haha wooha

what a clown

you know a thread is going places when wooha shows up

[QUOTE=matious;18858820]redhouse is a hater[/QUOTE]

Nice to know making such a distinction is still valid on the internet, more valid, indeed, than actually engaging in the discussion.

[QUOTE=illmitch;18858818]there is absolutely no other rapper like lil b

that's what distinguishes him[/QUOTE]

He's about as distinguishable an accidental pen mark you make when writing the words "phony rappers" that makes the p look like a k and all of a sudden you're realizing not enough people care about kony 2012 and then you're realizing how easy it is for people to mistakenly give a shit about anything if the ideas are presented simply enough but then you realize that when the ideas are presented simply enough, they do not contain any worthy criticism of the ideas in question.

Ergo: lil b.

[QUOTE=publicastration;18858819]lol 2 years ago i would have agreed with this[/QUOTE]

I take it you lightened up like the rest of them.

[I]Sell out!!!![/I]

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[QUOTE=exredhouseresident;18858910]Nice to know making such a distinction is still valid on the internet, more valid, indeed, than actually engaging in the discussion. [/quote]

I humored this tired, pointless, "discussion" with a post with some merit so far but sure i'll go again.


[QUOTE]
He's about as distinguishable an accidental pen mark you make when writing the words "phony rappers" that makes the p look like a k and all of a sudden you're realizing not enough people care about kony 2012 and then you're realizing how easy it is for people to mistakenly give a shit about anything if the ideas are presented simply enough but then you realize that when the ideas are presented simply enough, they do not contain any worthy criticism of the ideas in question.[/QUOTE]

Phony is not a term i would use to describe Lil B, It's curious you say that. Some of his lyrics include really personal, self deprecating material like chronic masturbation, anti-social behavior, internet addiction. He's consistently uploaded video's of his personal life for years. He has no qualms about living with his mom still, something he has presented.

Who else was calling themself a pretty bitch before lil b?

[QUOTE=illmitch;18858917][IMG]http://gyazo.com/96f140b7a5e6f8539d23ae82c3cecc95.png?1335754399[/IMG][/QUOTE]

What is that proving?
[QUOTE=matious;18858919]I humored this tired, pointless, "discussion" with a post with some merit so far but sure i'll go again.




Phony is not a term i would use to describe Lil B, It's curious you say that. Some of his lyrics include really personal, self deprecating material like chronic masturbation, anti-social behavior, internet addiction. He's consistently uploaded video's of his personal life for years. He has no qualms about living with his mom still, something he has presented.

Who else was calling themself a pretty bitch before lil b?[/QUOTE]

Yoni and Doseone have made self-deprecating lyrics like that before and with sharper wit and better diction, I'm sure.

What I see is ultimately an easy going perception of his character and lyrics, I don't think you all can really feel he's this remarkable jesus of rap infallible and invulnerable to wacknesss. If there are two spheres, skill and honesty, which overlap and produce what we as rap fans appreciate the most, lil b is all honesty and thats it.

And more broadly, rappers are either one or the other and fairly weak with whatever they are. That is why I made this thread questioning the reasoning why people might be into these motherfuckers. They offer so little yet receive such high praise. It doesn't make sense unless I suspend the belief that people listen to music they're impressed by.

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[QUOTE=exredhouseresident;18858920]

Yoni and Doseone have made self-deprecating lyrics like that before and with sharper wit and better diction, I'm sure. [/quote]

Thats great you were able to namedrop some better rappers, kudos.
[QUOTE]
What I see is ultimately an easy going perception of his character and lyrics, I don't think you all can really feel he's this remarkable jesus of rap infallible and invulnerable to wacknesss. If there are two spheres, skill and honesty, which overlap and produce what we as rap fans appreciate the most, lil b is all honesty and thats it.[/QUOTE]

Who was saying lil b was this? I certainly wasn't. Sure i agree with your vague skill and honesty venn diagram i guess. Lil B is obviously not that skilled, but he's certainly entertaining. Are you going to deny the influence Ol Dirty Bastard had even though he wasn't technically proficient?

[quote]And more broadly, rappers are either one or the other and fairly weak with whatever they are. That is why I made this thread questioning the reasoning why people might be into these motherfuckers. They offer so little yet receive such high praise. It doesn't make sense unless I suspend the belief that people listen to music they're impressed by.[/QUOTE]

He really doesn't get that much praise. He's not considered a great rapper, he's a thought-provoking novelty, and I'm genuinely interested to see where he goes from here on out.

Hes a novelty, hardly thought provoking. In the world of entertainment, novelties are not thought provoking, they're just something new to fawn over. Suspending more principles of mine, lending credence to the comparison between Lil B and ODB, that itself means ODB was doing it way before Lil B and that Lil B is that much LESS creative or novel, and that any appreciation he receives at all is superfluous and undue.

lil b is way more interesting as an entertainer than ODB ever was

redhouse still thinks Doseone is good. ha

Urinetrouble still thinks doseone isnt good. ha

fvck lil b. listen to k-rino and hear the truth

[QUOTE=illmitch;18858955]lil b is way more interesting as an entertainer than ODB ever was[/QUOTE]

don't you have a class to attend?

[QUOTE=illmitch;18858955]lil b is way more interesting[/QUOTE]

stating something that can never be proven 24/7

knew that this was an alex thread before i even opened it

[QUOTE=exredhouseresident;18858951]Hes a novelty, hardly thought provoking. In the world of entertainment, novelties are not thought provoking, they're just something new to fawn over. Suspending more principles of mine, [B]lending credence to the comparison between Lil B and ODB, that itself means ODB was doing it way before Lil B and that Lil B is that much LESS creative or novel[/B], and that any appreciation he receives at all is superfluous and undue.[/QUOTE]

That doesn't make sense. I was making a comparison, didn't mention any similarity between delivery or content yet. Why does making a comparison automatically make ODB superior? I mean I probably shouldn't listen to any song with vocals considering Beethoven did it first, and everything post is superflous or whatever pompous terminology you were using.

The way lil b delivered his content through self-promotion and youtube vlogs was original as well. You can see it imitated by MTV Riff Raff and other clowns . When he titled his release "im gay" it was thought provoking in that it lead to panel discussions and re-emphasized the homophobic culture still present in hip hop. A lot of his music parodies many modern rap tropes, which is a breath of fresh air.

This is fairly thought-provoking stuff given the context of the genre. I can't think of any other current quasi-mainstream, homosexuality-endorsing hip hop artist right now. The fact that we are having this discussion makes him thought provoking.

[QUOTE=WooHa;18859153]don't you have a class to attend?[/QUOTE]

at 11:30 on a sunday night?

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All this becomes hilarious when you remember the music exred endorses:

"Wednesday's dirty blood clot.
Hoards of leaves wear 3-d glasses
to whisper the wind's plea to accept an emptied room.
Backtalk, the bethlehem of patios points backwards
footprints at the stagehand puppets friendly lament."

what do you mean man, that's the kind of music that we all need to listen to so that we can liberate the working class from being oppressed by gucci mane and lil wayne

doseone 4 prez

[QUOTE=matious;18859311]That doesn't make sense. I was making a comparison, didn't mention any similarity between delivery or content yet. Why does making a comparison automatically make ODB superior? I mean I probably shouldn't listen to any song with vocals considering Beethoven did it first, and everything post is superflous or whatever pompous terminology you were using.

The way lil b delivered his content through self-promotion and youtube vlogs was original as well. You can see it imitated by MTV Riff Raff and other clowns . When he titled his release "im gay" it was thought provoking in that it lead to panel discussions and re-emphasized the homophobic culture still present in hip hop. A lot of his music parodies many modern rap tropes, which is a breath of fresh air.

This is fairly thought-provoking stuff given the context of the genre. I can't think of any other current quasi-mainstream, homosexuality-endorsing hip hop artist right now. The fact that we are having this discussion makes him thought provoking.[/QUOTE]

Original because he self promoted himself through youtube? Really? Is that a serious contention of yours?

You're not providing a counter-analysis to my points. All the thoughts he has provoked have been provoked before, have not really been critically analyzed by Lil B, and have been the equivalent of a common individual getting a hold of beats and recording equipment. That is my primary point: he's nothing special at all, and in fact most rappers that get popular like him aren't really anything special in any way.

[QUOTE=Idnuf;18859333]All this becomes hilarious when you remember the music exred endorses:

"Wednesday's dirty blood clot.
Hoards of leaves wear 3-d glasses
to whisper the wind's plea to accept an emptied room.
Backtalk, the bethlehem of patios points backwards
footprints at the stagehand puppets friendly lament."[/QUOTE]

yeah, i urinate in a cup for the art of it,
and you'll dissect all of it.

[QUOTE=illmitch;18859323]at 11:30 on a sunday night?

[IMG]http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lztm44UO5d1r4u912o1_500.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

yea special ed classes

astute as always

[QUOTE=exredhouseresident;18859383]Original because he self promoted himself through youtube? Really? Is that a serious contention of yours?[/quote]

Yup. Name me another rapper that preceded Lil B who's music is as synonymous with home-made video recordings.
[quote]
You're not providing a counter-analysis to my points. All the thoughts he has provoked have been provoked before, have not really been critically analyzed by Lil B, and have been the equivalent of a common individual getting a hold of beats and recording equipment. That is my primary point: he's nothing special at all, and in fact most rappers that get popular like him aren't really anything special in any way.[/QUOTE]

Sure other people may have provoked similar thoughts (I'd be curious if you could name some) but they have never done it through "pop rap". What I'm saying is nobody has been able to bring as much self awareness and humor at the expense of other hip hop contemporaries like Lil B, and he did it all by utilizing, and parodying a cliche hip hop sound.

[QUOTE=exredhouseresident;18858910]

I take it you lightened up like the rest of them.

[I]Sell out!!!![/I][/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=matious;18859311]

This is fairly thought-provoking stuff given the context of the genre. I can't think of any other current quasi-mainstream, homosexuality-endorsing hip hop artist right now. The fact that we are having this discussion makes him thought provoking.[/QUOTE]

exactly

lol, enjoyed reading this thread

what were you doing in hip hop in the first place lul

watching a bunch of white guys argue about the intricacies of rap is p funny