yeah i would like some real jazzcore recommendations. ive listened to most of these bands and them using odd-meter time sigs and off beat tempos but none of actually sound jazz. they lack the scales,mode changes, and lead parts. ive found certain songs that cud be stretches of jazzcore.nomeansno was pretty jazzy though, but i thought they lacked the hardcore side, otherwise a good jazz fusion band.here r my examples of jazzcore songs.

The Number Twelve Looks Like You - Texas Dolly, Clarissa Explains Cuntainment

(this ones a stretch, listen to the guitar its very diminish scale/jazz influenced) Fear Before The March Of Flames - Should Have Stayed In The Shallows.

and you might hate me for this but, the blood brothers are your best choice. they have an array of songs built on classic jazz/pop/hardcore beats.

I cry to hear of my beloved jazz ruined with metal.

Into The Moat, The Number 12 Looks Like You, Between The Buried And Me, and The Dillinger Escape Plan.

I listened to the recordings posted in this thread, and have to say it's utter garbage. This doesn't belong in this forum.

[QUOTE=The Krabsman]I cry to hear of my beloved jazz ruined with metal.[/QUOTE]
Just as the metalheads will whine about their beloved metal being ruined with jazz. If you don't like it, don't listen to it. Nobody likes an elitist.

its hard to see the jazz influence in any of those bands other than the drummer using a cymbal more than a snare

[QUOTE=FillInTheBlankHere___]^^^
That has nothing to do with hardcore.

I wholeheartedly recommend you check out Ephel Duath. Fantastic band.[/QUOTE]
what would be the best Ephel Duath song for me to download?

And does anyone know where i can download some upsilion acrux, the link that was already posted wont work.

Mike Watt played some awesome bands on his show a while back, now if I could just remember their names...

Can anyone tell me what scales bands like Into the Moat and Sleep Terror use in those weird jazz breaks that they do in their songs? Thanks.

[QUOTE=FillInTheBlankHere___]^^^
That has nothing to do with hardcore.

I wholeheartedly recommend you check out Ephel Duath. Fantastic band.[/QUOTE]

I totally agree with you on that one. They're Italian and really great guys, I met them after I saw them play with the dillenger escape plan!

Naked City live with Mike Patton on vocals. Simply amazing, and yes, jazzcore. I only have a few bootlegs, of some shows between 1991 and 1992, and they sound very good.

ps - i wouldnt call Dillinger Escape Plan jazzcore. I think that would be too streched.

[QUOTE=wefles]what would be the best Ephel Duath song for me to download?

And does anyone know where i can download some upsilion acrux, the link that was already posted wont work.[/QUOTE]

Just don't download anything from Ephel's first album, its awful. Recommended: The Passage, Praha, Ironical Communion, The Other's Touch.

On another note, Farmakon = funkcore?

[QUOTE=The Krabsman]I cry to hear of my beloved jazz ruined with metal.[/QUOTE]
Now now, both jazz and metal are pillars of musical achievement (forget nu-metal though). Both incredibly skilled genres.

[QUOTE=cicatriz]does 'blues-core' exist? that would be quite interesting.[/QUOTE]

Designer Babies are everything-core.

[QUOTE=wefles]what would be the best Ephel Duath song for me to download?

And does anyone know where i can download some upsilion acrux, the link that was already posted wont work.[/QUOTE]

'The Passge'

[QUOTE=br3ad_man]'The Passge'[/QUOTE]

I saw Ephel Duath supporting dillinger escape plan both kicked *** but i was more sober during ED and they ruled,i suggest the unpoetic circle to download the trumpet on the passage takes some getting used to.

[quote=DFelon204409]...I had heard in the song "43% Burnt" by Dillinger Escape Plan. The augmented chords and tritones used on that song were easily transposed for use on the Musillami song (which I think was called "Swedish Fish." Is it just coincidence that a math metal band and a jazz band can come from the same theoretical backbone but execute their riffs in totally different genres? No. It's because both are founded in a sort of intellectualized approach to jazz theory that manifests in two strikingly different genres. Just because none of [I]you[/I] hear it doesn't mean it isn't there.[/quote]

Exactly!! :)

[QUOTE=BassCozzy]I saw Ephel Duath supporting dillinger escape plan both kicked *** but i was more sober during ED and they ruled,i suggest the unpoetic circle to download the trumpet on the passage takes some getting used to.[/QUOTE]

But the trumpet on that song is also really really cool. I would really really love to see Ephel Duath live. I can think of very few things that would kick more arse.

would later black flag stuff like the intrumental album be considered jazzcore?

ED's new album is gobsmacking.

[QUOTE=sub-bass]would later black flag stuff like the intrumental album be considered jazzcore?[/QUOTE]
Hmm, good point. [I]The Process of Weeding Out[/I] is very Jazzy....

[QUOTE=KuroTheBassist]ED's new album is gobsmacking.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. It's probs there best.

check out a band named pemdas on myspace from mount lake terrace,washington

it is the only actual jazzcore band ive ever heard

To go along with Magma I'd say Henry Cow is a great mix of jazz improvisation in a well anchored prog rock setting. There are some other jazz inspired prog rock like philharmonie, and Yang (both of which are pretty hard to find) that have a very musical adept and accomplished style.

Gordian Knot's first album is also worth checking out for those who cream over guitar.

Martyr's Warpzone is fairly jazzy in it's melodic/dissonant approach and reminds me a lot of jazz fusion at it's best.

Universe Zero is a chamber/rock/jazz/classical band they also have an interesting style of developing songs and worth checking out.

Jazzcore sounds intriguing.

[QUOTE=rhcp pman;10459328]Now now, both jazz and metal are pillars of musical achievement (forget nu-metal though). Both incredibly skilled genres.[/QUOTE]

ya sure but the difference is jazz sounds good

[QUOTE=defkennedys;7016170][url]http://www.goldenbrownrecordings.com/offminor/images/cadaveric.mp3[/url]

try this, off minor are a great band[/QUOTE]

What is "jazz" about that?

"Off Minor may not have much jazz in their immediate sound but a lot of their aesthetic is inspired by jazz. The use of whole tone and diminished scales as well as the rhythmic idiosyncracies on a lot of their songs are jazz inspired. The same goes for Refused and I guess Dillinger Escape Plan. However those bands are rooted in screamo, hardcore, and math metal, respectively, so people disregard any jazz elements the music has because it isn't apparent on a superficial level"

That's really, really stretching it.

mhmm