[QUOTE=TDrummer219]sweet, I could never even atempt HT because i wear size 11 shoes. I'm excited gonna go try now.[/QUOTE]
good luck, let me know if you need clarification on anything.

[QUOTE=British Boy]Its pretty good, but it doesn't help when you want to go to triplets or further. :lol:[/QUOTE]

If your going beyond triplets, its a good idea to use a double pedal.

[QUOTE=breakster]lately there has been alot of hype bout the "heel-toe" technique but after learning to play both i prefer the slide technique and can still get fast triplets effortlessly. Any one else use the slide technique predominately? And does anyone want instructions on it since there is more than enough on heel-toe? thanks[/QUOTE]

Hey it would be cool if u could give me instructons on it!!. thanks

It never ceases to astound me that people think you can't do heel toe with big feet. I wear size 13-14 shoes and I use it perfectly comfortably. Get informed before giivng up on something like that, a technique would not become that popular if Pygmies were the only people that could use it.

For all those with big feet....

Heel toe is entirely possible. The technique itself does not actually depend on the heal of your foot stepping on the pedal. It is actually about the center of your foot (just before your toes) which does the first step, folowed up by the toe hit. It only looks like the heel is hitting it, but it is actually not. And thusly...Heel-toe should be managable for just about everyone. Though perhaps it would be harder to learn for people with big feet. But yeah. I had to say that.

BTW, I got this information from an instructional video. I am surprised that more people haven't brought it up, or been informed.

You don't have to have the entire foot on the pedal in order to perform heel toe. Anyone who says their feet is too big to do heel-toe is seriously misinformed.

Ok, so Slide you slide your foot from bottom too top 2 do 2 fast consecutive 8th/16th bass hits (or even triplets) and... ok I gonna stop - does anyone know of a really good explanation of this (slide) and Heal-toe, I got a double kick and can get the 16th's going pretty good - still need practice but you know, and wanna figure out this 32nds (how it works - practice slowly) are ther are any vids around etc? also - I was always taught to use ball of the foot etc and have for the 7 yrs I been pllaying but now I perfected that do you think those types of "rules" don't apply because we should come up witht our own comfortability etc? thanks for this guys!

Yes, I would also like to request a video...if there have been any made, or if anyone wants to make one. That would be wonderful!

il try get hold of a camera

I have a friend that can do it and he can keep it going somehow. It sounds like he is playind db because he can keep it constant. He makes it look so effortless is not even funny. I've tried to get it right for months, and still haven't. I can play heel down and kick really fast and do doubles at will, but usually only if it is followed up by a snare hit.

^^^ um thats where you invest in a bouble pedal. The slide technique is concentrated on two strokes but with practice you can repeat them to get an strokes.
Not quite 32nds though

hmm...

i've always known about techniques such as the heel-toe and so on, but ive never really used them. i started experimenting recently and i just dont think i benifit alot from it. i can play just as fast normally and do fast powerful doubles using a pretty standard techique, and i have alot more control of what i do. i dont know, i just see this kind of thing as cheating almost. hmm...im tired.

I also can do some fast powerful doubles just with standard technique, but i might try HT, or getting to do the slide technique consistantly, it'd be cool to do I think.

i see that ppl have trouble doing the heel toe with IC's as well as i did when i first played on them. i own the eliminators and i found it much easier. i'll have to try the slide though

i find heel-toe very easy i can get doubles,triples with one foot effortless and most the time i can pull off the quad , but though never really went into slide with detail but ive already gotten down heel-toe i figure i should stick with it

i think people are too facinated with these get rich quick schemes. in my opinion these techniques are for experiences players who have worked on their technique for a very long time and can get more use out of these tricks.

there is SO much more a lot of people could be doing to make themselves better drummers.

you can also get your regular bass drum technique going very fast as it is.

BTW. isnt this a pretty old post? i dont think your suppose to bring them back up from the 3rd or 4th page. but while its here i might as well get my $00.02 in.

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[QUOTE=Senseless Apprentice]Yes, I would also like to request a video...if there have been any made, or if anyone wants to make one. That would be wonderful![/QUOTE]


Jeff Porcaro's DVD has a decent explanation of the slide technique. Thats how i learned it.

stert its not really a trick, but i do agree ppl immediatley jump on these get great quick schemes. $00.02 in <--that was awesome

[QUOTE=Stert]i think people are too facinated with these get rich quick schemes. in my opinion these techniques are for experiences players who have worked on their technique for a very long time and can get more use out of these tricks.

there is SO much more a lot of people could be doing to make themselves better drummers.

you can also get your regular bass drum technique going very fast as it is.

BTW. isnt this a pretty old post? i dont think your suppose to bring them back up from the 3rd or 4th page. but while its here i might as well get my $00.02 in.[/QUOTE]

#1) I doubt anybody got rich by teaching or developing these techniques

#2) Try playing a fast samba groove for any length of time without using HT or slide (I use slide myself) and you'll see why its important to learn these techniques. Its all a part of getting better at drumming, so its not a waste of time.

[QUOTE=billdrum]#1) I doubt anybody got rich by teaching or developing these techniques

#2) Try playing a fast samba groove for any length of time without using HT or slide (I use slide myself) and you'll see why its important to learn these techniques. Its all a part of getting better at drumming, so its not a waste of time.[/QUOTE]

i know its not a waste of time. it just seems like a lot of new drummers want to learn it right away.

i dont think a lot of the people who are all hyped about heel toe or slide know what samba is.

im definitly not saying that anyone who uses these techniques or wants to learn doesnt know what they are doing behind a kit. i was more dericting my statement to the begginer crowd that wants to "play really fast on the bass drum to show my friends how good i am at drums already."

i have always used slide without knowing what it was. i found it was an actual technique with a name about 2 years ago and formally worked on it, knowing what i was doing.

i was just making a statement about the general feeling i get about this stuff.

i would also like to look into heel toe to see some posibilities for triple strokes on bass.

anyone do more than double strokes on bass using slide? or even heel-toe for that matter.

btw. hows the new kit working for you? do you hae new heads on it yet?

i havnt been online for a while, nice to see my thread has been bumped lol. i agree with stert, i posted this thread in the advanced section because there are alot of things that noobs should learn before they start considering fine tuning there technique. Alot of beginner drummers wanna get in there and play fast, when they should actually be learning concepts and rhythms that sound cool slow as well as fast because anything can sound good fast in my oppinion. Hmmm, i dunno where im going with this.... Yes the slide technique is very helpfull with latin beats :)

I use a blend of John Blackwell and Jojo Mayer’s technique
That being said these two are complete opposites

John uses very high tension in his spring and iron cobras
I think that he has the best single pedal technique that I have ever seen

Jojo has very low spring tension and uses old Sonor phonics
In my opinion he has the closest second best technique in the history of close seconds

I think many people experience problems with ICs because they seem to have a heavier feel than other pedals but this can be overcome.
I would also note that I traded my IC powerglides for IC flexiglides

I will tell you that this might have been the smartest move I ever made.
The feel is absolutely perfect for intricate foot playing. I have achieved both of the best points of both techniques without adjusting my spring tension from my dead center position
I will never use a chain drive again

PS. on drummerworld. com there is a clip of Jojo playing a little tune on the bass drum. I practiced that song with my foot technique and now i can do freakin' anything with my right foot.

PPS. practice heel toe on Hi-Hats as well
Trust me

Later

Anyone have any videos at all of this technique? I never really heard much about it, and I've always thought I had a kind of strange way to play fast doubles/triples with my right foot. I kind of tilt my foot sideways on the second stroke... I'd post a video but I have no camera.
I'm just curious if I have been doing this "slide" technique all along. I never tried any special techniques, that's just what came naturally to me.

[QUOTE=Thomasnotlang]I use a blend of John Blackwell and Jojo Mayer’s technique
That being said these two are complete opposites

John uses very high tension in his spring and iron cobras
I think that he has the best single pedal technique that I have ever seen

Jojo has very low spring tension and uses old Sonor phonics
In my opinion he has the closest second best technique in the history of close seconds

I think many people experience problems with ICs because they seem to have a heavier feel than other pedals but this can be overcome.
I would also note that I traded my IC powerglides for IC flexiglides

I will tell you that this might have been the smartest move I ever made.
The feel is absolutely perfect for intricate foot playing. I have achieved both of the best points of both techniques without adjusting my spring tension from my dead center position
I will never use a chain drive again

PS. on drummerworld. com there is a clip of Jojo playing a little tune on the bass drum. I practiced that song with my foot technique and now i can do freakin' anything with my right foot.

PPS. practice heel toe on Hi-Hats as well
Trust me

Later[/QUOTE]

could you explain your technique?

what does john blackwell use?

and jojo mayer uses that rocking motion right? he doesnt actually hit the pedalboard with his heel does he?

As far as I can tell John's technique revolves around the rocking motion without the ball your foot moving at all. So if his foot was glued by the ball to the center of the pedal he could still use the technique

So I named his technique the "Static Rocking motion"
A clip of what I believe to be the most commonly used form of heel toe Technique can be found on Evans.com The Frank belluci Heel toe lesson

Now I’m going to be honest. I could use JBs technique to play short burst patterns like five and six stroke rolls.


But I couldn't @#$#ing get it into a continuous roll

That’s where Jojo came in.
I've heard his brand of heel toe referred to as the Ballistic and Slide Technique, because there is obviously more moving then just his heel and toe.

With JB I learned by watching his dvd but with Jojo I got the whole secret which is
He generates the first downward stroke (heel up) and pulls up with his heel. The toes follow naturally

I showed a guy who works at Sam ash and he picked it up right away cementing my belief that it is the easiest of the three techniques to develop into a fast yet controlled roll.

So for short and very quick little burst rolls, I don’t slide my foot.
For long and slower (but by no means slow) rolls I do slide my foot.

The thing about these techniques is that words don’t do them justice. Study Jojo clip on drummerworld.com and buy John Blackwell’s DVD. Then work at them

Remember that the heel toe is just the Moller Technique for the bass drum, and as I use both Moller and heel toe and many variations of heel toe, let me be the first to tell you that it will feel different from conventional techniques. Just because it feels a little off doesn’t mean you are doing it wrong

Ok I think that is it

Later

[QUOTE=breakster] So if you slide your foot almost forward the second stroke will happen with out you doing much because you are still pushing the pedal down. [/QUOTE]

But wouldn't that make the second stroke quieter?

i took out those rubber grips from my eliminator. i've been playing since christmas of 04 and i find this technique better than heel-toe. its all preference though.

it probably will, but that is just the basics of the technique. i still put in a but of downward force on the second stroke.

*huge bump for the benefit of someone who wanted to know about sliding

yup i posted a vid. im a cool guy. i know

[url]http://media.putfile.com/bass-drum-slide-technique-[/url]