. I remember at my examinations they said i was too "hollywood" ... wtf does that mean lol. If you like it do it, if you don't I'd look for another teacher, its way too much money to spend on soemthing you're not interested in.

symphony: hey no problem man, the more you practise it the better it will get. After a while you'll be able to get volume and you won't be so dependant on the mic--and the best thing is it doesn't hurt your voice! Eventually you will learn different ways to tweak it, just little things here and there that are kind of impossible to explain in writing, so you will be able to do different styles of it. So good luck, hopefully soon I can post some of my bands stuff so you guys can here my screams, It'd be great if you could post some of your stuff :)

Yeah that would be good. I can scream kinda like Geoff from Thursday. But i cant sing that well which really pisses me off. Do you have any good vocal exercises to maybe get my voice up to what it should be? Plus, can't wait for to hear your band.

Lol, man i had a mixture of singing in the car and choir. The main you would need help with is breathing. Thee can prolly helpe you out with that. The main thing i would say is PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE!!!! Never overdrive your voice either, just sing as loud as you can with distorting the sound. Eventually youll get the presence and the sound you want. Mostly i would say suck it up and pay for a few vocal lessons and just use the lessons on your own. Later.......

I ment as loud as you can WITHOUT distorting your voice. ;)

there is an edit button you know ;)

oh and thee unsound, i'm doing what you said, but i can only create freakishly high sounds that sound like horror movie sound effects. help?

i am a mid to high baritone by the way, if that makes any difference

use the mixture between your whisper/falcetto voice instead of the just falcetto voice, it toughens it up a bit. Its the technique i am using now. Also make sure you are screaming on the exhale, and not the inhale, screaming on the inhale sounds scary and wierd and really really really f*cks up your voice.

Once again, how do i scream like In Flames - The Jesters Race?

one way i learned how to scream is just scream the alphabet. that would help a lot. get used to screaming the sounds of the letter too. !!!!

TheUnavoidable: Listened to the song, it seems to me its the same sort of technique used in the fear factory stuff. This isn't my forte` but as i posted earlier you can't really use your falcetto here... the voice also sounds like its tweaked a bit in the studio. Anyways in an earlier post I said to use your diaphram, but I also recently discovered if you use the "whisper voice" in correlation with your diaphram you can get a NICE tone going. Look on page 2 and read the bit i wrote to that guy about the fear factory scream. All the other technique should be the same... im not sure what else to say :)

if you want to check out some great scream singing with wide range, check out The Dillenger Escape Plan and Between the Buried and Me. Their cd release show is in Charlotte at tremont music hall this month :D

what about tick tacks?

ok, seriously now. when i add more whisper into my scream it just layers a whisper hiss on top of the freaky falsetto scream. when i do it completely whisper, it sounds a little closer to something like deftones, but still not close, and it's not even a scream... i need to get this down...

you just have to practise, lol, it doesn't come right away for most people... i know it can work, use a microphone if you can't get the volume you want, eventually you won't be so dependant on it.

yeah, i guess, i just don't really know how to do it right... oh well, i'll try to find a voice teacher.

when you do it right, is it supposed to hurt your throat a bit or not?

not really dude, i mean obviously its going to be irritated a little after doing it for 20 or 30 minutes straight. But unless your in a band where you scream all the time (since im not) its never been my problem. I scream in only about 15%-20% of a song. So i never have to scream more than 20 seconds at a time. A voice teacher is deffinately good.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by thee unsound [/i]
[B]TheUnavoidable: Listened to the song, it seems to me its the same sort of technique used in the fear factory stuff. This isn't my forte` but as i posted earlier you can't really use your falcetto here... the voice also sounds like its tweaked a bit in the studio. Anyways in an earlier post I said to use your diaphram, but I also recently discovered if you use the "whisper voice" in correlation with your diaphram you can get a NICE tone going. Look on page 2 and read the bit i wrote to that guy about the fear factory scream. All the other technique should be the same... im not sure what else to say :) [/B][/QUOTE]

Thanks. I too suspect there is some studio altering going on, and i have heard the song live and he doesn't have the same "low end."

Hmmm ...
Can Anyone here scream like Matt Bellamy of Muse or Mike PAtton ?
If so ... How.

hey dude, is the screaming at the gates - captor of sin(slayer cover) done b the same technique as the one you told me earlier?

lol, do i have to listen to every single band? When i get home I'll listen to it oblin. Most likely it is. My band just did a show, and we did a live recording, soon I will post my scream for you guys :) it sounded pretty sick!

Hey,
I would like to be able to do a Steven Tyler from Aerosmith type scream. Im going to be doing "Dream On" soon, and need to be able to hit the scream at the very end of the song. I actually take lessons from Tyler's coach, but I would like your take on how to produce it. I don't really understand your instructions either. I've got the posture and everything down, but what kind of things do I need to do in my throat or to my larynx or whatever to actually produce the scream?

Steven tyler eh? That shouldn't be to hard to do, I don't know how to make it any clearer than what I said, its just about pushing (psychotically hard) your whipser/falsetto voice, and knowing how to use a microphone effectively. What is it you don't understand? There shouldn't be any REAL strain on your voice doing it, I mean your throat will hurt a little, after doing an hour or so set, but nothing serious.

Thanks. I just didn't read it right, sorry about that. Thanks a lot again

When I scream, afterwards my voice kills me. My voice sounds a little sketchy and my throat hurts a little. And it also prevents me from singing in high notes. I scream from my gut and my throat. Maybe i am doing it wrong? I've been drinking honey and lemon juice to help my throat. Any suggetions?

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Although honey and lemon is good for your throat when you are sick, before you sing it is a REALLY bad idea. As I have posted early any fruit that is acidic is bad for you before you sing... lemon is probably the most :)

I find ANYTIME you sing from your gut and your throat you are putting your vocal chords at risk... and from my point of view it is always a bad idea, I have never heard or seen a method of this kind of screaming style that will not result in severe strain.

I have posted numerous times how to do it the only way i know how which is using your falsetto/whisper voice, so it feels like your singing right at the TOP of your mouth... as apposed to in your throat and gut. Eventually with a lot of practise you can get a decent low metal scream (though never as good as a gut scream, but its pretty damm close), or a high pitched one... and you won't end up killing your voice.

Re: Screaming... some pointers
 

[QUOTE][i]Note: Kurt Cobain "screaming" isn't screaming, its aggresive pitched singing and isn't something you can reallyteach, If you can't hit those notes you can't hit them. Its like asking someone to teach you to have a higher voice. Its true with a lot of practise you can increase your vocal range, but in most cases you are pretty much stuck with what you got. If you have a crummy deep voice like scott stapp of creed lol don't expect to be doing and cobain screams any time soon. [/B][/QUOTE]




thats just lots of smoking aswell........ it screws up your vocal chords and you sound really raspy when you sing at a loud volume. not shouting, but singing loud.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Griffin_Page [/i]
[B]I wanna yell like Tom Araya. [/B][/QUOTE]






easy. its just a combo of yelling and screaming. just yell and make your voice go a tiny bit deeper. then match the pitch

[QUOTE][i]3) avoid drinking milk: I know the guy in the other forum said to drink milk before you do a scream... I can see why this would be important if you are doing an improper technique that hurts your vocal chords... however assuming you are following my instructions milk will just build up a HUGE amount of mucus in your mouth. After about 30 minutes of your set you might start coughing it up between songs like an idiot or worse during a song.[/B][/QUOTE]

i drink milk. i dont f*ck up my voice, and i also use proper technique. i talk fine, sing fine, scream fine, etc.

In Just a moment i'll tell you about the deep death metal screaming, but first:


electron - the baginning of the silent scream is just a high pithced cannibal corpse type thing.

chewbacca - all he bends over for is to keep a longer scream, and all it does is push more aair out of your stomache.

doll - all manson does is the kurt cobain thing. read my other reply above to see.


CANNIBAL CORPSE SCREAMING!!!::::

ok. first off, try talking like darth vader. so your addam's apple goes IN. then make your voice go raspy.and push LOTS of air out. if you want to go lower, turn your tounge sideways. pronunciation will be hard, but it works. also, to go LOWER than that, put your tounge on the roof of your mouth as of your going "LLLLLLLLLLLLLLL"

it will sound normal. trust me.

DYING FETUS SCREAM:

haha. hard to explain, so try and stay level with me. all you do is scream inwards (breahte inwards and close your throat) then do the cannibal corpse thing inwards. like siad. hard to explain, but owrht it when you figure it out.

thats about the best i can explain it. now if you'll excuse me, i have to go belt out with some cannibal corpse. c ya.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by rayce [/i]
[B]i drink milk. i dont f*ck up my voice, and i also use proper technique. i talk fine, sing fine, scream fine, etc. [/B][/QUOTE]

I didn't say "don't drink milk ever" it was in the context as "right before a show I wouldn't drink milk".

Mainly because milk causes large mucus buildup in your mouth and if you are screaming you could end up spiting a lot and yeah... and feeling like you have to clear your throat all the time.

If you don't have this problem cheers, thats good for you! I just found with a lot of singers, and teachers I have had, have had this problem and was just passing some advice.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by rayce [/i]
[B]
DYING FETUS SCREAM:

haha. hard to explain, so try and stay level with me. all you do is scream inwards (breahte inwards and close your throat) then do the cannibal corpse thing inwards. like siad. hard to explain, but owrht it when you figure it out. [/B][/QUOTE]

Be careful, inward screaming is... :rolleyes: well its hard to do well without really hurting your throat, I have tried it and always end up really hurting or irratating my throat badly and not able to sing for a few days. I'd stay away from it unless you absolutely must do this style...

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Screamin_Demon_Auz [/i]
[B]Im having a horrible time trying to produce this **** scream. Im only 13, i'll be 14 in 2 months, and have been taking lessons for just under 6 months. Are there any good exercises at getting a scream sound, or even adding rasp to falsetto or anything other than just screaming at the top of your lungs. I end up getting this quick tickle kind of feeling then I choke when I just scream. [/B][/QUOTE]

dude, i'm 14. its harsh stuff, ya. and it does tickle for a little bit there. it takes a while, but you'll eventually develope the way around it.......... took me a solid 4 hours and passing out twice to get it lol. and s for the whole milk thing, sorry, ugess i shoulda read it twice. as for rasp in a falsetto, if you mean AC(lightning bolt)DC kinda stuff, best to do that, is smoke. but if ya smoke, you wont be able to sing ALL that well, you still could, but if you get lucky, you end up like kurt cobain. and inward screaming and being able to sing after, i find kinda odd the way i do it. i dont screw myself up doing it (by the way Chino from the deftones paralyzed a vocal chord inward screaming lol) just open your throat as much as you can. another hard to explain.i'd post a sound clip but you cant post sound clips on here.

well the scream im going after is something like steven tyler or maybe even sebastian bach. i don't smoke, and never will. i do like ac/dc, but thats the last kind of voice i want lol!

Deftones
 

I heard someone say Chino screams inward,how do you do that?(BTW I thought he dropped a lung...)I can scream like Chad Gray(Mudvayne),but I can't figure out screaming inward....any help?:smoke: :smoke: :smoke:

Re: Deftones
 

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Bleached515 [/i]
[B]I heard someone say Chino screams inward,how do you do that?(BTW I thought he dropped a lung...)I can scream like Chad Gray(Mudvayne),but I can't figure out screaming inward....any help?:smoke: :smoke: :smoke: [/B][/QUOTE]

Chino does not scream inward, that is bullsh*t, i can produce a pretty good chino scream and its not with inward screaming. I know he inhales the way you do during an inward scream, which means he does not use his diaphram, but that doesn't really affect the way he sounds too much. The method I have posted earlier can be used to reproduce this sound.

As for the steven tyler post, :| read above plz.

and you don't have to smoke to develope that kind of voice, anybody who says that is an idiot. Its about developing a style, if you want to sound raspy you can learn to do that after you learn how to sing. for vocal singing exercises i have another thread called singing... some pointers.

Thanks
 

Thanks,I didn't really know what the **** inward screaming was anyway.Wait doesn't Serj do soemthing like that? Or so I've been told.And was I right earlier about Chino,didn't he drop a lung before they recorded White Pony?I never heard of him paralyzing a vocal chord..

I know how to inward scream, but its retarded and the sound you get resembles a dying chicken screaming in pain...

plus it f*cks up your vocal chords, so I am not going to post the technique in doing it. I wouldn't be suprised if Chino did do that, :| he always seems to go the extra mile screaming wise.

I wanna sing like Bert McCracken becuase he has a awsome voice..he can go from hardcore screaming to a nice singing voice its so kool...Does ne1 else lov The USed??