[QUOTE=MightyMorphinPowerPepino]Not deep: She left me and I'm sad.
Not deep: My feet smell and I'm sad.[/QUOTE]
Make a song about a breakup using both those sentences and I will agree with you.

[QUOTE=Kif]Because that isn't emo. Emo is such a lost art nowadays, no one even knows what it is anymore. I know that it isn't what you said it was, that is just a cliche that everyone has in their mind, the same way people think moshers are goth-wannabe freaks with black clothes, spiey wristbands and too many bike chains on their trousers.
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this is probabaly the most accurate description of emo ive read on this forum. some say its the seminal emo bands from the 80's that are the true emo and some say its bands like thursday and alike who embody the emo genre, so no one can really put their finger on what emo is or mention an emo band without someone else putting up an argument or a link to a website that diputes it as not real emo.

im surprised people replied to this...

im not trying to put down emo, and im really not trying to say i know alot about emo music. i just made this thread to show people that emo music isn't just a bunch of little crybaby boys whining, i used blues as a comparison, i wasn't trying to say they were the same genre. i was just trying to say that liking emo music doesn't make you a crybaby loser.

i realize it was written quite poorly, and i suppose i could have really summed it up in a few sentences, but oh well..its too late now.

[QUOTE=izzy]That's pretty da[SIZE=2]mn[/SIZE] narrow minded of you, [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=izzy]Another thing.

Emo= The Opposite of good
Blues=Good

P.S.- Please don't fill these forums with rants about things you don't know anything about.[/QUOTE]
Heh, you always succeed in making me laugh izzy.

[QUOTE=DFelon204409]You are all so ignorant. Emo has been around since 1984, long before grunge was ever formed. On top of that emo isn't all about complaining. In fact most of it is extremely introspective and poetic as opposed to the straight forward, frank cynicism of the blues or the toned down Gen X values of grunge. Emo is ornate and extremely different than what you're pinning it down as.[/QUOTE]
I was going to say that.
Rep+++

[QUOTE=IhateUsernames]Heh, you always succeed in making me laugh izzy.[/QUOTE]

Thanks? *Doubts it's a compliment*

I think most of guys dont get the picture. EMO IS GAY!!! Most of you guys are right that emo and the blues aren't the same thing. And remember:
CLAPTON IS GUITAR GOD!!!!!!!

[QUOTE=DFelon204409]I'm really not buying it. Just because Saetia was the biggest force in emo doesn't mean they were the peak. I know you don't think that Gravity Records had screamo bands on it so I can also dismiss your opinion on that one. Gravity Records was ridiculous in terms of magnitude and scope for screamo, especially without the aid of stuff like hxcmp3.com and other sites that promote emo these days.[/QUOTE]


Uhh, I don't remember saying Saetia were emo.

Screamo. 1997-2000 (Maybe I listed something else in my last post but whatever).

Height of emo: Indian Summer, Embassy, Mainspring, etc.

[QUOTE=deejuks2]i hate emo people. they can't ever seem to have any sort of fun[/QUOTE]

OMGINSULTINGEMOKIDSISJUSTCOOLLOLZ!!!111!!!one!!!1!

[QUOTE=DFelon204409]Saetia is an emo band man. There is minimal off the hinge chaos that one can automatically associate with screamo. pageninetynine reeks of screamo whilst Saetia does not.[/QUOTE]

I bet they are.

Saetia kind of started all the 'screamo' fad.

Way after the whole emo scene.
Screamo bands don't need 'off the hinge chaos.'

Well, I guess that I would kind of have to half-*** agree with the original statement at hand.
I think Emo in a way is like blues because it IS about getting out the raw emotion of life that we all deal with, but I think that Emo does it in a more hardcore/angsty manner, which I prefer.

What type of music isn't about emotions though?

Yeah. I mean, you never hear terms like "Emo-Punk", "Emo-Metal", "Emo-Indie" or any crap like that. No, Emo is just a genre that just so happens to be very well focused on the emotion the majority of the time. Sometimes it isn't, but that doesn't stop it from being labled emo.

Ok, here are my views on "emo" as a genre. It doesn't exist. I know, blows your minds doesn't it? Let me rephrase, it doesn't exist or it exists in everything. Using "emo" as a genre label, in my opinion, is pointless as it is still unclear as to what "emo music" actually is. Give me any band you consider "emo" and I can put them in a genre that much better describes their music...that is, if you need a genre to classify it. As a musician, I try to pay close attention to what is happening in the music world (rock world more specifically) and I think that the emo genre (actually more of a subgenre than a genre unto its own) never needed to exist. Don't misunderstand, not the music that is to be considered emo, but the genre label itself. See, like I said, any music that some would put into an "emo" category, I can put in one that much better fits and maybe even compliments the music itself. I could keep going, but you get my point.

Am I the only one who finds it amusing that the DC post-hardcore scene has not been mentioned once? I mean C'mon, Ian Mackaye coined the phrase "emo". I'll agree with who ever it was that said emo is a "lost art form". Listen to Rites of Spring or Embrace and call them whiney.

I don't have a problem with emo music, but emo kids are just annoying...

And some of the emo-lyrics can get kinda annoying.

I'm not sure *Ponders more on the subject*

[QUOTE=DFelon204409]
-I mean seriously your user name is "Rocker4Lyf." How dare you try to maintain an opinion. You don't deserve one with a user name like that.[/QUOTE]

:lol:

:amaze:
... I found it amusing..

[QUOTE=theunknownspunk_0]Am I the only one who finds it amusing that the DC post-hardcore scene has not been mentioned once? I mean C'mon, Ian Mackaye coined the phrase "emo". I'll agree with who ever it was that said emo is a "lost art form". Listen to Rites of Spring or Embrace and call them whiney.[/QUOTE]

+4 Scene points for the Drive Like Jehu picture.

DFelon, you don't know as much as you think you do.

People often refer to emo as a 'lost art.'
I disagree. Try finding some releases by bands like Toru Okada, The Sea, The Sea, Die, Emperor! Die!, Sinaloa and Life at these Speeds.

Emo, as a genre, seems to refer to hardcore-rooted music that deals with more introspective topics in the lyrics than your typical hardcore band. The word was come up with by some guy making fun of Rites of Spring, and I believe their response was "what, so Bad Brains weren't emotional? were they just ****ing robots or something onstage?" The comparison to the blues seems extremely superficial to me.

Circle Takes The Square. Deeper than Taking Back Sunday, but just another part of the ****ty new wave of emo AND hardcore. Discount my opinion on that if you like...I listen to lots of freaky noise stuff now, I could be missing out on good stuff hidden away somewhere.

And the only recommendation I have is for you "emo wusses sing about losing their girlfriends who cares" guys is to give Moss Icon, Angel Hair, Heroin, and Mohinder a shot...

Thanks, dude.

It's good that someone apart from me finally made a statement against Circle Takes the Square being 'true emo.'

Mohinder are one of the best bands to [b]ever[/b] have existed.

stop interpreting blues so narrowly.

for those of you who call the guitar tones 'jazzy and mellow', listen to some howlin' wolf or muddy waters or bo diddly.

and for those of you who talk about blues being the complicated lamentations of a 'disenfranchised people' (as opposed to adolescent girl-crazy emo whining).... have you ever HEARD blues music? there is a MASSIVE, MASSIVE amount of material soley about lost love, unrequited love, cheating women, etc.

don't make assumptions.

[QUOTE=DFelon204409]You are an idiot...
-I mean seriously your user name is "Rocker4Lyf." How dare you try to maintain an opinion. You don't deserve one with a user name like that.[/QUOTE]


Oh, I get it...you're one of [I]those[/I] people. :thumb:

[I]"Emo, as a genre, seems to refer to hardcore-rooted music that deals with more introspective topics in the lyrics than your typical hardcore band. The word was come up with by some guy making fun of Rites of Spring, and I believe their response was "what, so Bad Brains weren't emotional? were they just ****ing robots or something onstage?" The comparison to the blues seems extremely superficial to me."[/I]

hmm...good point.

[QUOTE=Rocker4Lyf]Oh, I get it...you're one of [I]those[/I] people. :thumb:
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You mean the kind of person who can't respect the opinion of a person with a retarded user name?

off topic, but has any body seen Hot Cross live? I really want to go see them next week when they come to my town, if i can get off work. I'm sure they put on a great show, just wondering how great.

[QUOTE=srt-4]off topic, but has any body seen Hot Cross live? I really want to go see them next week when they come to my town, if i can get off work. I'm sure they put on a great show, just wondering how great.[/QUOTE]

They're pretty good live.

ok, thanks for the replies guys. i'll have to make sure to get off work for it then.

i guess what you said sorta made sense but i think you missed a couple things, like for example, the fact that an entire musical genre such as emo or the blues cant be summed up to the lyrical content. if you ask me the reason old blues music usually has sad lyrics is becuase it just fits better because of the blues actual style, which is usually sad, mellow guitars and as far as i know, usually slow tempo. if you put like energetic lyrics or something like that in blues music it just wouldnt sound right. also, the blues originated a long time ago so sappy blues songs were popular due to the times...people were not used to anything other than "soft" music. also, the blues arent necissarily sad, ive heard alot of blues stuff that isnt sad at all, its just the sad stuff is more popular, so theres alot more of it. and just to prove my "lyrics dont make the music" point, morrissey for example has sad lyrics and slow, sad, mellow music, but he isnt emo or blues. its the style, and the style for blues is slow and sad, so the lyrics fit better if theyre slow and sad too.

emo was cool, then the OC came along and ruined it

[QUOTE=TMA]You mean the kind of person who can't respect the opinion of a person with a retarded user name?[/QUOTE]

because "TMA" or "The Monkey Abuser" is the epitome of a user name that isn't retarded. It's just a name guys, get over it. I just expressed an opinion, take it or leave it. You chose to leave it. That's fine.

And actually, a few [I]other[/I] people in here actually gave me reasons to believe their opinions were valid ones.

[QUOTE=DFelon204409]I have heard it's ridiculous from reviews and friends. I missed them because I had mono that sucks so hard oh it stings.[/QUOTE]

They're alright live, I've seen better.

Certainly not 'ridiculous.'

You should've seen Antioch Arrow. ****.