[QUOTE=Simpleton;18838949]Then do it!


but seriously, i find all rap boring unless it actually says something that i don't immediately understand and am forced to analyze.
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oh my god you are retarded:lol::lol::lol:

lol soooooooooooooo dumb

your username is very fitting, Simpleton...

I am hoping to start a (personal) analyzation and critique of rap but I need to learn more about literature, english and poetry to do so. If a distinguished poetry critic took the time to make a how-to critical technique or guideline for rap then I think a true avant-garde rap movement could take place.

and,
here's example of abstraction:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mHa2ewDV6w[/url]

and here is an example of rap that says nothing but is nonetheless innovative in punchlines and being direct:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I0zoFJwtAI[/url]

if you think either of those are boring, or uninteresting at the least, then I really don't know what to say to you.

Have you ever heard of: imagery? or word play? or rhyme schemes? or narratives? or storytelling?

rap is much more, and has the potential to be, much more than you give it credit for. The sad thing is most people do what you do and that's why rap has been so stagnant for the majority of it's existence.

good fucking lord

[QUOTE=Gorgon;18838930]
Rap is unanalyzable in any meaningful sense as of right now because I don't think anyone has taken it seriously enough to really look at the artform and try and objectify the good and bad practices in rap[/QUOTE]

[URL]http://www.amazon.com/Book-Rhymes-The-Poetics-Hip/dp/0465003478[/URL]

Pretty nice book btw from what I remember

I am actually going to pick that up

@juddy
do you come in here because I'm posting? :3

pffft. im not even going to dignify with comment.

[QUOTE=Idnuf;18838794]I think you're too bent on seeming analytical and thoughtful or whatever that you say dishonest things like your first paragraph. I mean besides Danny Brown not being like Weezy (don't get me wrong Weezy is good but), "occasional obscure reference to make the hipsters salivate" makes it sound as though you just don't want to like the same thing that a certain crowd likes. What, for example, is a "obscure reference to make the hipsters salivate"? It's an empty statement, made only to separate yourself from people you don't like. I'm being sincere, I'd love to see an example of these "obscure references".[/quote]

Iunno obscure lyrics like "rap louie ck" or referencing teen titans or whatever, obscure references are there man.

Your making it sound like its a crazy complex deal to have an opinion lol

[QUOTE]XXX had low-budget kind of production, not full or expensive, but since when did that matter? Especially coming from a guy who defends New York and old school, simple production should not mean bad. I know what you mean though, with more listening it grows on you.
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My complaint with the production isn't that it sounds inexpensive, i just don't like it that much. I haven't listened to it recently so i can't substantiate why really, i just didnt care for the sounds.
[quote]Also saying that New York is in a good state (pun intended) is laughable.[/QUOTE]
Huh? Doom is coming out with new stuff, new el-p, all the aforementioned artists i think its in a good spot.

[QUOTE=Gorgon;18838491]

See, the thing about danny brown is that he actually raps about something that is relevant and worth discussing (real poverty, the state of Detroit, personal experience in drug abuse, theft, etc) whereas Bronson doesn't seem to rap about anything of importance or interest.
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Yikes bro, it doesn't get more stereotypical than that.

Bronson raps about being lonely, food fixations, drug abuse, his ancestral history. He has good presence on the beats and a good multisyllabic flow.

Danny brown lyrics typically follow " nigga your like this/
/nigga im like this"

doom kinda fails now idk

ur trippin dude, that jj doom stuff was craycray

[QUOTE=publicastration;18840502]doom kinda fails now idk[/QUOTE]

Doom is old fat and lazy. i love that motherfucker

[QUOTE=publicastration;18840502]doom kinda fails now idk[/QUOTE]

luc being an example of a dumb fucktard again. Good job bro:thumb:

[QUOTE=matious;18840486]Yikes bro, it doesn't get more stereotypical than that.

Bronson raps about being lonely, food fixations, drug abuse, his ancestral history. He has good presence on the beats and a good multisyllabic flow.

Danny brown lyrics typically follow " nigga your like this/
/nigga im like this"[/QUOTE]

My problem with this is that Bronson is even more stereotypical than Brown because he's cookie-cutter, no name NY rapper #4566 rapping about cookie cutter, NY-rap centric topics, such as ancestral history, drug abuse, being lonely, being gangster, etc. all with a white-boy twist that makes it even worse. So before you go and make Bronson out to be different, he's a very stereotypical New York rapper and a Ghostface clone.

I don't care if you like Brown or not, that's your own choice, but calling him generic and claiming that Bronson is even the slightest bit original is really fucking dumb and ignorant on your part. Good day.

Never said Bronson was original, i like that he emulates that new york flavor in a modern way. I said he sounded like Ghostface in the original post. Lol good day

GOOD DAY SIR

Danny Brown [I]is[/I] generic man, he's only aesthetically appealing. Nobody cared for danny brown when he wore NBA jerseys and fitted hats and rapped with a normal voice. It was when he started dressing flamboyant and really accentuating his annoying nasal drown delivery that people took notice.

They both share the same "cookie cutter" topics ( or real life experiences, term i prefer to use) but your correct, that "white boy twist" is very much absent.

Musically Brown is just another simple punchline rapper. The lil wayne analogy wasn't completely accurate, but in terms of fashion appeal and mannerisms, drug promotion whatever, they're pretty darn similiar, just with different demographics. Danny Brown is the lil wayne equivalent of the "underground" if you will.

Danny Brown helped push Exxquire into the spotlight which is cool though.

you do know that being aesthetically appealing is exactly what the phrase "good music" implies, eh?
Yeah, what a surprise! When he started being weird and different people started to pay attention.

also have you listened to XXX? He has lots of narrative songs and lyrics in there, not just punchlines. And to call them simple is a bit of a cop out, simplicity does not imply inelegance. His imagery is some of the best I've heard and that doesn't require being 'complex' which generally means convoluted when it comes to musicians.

You could write a good lyric that is simple and doesn't use words that are out of your vocabulary, or you could be a pretentious fool that uses a dictionary/thesaurus/etc to 'expand' your vocab and write a 'complex' lyric that just uses words incorrectly. Too many rappers to name that do this...

[QUOTE=Gorgon;18840909]you do know that being aesthetically appealing is exactly what the phrase "good music" implies, eh? [/quote]

Was speaking strictly of his appearance

[QUOTE]
Yeah, what a surprise! When he started being weird and different people started to pay attention.[/QUOTE]

Eh, I'd describe it more as prettier packaging. He didn't really mature musically, he just put a bow on top of it. I actually prefer the sound of [I]the hybrid[/I]
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also have you listened to XXX? He has lots of narrative songs and lyrics in there, not just punchlines. And to call them simple is a bit of a cop out, simplicity does not imply inelegance. His imagery is some of the best I've heard and that doesn't require being 'complex' which generally means convoluted when it comes to musicians.[/QUOTE]

I agree in general, but I do think Danny Brown is simple in a negative way. I will if this debate continues, but I'd prefer to not have to go back and listen to XXX again just to be better able to articulate why I don't like it.
[quote]
You could write a good lyric that is simple and doesn't use words that are out of your vocabulary, or you could be a pretentious fool that uses a dictionary/thesaurus/etc to 'expand' your vocab and write a 'complex' lyric that just uses words incorrectly. Too many rappers to name that do this...[/QUOTE]

Of course and I totally agree. Danny Brown isn't better for his simple wordplay ,however.

I don't even remember there being much word play in the album, mostly just very visual phrases.

his annunciation and his flow did change from the hybrid to XXX, Detroit 187 is a good example of how he did grow up and try new things.

you can not like XXX all you want, I just don't see why you think that Brown is a worse MC than Bronson. I think that's absolutely absurd.

I never even insinuated bronson was a better MC, I just said Danny Brown bores me, which he does. I'll keep listening to him though, check out his next releases or whatever the fuck "bruiser brigade" does which is a corney rap crew name he needs to fix that

lol bruiser brigade
hilarious name

[QUOTE=matious;18840918]I never even insinuated bronson was a better MC[/QUOTE]

yes making posts where you say "action bronson is [positive description] and danny brown is [negative description]" definitely doesn't insinuate anything

[QUOTE=Gorgon;18840909]you do know that being aesthetically appealing is exactly what the phrase "good music" implies, eh?
Yeah, what a surprise! When he started being weird and different people started to pay attention.
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Jesus, quit being such a [I][B]baby[/B][/I]

nice

matious what do you think of the Bad Meets Evil EP?
Also have you listened to Crooked I?

lol at comparing this guy to danny brown

[QUOTE=WooHa;18841730]matious what do you think of the Bad Meets Evil EP?
Also have you listened to Crooked I?[/QUOTE]

1. lol meh as fuck
2. fell off hard slaughterhouse is just self-indulgent battle rap with no talent for songwriting

[QUOTE=Urinetrouble;18840655]luc being an example of a dumb fucktard again. Good job bro:thumb:[/QUOTE]

maybe I feel this way just cause he hasn't made anything as good as madvillainy idk

accordion is one of my favorite rap songs ever

[QUOTE=publicastration;18842078]maybe I feel this way just cause he hasn't made anything as good as madvillainy idk

accordion is one of my favorite rap songs ever[/QUOTE]

may not be as good as madvillainy, but its still damn good. You honestly can't expect an artist, let alone a rap artist, to maintain that sort of consistent quality over their career. No one has done it in the history of rap. So, good job at being dumb:thumb:

I'm dumb because I have extreme [i]preference[/i]

my point is that it's NOT madvillainy, I'm not the biggest doom fan to begin with, MM... food might be good if the production wasn't stop/start grating annoying, madvillainy is the only shit of his that I've absolutely loved

[QUOTE=publicastration;18842078]maybe I feel this way just cause he hasn't made anything as good as madvillainy idk

accordion is one of my favorite rap songs ever[/QUOTE]

I'm a big doom fanboy, so I really enjoyed born like this. Tracks like gazzilionaire and cellz were on par with his best, the rest of it wasn't as hot; im not a fan of jake one as a producer.

But everything Doom has done lately has been crazy original. Every new song since the thom yorke collaboration has been at least interesting. Doom has been able to stay relevant in hip hop for almost 2 decades now, thats crazy for the genre.

And Vaudeville Villian is my favorite release by him. It's not as comfortable to listen to but its fucking crazy, best lyrical showcase by doom .

[QUOTE=WooHa;18841730]matious what do you think of the Bad Meets Evil EP?
Also have you listened to Crooked I?[/QUOTE]

Royce Da 5'9 was enough to scare me away from BME but ill check it out if you think its worth it.

Never listened to Crooked I neither, sorry.