Lol. Gravity blast. That's a new one for my book. Well said.

[QUOTE=cjcdrums]Utterly impossible. Nobody alive can play a blast beat that fast.

Tim Waterson's record was an average of 16th notes at 360 bpm for a minute. When he uses his so-called "toe-down" technique to reach those speeds, you can barely hear the second stroke of the double. And because it is so quiet, a trigger would not register the second hit at all, and a mic would pick it up as mud, not playing. So that speed would be useless in a musical situation.

NOT TO MENTION that playing anything with your hands in unison with your feet at speeds greater than 250 is almost impossible.

The fastest single strokes possible are about 270 bpm 16th notes. Only a few guys can do it. Flo might could, Derek probably could, and I know Pete Sandoval can. Tim Waterson can play 270 singles with his right foot, but can't keep them together with a double.

Regarding the gravity blast, Flo is very inconsistant at "hyper-blast" speeds. So I don't believe this 340 nonsence for a second, when I've seen a video of him struggling at 250.[/QUOTE]

Yeah. The super fast 320-340 blasts, well those aren't really proper blasts per se, more just the left hand going insane on the snare and everything else trying to keep up. They stil hit insane tempos, but the drummers always use 2 footed 8th notes as well.

a slight variation on the blast beat being the break beat, where the hihat/ride/ whatever is rolling, eg:

[FONT=Courier New]Hihat:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Snare:x x x x x x x x
Bass_: x x x x x x x x[/FONT]

oh so it that thing what dave lombardo does in a lot of slayer songs then

yep or like in 94 hours off when i lay dying

...I think blast beats are lame...that is all

[QUOTE=lewisniven]a slight variation on the blast beat being the break beat, where the hihat/ride/ whatever is rolling, eg:

[FONT=Courier New]Hihat:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Snare:x x x x x x x x
Bass_: x x x x x x x x[/FONT][/QUOTE]
Thats not a blast beat.

i only like using blasts in breakdowns or little fills that makes the music sound conflicting in a really cool sorta way otherwise i rarely use blast beats for actual beats unless it sounds good in a certain place

The fastest double bass playing is 24.7 notes per second......... Hahahahahahaha

[QUOTE=murderdoll666]Iv heard alot of drummers talking about them but what exactly are they and can you give me some examples
thanx :thumb:[/QUOTE]

Going BACK TO THE THREAD! Lol. Still interesting to see everyone's prespective. Listen to The Black Dahlia Murder, Or At The Gates, Those are your typical blast beats just sped up quite a bit. Sometimes they're played fast enough to sound like rolls, as TTTSNB said.

...Also, There's plenty of music that uses them, Metal is popular amongst them, one of the first beats I started doing actually (Started drums with "Metal Intitution") So it shouldnt be too much of a hassle unless your trying to do that roll techinique, that takes some practice to sound good. :thumb:

"1440 beats in a minute (as opposed to bpm)"

You may have meant "hits" but you didn't say it.

Anyway, blast beats are alright, but they have a very limited application. If you play that genre, cool, but the music that calls for it is not extensive, and learning them wont help you alot outside of that genre.

[QUOTE=dumbassdrummer]"1440 beats in a minute (as opposed to bpm)"

You may have meant "hits" but you didn't say it.

Anyway, blast beats are alright, but they have a very limited application. If you play that genre, cool, but the music that calls for it is not extensive, and learning them wont help you alot outside of that genre.[/QUOTE]
Well, learning how to play them will build your chops like mad, which would be useful for ANY genre.

If you listen to Death Metal for a while, you really learn to love blastbeats.

Check out Decapitated - Nihility (the drummer is 16 years old on that record)
and Behemoth - Satanica

Also, for some really inventive use of Blastbeats, fast Double pedals, odd times, and pretty much every drumming style you can think of. Listen to the new Between The Buried And Me record - Alaska.

Night Terror is also insane.

But anyway, I thought I might post a couple of videos of Derek Roddy, who playes for Hate Eternal, they are videos of a studio session.

[URL=http://www.derekroddy.com/free_video/behold.wmv]http://www.derekroddy.com/free_video/behold.wmv[/URL]

[URL=http://www.derekroddy.com/free_video/will.wmv]http://www.derekroddy.com/free_video/will.wmv[/URL]

oddly enough most polka beats are slowed down blast beats. listen to a polka song.

Yeah but blastbeats sound retarded when they are slow.

[QUOTE=Hywel]Also, for some really inventive use of Blastbeats, fast Double pedals, odd times, and pretty much every drumming style you can think of. Listen to the new Between The Buried And Me record - Alaska.

[URL=http://www.derekroddy.com/free_video/behold.wmv]http://www.derekroddy.com/free_video/behold.wmv[/URL]

[URL=http://www.derekroddy.com/free_video/will.wmv]http://www.derekroddy.com/free_video/will.wmv[/URL][/QUOTE]


Alaska is a great record, good call.

And Blastbeats can still sound great on slower tempos, if played with a good sense of groove and clarity

I think it's already been said, but I don't want to be a grumpy bas**rd, but this doesn't belong here. The Advanced thread is getting like the Article and Lesson's section now. :(

Blast beats are something that can spice up your playing as much as ghost notes if you use them in the right place. Now they are grossly overused in death/black metal but if your playing a beat for 1 bar then you have one count of a blast beat before a fill then fill for 2 measures then redo the blast beat then go back into the basic beat its really cool. If used right they can add major energy into the song

I dont really like it when bands write songs with really deep, chugging guitars with blastbeats. Blasting is best over tremelo picking, with EVIL melodies between two guitars, harmonizing. :p

[QUOTE=Hywel]I dont really like it when bands write songs with really deep, chugging guitars with blastbeats. Blasting is best over tremelo picking, with EVIL melodies between two guitars, harmonizing. :p[/QUOTE]


Agreed. If done tastefully- it sounds great. I like when one guitar is playing a a repeating trem picked lick, and the other guitar is playing something lofty over it.

Blast beats are A-ok in my book, and i dont even really like death metal. Its all about the taste in which its performed.

i agree with the lopper i love putting blast beats in a sort of fill way or for short periods but not that black metal monotony duhdatduhdatduhdat etc etc
and why is this thread still in advanced?

id post a video of me doing a blast beat, i think blast beats are lame, but when i posted that video and said that someone neg. repped me. wtf ever.

[QUOTE=Loyton]id post a video of me doing a blast beat, i think blast beats are lame, but when i posted that video and said that someone neg. repped me. wtf ever.[/QUOTE]
Please do. I doubt that you can do one fast and clean, one footed, any faster then about 160 bpm.

[QUOTE]Please do. I doubt that you can do one fast and clean, one footed, any faster then about 160 bpm.[/QUOTE] Goddayum! 160 with one foot?! What the hell? Is that possible man?

*in Aw*

[QUOTE=faith+1]Goddayum! 160 with one foot?! What the hell? Is that possible man?

*in Aw*[/QUOTE]
:lol:

Me being guitarist, I dont have much in the way of discussion of the technical side of drumming with anyone (mainly cause I dont know that much...) but has anyone got a video of someone performing a Gravity blast? Ive heard these talked about with much reverence....

[QUOTE=faith+1]Goddayum! 160 with one foot?! What the hell? Is that possible man?

*in Aw*[/QUOTE]

Of course :D

[QUOTE=faith+1]Goddayum! 160 with one foot?! What the hell? Is that possible man?

[/QUOTE]


16ths @ 160bpm is totally possible with 1 foot.

well I would like to see someone keep that (continious 16th notes) up for 64 bars or something ;D

[QUOTE=Josiah]16ths @ 160bpm is totally possible with 1 foot.[/QUOTE]
Well it is possible, but if you playing staight 16ths @ 160 for a minute it is impossible. No drummer can touch that, not even Tim Waterson. No drummer has reached 1200 beats in a min. w/single strokes. That'd be singles at 320bpm and no one has reached 300 yet. But all that speed is kinda useless. :lol: