[QUOTE=NachoChez]A grunge fanboy doesn't have any right to be mocking Verlaine and Lloyd.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't say I'm a fanboy, and I can say that if I want. Television eat scrote in my opinion, and you can go and do the same.

QOTSA
Desert Sessions

Yes I am fanboy

[QUOTE=NachoChez]A grunge fanboy doesn't have any right to be mocking Verlaine and Lloyd.[/QUOTE]
What are you saying, that grunge is worse than punk? What is this, genre fights now? I won't go into the genres, but don't go telling people that their music is worse than yours for no reason.

There is a reason that Television and other bands aren't widely known. I'll leave you to fill in the gaps.

Anyway, this is an alt guitar thread...

alien ant farm

Chilis

Pearl Jam is really boring, I can't front on that.

[QUOTE=Sam]Pearl Jam is really boring, I can't front on that.[/QUOTE]


that's crazy.

Out of all the really well known grunge groups I would say pearl jam is one of the lest boring.

Opinions are crazy, and you're a lunatic for having one.

Nirvana > Pearl Jam

[QUOTE=ElOhEl]What are you saying, that grunge is worse than punk? What is this, genre fights now? I won't go into the genres, but don't go telling people that their music is worse than yours for no reason.

There is a reason that Television and other bands aren't widely known. I'll leave you to fill in the gaps.

Anyway, this is an alt guitar thread...[/Quote]Anyone who is even moderately familiar with music outside of MTV knows who Television are. [i]Marquee Moon[/i] is also ranked #128 on the Rolling Stone top albums of all time while no Pearl Jam album cracks the top 200. I'm sorry, either you haven't heard of them or you are just misinformed, but Television aren't underground.

[QUOTE=NachoChez]Television isn't widely known because the masses can't tolerate anything that's not verse-chorus-verse and out in three minutes.

He gave no reasons for disliking Tom Verlaine, so I gave no reasons for disliking his Pearl Jam crap.[/QUOTE]
You are too caught up in being indie to notice anything vaguely in the mainstream. I might not like Television that much, but I own their album. It's not widely known because of Verlaine's annoying vocals, and because it's not really a 'punk' album and it was released in '77 with a lot of competition.

As to Scott Herren, they are liked by Rolling Stone, but as the type of mag that Rolling Stone is they would have to be. You can't use that as an aguing point, its not your opinion (unless of course you rank ever album released in the same order.) I suppose you agree that Dusty in Memphis by Dusty Springfield is better than Marquee Moon because it is ranked higher in RS?

Calling me a fanboy and then refusing to accept my opinion at all on a band you like is hypocrisy at its worst. I can understand why you don't like Pearl Jam, it might be because they are too "mainstream" for you, or because Riot Act sucked, or for any other reason. You, however, can't seem to understand why I don't like Television.

[QUOTE=Mailman]
As to Scott Herren, they are liked by Rolling Stone, but as the type of mag that Rolling Stone is they would have to be. You can't use that as an aguing point, its not your opinion (unless of course you rank ever album released in the same order.) I suppose you agree that Dusty in Memphis by Dusty Springfield is better than Marquee Moon because it is ranked higher in RS?[/QUOTE]
The point wasn't that I would rank them at that spot on a list, but that they are well known enough to get a spot that high on the list, and pretty much anyone who knows anything about music has heard Marquee Moon the song if not the album. And you got into this mess looking rediculous messageboard laughing at a band.

[QUOTE=NachoChez]I dislike Pearl Jam because they suck. I have no problem with the mainstream.

Don't give me your "you can't seem to understand why I don't like Television" crap. Your reason for disliking them was "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA".[/QUOTE]
You still don't get it. That wasn't my reason for disliking them. What I'm saying is that you can't seem to accept that someone can [i]not like Television[/i], and that you are better than me for liking them. If that's your opinion, then you can go and get f[i]u[/i]cked, but if we understand each other, then I'm ok with that. :)

getting f[i]u[/i]cked is a good thing here. cultural differences?

[QUOTE=Scott Herren]getting f[i]u[/i]cked is a good thing here. cultural differences?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mailman]If that's your opinion, then you can go and get f[i]u[/i]cked, [b]but if we understand each other, then I'm ok with that. :)[/b][/QUOTE]

I'm sorry, did you read it properly? Honestly, if he thinks that his musical taste is so much better than mine that I can't even comment on Marquee Moon, then he can get f[i]u[/i]cked. But as I said, "if we understand each other, then I'm ok with that."

Duane Denison of Jesus Lizard and Tomahawk is pretty darn underrated in my opinion.

this is the only part of the forums ive heard television discussed
id say both lloyd and verlaine are both great guitarists

The guy from Porcupine Tree is really good! I'd also have to agree with the Smashing Pumpkins and Pearl Jam.

[QUOTE=Mailman]I suppose you agree that Dusty in Memphis by Dusty Springfield is better than Marquee Moon because it is ranked higher in RS?[/QUOTE]
I think it is. :-(

[QUOTE=Bukowski]Nirvana > Pearl Jam[/QUOTE]

Cobain has nothing on Mike McCready

Yeah he does. He has bigger holes in his head. Silly.

[QUOTE=NachoChez]I just thought your comment was a really flippant and cocky way to discredit an artist. I replied with the same.[/QUOTE]
Ok, I think we both just took it the wrong way.

[QUOTE=Zmev]Television.[/QUOTE]
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Pearl Jam has awesome guitar work.
And if you think they are boring, I am very very sorry.

[QUOTE=Dreww]Pearl Jam has awesome guitar work.
And if you think they are boring, I am very very sorry.[/QUOTE]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[QUOTE=Zmev]HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA[/QUOTE]
What is your problem? Get over yourself and your "obscure" (:rolleyes:) bands.

Pearl Jam isn't bad, but really doesn't belong in this thread.

If you are saying they don't have exceptional guitarists, you need to hear more Pearl Jam.

If you are saying they aren't really Alternative, I agree.

Jeff Buckley

[QUOTE=Dreww]If you are saying they don't have exceptional guitarists, you need to hear more Pearl Jam.

If you are saying they aren't really Alternative, I agree.[/QUOTE]
I have heard every Pearl Jam album through Binaural. Unless they have done something amazing since then that I am not aware of then yes, I am saying that they don't deserve mention in this thread.