[QUOTE=Laetus;19022687]I think DT serves to prove, that even though you're a talented musician, you can still write a whole lot of shit. Think that's my position on this.[/QUOTE]

That's pretty much my view of things, yeah.

[QUOTE=Laetus;19022687]I think DT serves to prove, that even though you're a talented musician, you can still write a whole lot of shit. Think that's my position on this.[/QUOTE]

well, to be a talented musician you also need to have a deep appreciation for music...not simply to wow 11 year olds. Progressive rock is musically restless and unless you have a penchant for decided concept you come off like Dream Theater...which in my mind is equitable to a vibrating block of cheese

Still needs more votes, however there's a pretty clear tendency.

but really, it's subjective

[QUOTE=SugarCoatedSour;19022954]well, to be a talented musician you also need to have a deep appreciation for music...not simply to wow 11 year olds. Progressive rock is musically restless and unless you have a penchant for decided concept you come off like Dream Theater...which in my mind is equitable to a vibrating block of cheese[/QUOTE]

Well, I prefer Rush over anything else - they've never disappointed me. They make great stories. Which is really what I want from prog. It must tell a story both lyrical and musical, while at the same time, catering to the theoretical musician in me by being f'ing advanced, and the practical musician, by being f'ing groovy and listenable.

Dream Theater only caters to the theoretical musician inside of me, which is why I find them bland. And if you look past the instrumental side of DT - then we have James LaBrie, and I simply loathe his voice..

I, however, completely agree with you. To be a talented musician you must have a deep appreciation for music.

Oh, and I complete agree with Mardy.. It's subjective - people can agree and disagree, but really, it comes down to personal taste and preferable sound.

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[QUOTE=Laetus;19023978]Well, I prefer Rush over anything else - they've never disappointed me. They make great stories. Which is really what I want from prog. It must tell a story both lyrical and musical, while at the same time, catering to the theoretical musician in me by being f'ing advanced, and the practical musician, by being f'ing groovy and listenable.

Dream Theater only caters to the theoretical musician inside of me, which is why I find them bland. And if you look past the instrumental side of DT - then we have James LaBrie, and I simply loathe his voice..

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I'm guessing you're talking about something along the lines of concept albums? Have you checked out DT's Octavarium? The only album that no one here has mentioned, yet still goes down as probably their best. From start to finish that album feels as complete as a concept album should.

No I don't think DT is overrated. Maybe sometimes it's more a technical demonstration than songs.
I really like bands like Rush and Symphony X too.

[QUOTE=CalcNinja;19025745]I'm guessing you're talking about something along the lines of concept albums? Have you checked out DT's Octavarium? The only album that no one here has mentioned, yet still goes down as probably their best. From start to finish that album feels as complete as a concept album should.[/QUOTE]

Octavarium isn't a bad album and I don't disagree with you - but it wouldn't ever come close to standing toe to toe with anything Rush has ever made, in my opinion, of course.

When I say DT serves to prove that you can be a talented musician and still write a whole lot of shit, I'm not refering to everything they've made. If you dive deep enough into their pile of dung - you'll find a couple of diamonds.

I hate how people keep comparing bands just because they were influenced by them. They're not trying to copy whatever who else did but people are always like "Yeah they're ok but this band will never beat so and so." If DT got published before Rush than it'd be "Rush is overrated and DT's the tits, man."

I don't like everything DT has put out but Octavarium is one of favorite albums ever and Myung is fuckin beast.

dream theater is ghey really hard

[QUOTE=CalcNinja;19026465]I hate how people keep comparing bands just because they were influenced by them. They're not trying to copy whatever who else did but people are always like "Yeah they're ok but this band will never beat so and so." If DT got published before Rush than it'd be "Rush is overrated and DT's the tits, man."

I don't like everything DT has put out but Octavarium is one of favorite albums ever and Myung is fuckin beast.[/QUOTE]

I actually compare them because both bands reside within progressive rock. Quite objectively really, or well, as objective as you can get when talking about music and comparing music.

One of my main problems with a band like DT is the lack of emotion.
It's bi-polar music that only has two moods. Either we're mad and heavy, or sad and squirting cream right into your ears. Where-as I believe Rush has a more fluent range of emotions.

In my opinion - progressive has to make me feel, just as I would want a book or a movie do it. Rush achives it and DT don't.

The skill of the musicians is exceptionally high refering to either band.. Though, if I had to say so myself, then Geddy Lee most certainly is a better bass player.. I mean - complex bass and keyboards patterns while fucking singing vocals with a third melody? Holy shit..

But, I digress.. We are talking about something that's highly subjective. I could go on and on for decades explaining how Rush would kick DT's ass in every way, but it wouldn't mean shit if that's not how you see it.

I just like to write I reckon.. Should've ended by now.

I think they made it acceptable to put "out-of-the-box" elements in music and have truly pushed experimental approaches to the mainstream. Tons of purely "pop" bands are now labeled as "progressive" sometimes now...it's like they made it "OK".

maybe a little but hell they were influential and pioneers on their genre

they didn't do all that, their a&r did. He was like "hell chief, I'm ()this close to breaking metal into the mainstream, just give me a chance!"
Listen to Watchtower, and bask in your 733t coolness, that's all that is needed here.

[QUOTE=Firecracker;19020850]If the credit is given to their newer stuff: yes.
older stuff: hell no[/QUOTE]

what older stuff do you recommend?

[QUOTE=CalcNinja;19026465]I hate how people keep comparing bands just because they were influenced by them. They're not trying to copy whatever who else did but people are always like "Yeah they're ok but this band will never beat so and so." If DT got published before Rush than it'd be "Rush is overrated and DT's the tits, man."

I don't like everything DT has put out but Octavarium is one of favorite albums ever and Myung is fuckin beast.[/QUOTE]


Like.

[QUOTE=Det_Nosnip;19020835]Is the pope Catholic?[/QUOTE]

The pope is Jesuit actually

Not at all, although they appeal to a niche group...
 

I don't think DT are over-rated at all. They are one of the biggest "marmite" bands I know though that attract such vast differences in opinion. Their fans are very loyal and follow them religiously, whilst the haters seem almost passionate in their hate at times.

For a band their age though, they still put out very solid material 11 albums in and have never really made a truly "bad" album, despite having weaker attempts, which IMO, is a strong feat. Most bands have at least 1 album below a "3.0" on sput, DT do not.