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EmergencyRoom 09-26-2005 02:54 PM

I got the hamlet reference if that helps. :p

EmergencyRoom 09-26-2005 03:31 PM

[QUOTE=DFelon204409]Hahahahah. I love when people throw in allusion that's so esoteric and trivial it ceases to be an allusion. You know at the movie theater before the movie starts they have those little quiz questions like "Who said, 'I like peanut butter alright.'" These are quotations that are more trivial characters in movies nobody cares about and also the quote isn't even some defining cool quote that somebody would be able to figure out from reading its awesomeness. It's just dumb. That's why when I see somebody making an allusion to some line Shakespeare crossed off in a first draft of Hamlet while really stoned and probably getting rammed by a man or being split into multiple poets during the 16th century because Shakespeare has been hypothesized not to exist, I laugh.

I do like peanut butter though, I'll give you guys that much.[/QUOTE]

I disagree. I didn't think that it was a very esoteric quote. And it wasn't a trivial character, it was Hamlet himself. So your point sucks and doesn't apply here.

But peanut butter rules. :p

A_Perfect_Sonnet 09-26-2005 05:10 PM

Crunchy > smooth.

EmergencyRoom 09-26-2005 05:12 PM

[QUOTE=A_Perfect_Sonnet]Crunchy > smooth.[/QUOTE]

Seconded.

TojesDolan 09-26-2005 05:20 PM

[QUOTE=EmergencyRoom]I disagree. I didn't think that it was a very esoteric quote. And it wasn't a trivial character, it was Hamlet himself. So your point sucks and doesn't apply here.

But peanut butter rules. :p[/QUOTE]
But it's like you started quoting things you've read because you think they are amazingly cool, but not everybody may know what you talk about. Like private jokes (I mean of a close group, not exactly talking about groins and what not) that only work with your friends but pretty much no one would really understand... At any rate, if they are really, really obvious, then you may be stupid, but well.

For instance, If I talk about pig heads talking to crazy boys, and then rolling stones crashing fat f[B][I][/I][/B]ucks, you might not know what I'm talking about, and I'd say "duh, leik, its so e-z lol!!1!" But well. Guess where I got that idea from and I'll give you an e-cookie.

And peanut butter = good. But Nutella is far better.

EmergencyRoom 09-26-2005 05:30 PM

[QUOTE=TojesDoLan]But it's like you started quoting things you've read because you think they are amazingly cool, but not everybody may know what you talk about. Like private jokes (I mean of a close group, not exactly talking about groins and what not) that only work with your friends but pretty much no one would really understand... At any rate, if they are really, really obvious, then you may be stupid, but well.

For instance, If I talk about pig heads talking to crazy boys, and then rolling stones crashing fat f[B][I][/I][/B]ucks, you might not know what I'm talking about, and I'd say "duh, leik, its so e-z lol!!1!" But well. Guess where I got that idea from and I'll give you an e-cookie.

And peanut butter = good. But Nutella is far better.[/QUOTE]

Your idea works as a general rule. However, my point wasn't generalised. It was specific to someone who has (i assumed that Dfelon has due to the way he comments on it) read Hamlet. I know that to someone who hasn't read Hamlet, any line( kind of, as Hamlet was the source of hundreds of stock english phrases) could seem unfamiliar, but Dfelon suggests that it is a line spoken by a trivial character and isn't important, suggesting that he read and (partially) remembers it. :thumb:

TojesDolan 09-26-2005 05:44 PM

Well yeah, If you read something you'll only remember something that really catches your mind, not everything about the play. That'd be sick, unless you were a person dedicated to the life and work of Shakespeare...

Anyhow... Wait what the hell was I saying...

EmergencyRoom 09-26-2005 06:12 PM

[QUOTE=TojesDoLan]Well yeah, If you read something you'll only remember something that really catches your mind, not everything about the play. That'd be sick, unless you were a person dedicated to the life and work of Shakespeare...

Anyhow... Wait what the hell was I saying...[/QUOTE]

:lol:

TojesDolan 09-26-2005 07:30 PM

Or for instance, for that post of mine above, I was alusing "The lord of the flies". For instance, you'd never get it even if your life depended on it if you haven't read the book. Or like a lot of the jokes in the Simpsons. Most of them are enjoyable for the regular viewer, but certain epsiodes that you could only get with a certain level of pop culture/any kind of culture.

There's a fine line that blurs between being funny with quotes, or trying to be smart through them, and being overly intelligent and uptight about it.

TojesDolan 09-26-2005 08:09 PM

[QUOTE=DFelon204409]Except for the fact that all Simpsons/Family Guy/Futurama/Adult Swim quotes should be mandatory for the LC repetoire.[/QUOTE]
Haha... No I mean the serious ones... Like in the episode when the kids go to the "Kamp Krusty" and it really sucks... and then Bart goes insane and takes over: When Kent Brockman arrives with the cameras, as he approaches the hut where Bart is, there's a Pig's head impaled, with a lot of flies around: clear humor for those who've read [I]The Lord of the flies[/I], as I've stated for quite some posts now.

Anyhow, literature is so underrated nowadays... I would study something related to that, I love writing, and I also love painting, so I'd study arts, but I can't see myself living from those: It's almost impossible. It takes basically a lot of contacts, more than talent. Talent is important, but connections > every single drop of talent.

That's why I want to major in electronics/mechatronics engineering, so I can relate in some crazy form my love for music with a serious work-line, and in a way that I can dedicate my free time entirely to writing and painting.

WhatILivefoR 09-26-2005 09:07 PM

aaand, I was just trying to clear things up.

I'm sorry for people who didn't catch the allusion. You are correct DFelon, it's not an allusion to Hamlet's "to be or not to be" soliloquy (most people don't even know that it's from Hamlet) but it's not "esoteric and trivial". It's from Hamlet's first 'longer line' (if you will) speaking with his mother, and the emotion is clear.
The stanza in which the 'seems' quote is, is not undecipherable without knowing where that came from. I'm pretty sure it makes sense. Sorry if you don't get it.

SubtleDagger 09-27-2005 05:46 AM

It doesn't make sense if you haven't brushed up on Hamlet because you are using it verbatim and out of his Old English context. If you had changed it to "I know not 'seems'" it would make a bit more sense, but it would still look and sound wrong in the context of a piece written in today's English.

In other words, it doesn't work for me.

EmergencyRoom 09-27-2005 05:54 AM

I'm agreeing with Subtle. I got the reference but the context doesn't really add to the point of it. And i also get what Dfelon means, just thought Hamlet was a bit of a bad choice to illustrate it :D

-1up!- 09-27-2005 05:38 PM

/has never read Hamlet, or any part of it.

TojesDolan 09-27-2005 06:00 PM

[QUOTE=-1up!-]/has never read Hamlet, or any part of it.[/QUOTE]
You mentioned not being from an English-speaking country.

Where are you from, then? France? Germany?

-1up!- 09-28-2005 12:14 PM

I'm a lot closer than that... heh heh

TojesDolan 09-28-2005 02:48 PM

OIC... then latin american, I guess. :D

TojesDolan 09-28-2005 07:01 PM

:lol:

Anyway I don't think he's Canadian.

Canadian MXers are very proud and mention it every possible second.

-1up!- 09-29-2005 07:56 AM

[QUOTE=TojesDoLan]OIC... then latin american, I guess. :D[/QUOTE]

even CLOSER...

I'm from Quebec.

Dancin' Man 09-29-2005 09:11 AM

So you're fake French or fake Canadian?

EmergencyRoom 09-29-2005 02:09 PM

When do we have to vote by?

TojesDolan 09-29-2005 02:45 PM

[QUOTE=-1up!-]even CLOSER...

I'm from Quebec.[/QUOTE]
oic.

Because I though all the canadian people were like "LOOK AT ME I'M CANADIAN, I LOVE HOCKEY".

It's good to see an exception. :D

-1up!- 09-29-2005 05:58 PM

[QUOTE=Dancin' Man]So you're fake French or fake Canadian?[/QUOTE]

Is that fake humor or fake stupidity?

I hate hockey anyway, and I have nothing but utter contempt for patriotism; I'll never be "proud" of my country. I hate cold weather, snow, and all the **** we get in winter, although it IS fun to walk outside when freezing rain just fell, as everything is even more slippery than hockey ice.

TojesDolan 09-29-2005 06:48 PM

[QUOTE=-1up!-]Is that fake humor or fake stupidity?

I hate hockey anyway, and I have nothing but utter contempt for patriotism; I'll never be "proud" of my country. I hate cold weather, snow, and all the **** we get in winter, although it IS fun to walk outside when freezing rain just fell, as everything is even more slippery than hockey ice.[/QUOTE]
Ha, I wished I had snow here. Bloody desertic America.

TojesDolan 09-29-2005 10:04 PM

It has a lot of falacies about Jesus and Christianity but it's fun to get there?

Yeah. I'm thinking of MIT for college. Maybe.

-1up!- 09-29-2005 10:11 PM

[QUOTE=TojesDoLan]Ha, I wished I had snow here. Bloody desertic America.[/QUOTE]

I wish I lived in a desert. (With a pool.

and infinite food.)

Snow gets tiring real quick if you're not into skiing/snowboard like everyone and their mother here. Though I might discover a new fun with snow this winter, if me and my stoner friends are into having snowball fights and building fortresses under the influence of, well, yeah.

EmergencyRoom2 09-30-2005 02:22 AM

Yeah, so i was walking down the interweb, minding my own business when i bumped into Strum...

To cut a long story short, there was an accident with the Banaxe and now i can't edit my "voting" post.

Is it ok to post another voting post in there and when do i have to vote by?

Thanks

pixiesfanyo 09-30-2005 06:12 AM

[QUOTE=EmergencyRoom2]Yeah, so i was walking down the interweb, minding my own business when i bumped into Strum...

To cut a long story short, there was an accident with the Banaxe and now i can't edit my "voting" post.

Is it ok to post another voting post in there and when do i have to vote by?

Thanks[/QUOTE]

yes

SubtleDagger 09-30-2005 07:41 AM

I'll be voting in just a bit. Sorry for the hold-up, my internet's been funky and I've been major busy.

TojesDolan 09-30-2005 03:50 PM

[url]http://numb.deslizo.net/fotos2/conor_oberst-thumb.jpg[/url]

For some reason, Conor Oberst reminds me of Burt. He has that crazy smile too. :)


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