Also, if it's not too much trouble to ask, could you please also demostrate going from singing falsetto into the falsetto scream so we can see the transition and figure out what's going on when you make that change.

[QUOTE=mactabilis]Still, am I right that there is simply no way to scream from your gut? I mean, you can get the volume of air coming from deep, but the rasp/scream sound is coming from your throat. I've been trying to scream in my gut without rasping my throat and it just doesn't happen.[/QUOTE]

its written that way to give an idea through words. the sounds are generated in one spot only. The support however should come from your diaphragm. Any instructor will tell you that. Dont think about it as being in your gut, jus supported by your gut. if you make a grunt, the feel in your stomach area is what im talking about. Thats basically it. but you learn to hold this behind a note. if you grunt, youre actually rasping the same way. but you cant just grunt an extending note because theres not enough air suupported behind the cords. so grunt and youre rasping! open up and activate the cords more and youre rasping a note.

i gotta get up in three hours, go to work, then drink cord dehydrating alchol at a party. so i'll get back to the rest of you guys soon.

take it easy.

Also bro, what's the most you should practice in a day? Is there a limit?

[QUOTE=shortstorieswithtragicendings]Also bro, what's the most you should practice in a day? Is there a limit?[/QUOTE]
I'd basically assume until you start to fatigue. Practice as much as you can, it can't hurt, unless it starts to physically hurt.

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]its written that way to give an idea through words. the sounds are generated in one spot only. The support however should come from your diaphragm. Any instructor will tell you that. Dont think about it as being in your gut, jus supported by your gut. if you make a grunt, the feel in your stomach area is what im talking about. Thats basically it. but you learn to hold this behind a note. if you grunt, youre actually rasping the same way. but you cant just grunt an extending note because theres not enough air suupported behind the cords. so grunt and youre rasping! open up and activate the cords more and youre rasping a note.[/QUOTE]
I can actually speak and sing while grunting... I've practiced it a lot. I feel like a complete dumbass for not realizing that's what I want. I just was always assuming I was doing it wrong.

[QUOTE=Emery_Walls]Hi,

Merkaba-1 i listened to your recordings and it helped me alot from when i started with nothing. I kinda like the type of scream for the music i play (EMERY, FINCH) those types of screams

What im trying to say is do you think you can give me some tips?, im not too good yet and i wanna get good so bad. I try but i get all this stuff on how to scream but some tips tell me things that i hear is wrong and i get confused.

OR CAN ANYONE HELP ME?

thanks

PS: PLZ be kind[/QUOTE]

both of you guys sound pretty da[SIZE=2]m[/SIZE]n good. Made my eyebrows raise.
the recording is pretty hot, high level sounding. so i cant really tell if all of the distortion is coming from the electronics or your throat. thats good for live situations but not good for me to disect. It sounds like you've got it though. They sound like chest voice, so i think you might be wanting to get a higher scream i guess? i've heard like one song by finch that i can remember and it was falsetto screamin like deftones. i kinda thought about them maybe trying to be like deftones in that song. that was like last year or so ago. something about "how to burn" or something with burn in it.

anyways. it also sounds like you might be pushing pretty hard. just be careful. especially with a chest voice scream. for higher screams you just practice singing the notes first. then relax and bank the air off of your throat its pretty much the same thing except you dont use your cords the same so it takes a bit of a different feel for your brain. this is why i suggest first practicing the isolation stuff and learn to sing the note first. that way youre only using your cords and not tensing up your larynx. then you know that what youre adding isnt a combination of tense actions, but just your normal hard singin note with some throat added. i mean you can try it all in one sitting. it doesnt have to be like two weeks of isolation only. just get the feel of hitting a higher note, then try to rasp it.

sounds good. Its chest voice so be sure not to over do these. but keep at it if there is no pain or affect on your speaking voice.
good job! :thumb:

edt: hot, high level sounding was not a complement. though it does sound good. i was meaning the input was high. just thought i should clarify just incase you read it the other way.

[QUOTE=shortstorieswithtragicendings]Also bro, what's the most you should practice in a day? Is there a limit?[/QUOTE]

If it was up to me i would practice at least two hours a day. maybe four if i had time to get two, two hours sessions in or something like that. i would do this maybe like three times a week. and maybe an hour and half on the other days. one day of lighter singing. i like singing alot of less stressful stuff too, so its not all screaming.

It kinda depends on what youre doing and what youre working on.

Now after a long session you might have more mucous the next day, you might not be able to tell its all mucous, it just may feel like stiff cords. but its often stiff cords and mucous. the next day you might need a longer warm up time to get loosened back up. Like i said, for me, i prefer to have about an hour warm up time. and then some time before i start trying to kill myself. so thats an hour and half right there. just feel yourself out and you know my mottos: no pain/no speaking voice alteration. stay hydrated, use proper technique. and warm down especially after a long session.

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]both of you guys sound pretty da[SIZE=2]m[/SIZE]n good. Made my eyebrows raise.
the recording is pretty hot, high level sounding. so i cant really tell if all of the distortion is coming from the electronics or your throat. thats good for live situations but not good for me to disect. It sounds like you've got it though. They sound like chest voice, so i think you might be wanting to get a higher scream i guess? i've heard like one song by finch that i can remember and it was falsetto screamin like deftones. i kinda thought about them maybe trying to be like deftones in that song. that was like last year or so ago. something about "how to burn" or something with burn in it.

anyways. it also sounds like you might be pushing pretty hard. just be careful. especially with a chest voice scream. for higher screams you just practice singing the notes first. then relax and bank the air off of your throat its pretty much the same thing except you dont use your cords the same so it takes a bit of a different feel for your brain. this is why i suggest first practicing the isolation stuff and learn to sing the note first. that way youre only using your cords and not tensing up your larynx. then you know that what youre adding isnt a combination of tense actions, but just your normal hard singin note with some throat added. i mean you can try it all in one sitting. it doesnt have to be like two weeks of isolation only. just get the feel of hitting a higher note, then try to rasp it.

sounds good. Its chest voice so be sure not to over do these. but keep at it if there is no pain or affect on your speaking voice.
good job! :thumb:[/QUOTE]


Hey Merkaba-1

Thanks for the tips you really have helped me, and yes the song is called [B]what it is to burn[/B]. I will keep at it and post more screams later.


:thumb: Emery

Sorry to bug you but i got another question
 

Hi Merkaba-1

I have another question, when you scream while saying some words like in the song [B]WALLS BY EMERY [/B] how is this done? from what i've heard is it has to have more rasp and needs a lower note then a high pitch scream, and if you could help me out that would be cool.

[QUOTE=mactabilis]I can actually speak and sing while grunting... I've practiced it a lot. I feel like a complete dumbass for not realizing that's what I want. I just was always assuming I was doing it wrong.[/QUOTE]


yea its the same but you have to open up and hold support that note, where as you dont support much when in a speaking voice. but yea, its the same feel at least. this stuff isnt much science. just practice. keep at it.

I know what you mean about mucous merkaba. Woke up the other morning and it was some kinda slime factory in my mouth.

[QUOTE=Emery_Walls]Hi Merkaba-1

I have another question, when you scream while saying some words like in the song [B]WALLS BY EMERY [/B] how is this done? from what i've heard is it has to have more rasp and needs a lower note then a high pitch scream, and if you could help me out that would be cool.[/QUOTE]

Its a falsetto scream. thats it. hes just screaming while saying something. thats what i was saying, you should have the same feel as if youre singing that note. so practice singing that note in falsetto like youre in an opera. sing the words he's saying without the rasp first. you have to be able to make the notes first. if you can, then you add rasp. then you can do it at the same time.
of course breath support is vital with something like this.

Screaming "Emery - Walls" kills your whole diaphragm if you're as bad at breathing as i am - it's like running 20 short sprints. I think i'll practice breathing some more...

[QUOTE=shortstorieswithtragicendings]Screaming "Emery - Walls" kills your whole diaphragm if you're as bad at breathing as i am - it's like running 20 short sprints. I think i'll practice breathing some more...[/QUOTE]
yea ...hehe. you should then.

but many people dont hold that pressure behind the cords. they'll open up and the air just flows right out. you should be holding like a grunt feel. but dont grunt. but thats the way the pressure should hold againts the cords.

its more about learning how to properly dam that air pressure while activating the cords. so youre probably not as bad off as you think. so think grunt, just dont grunt. sing! and relax that throat.

nice scream man.. **** i envy you

who?
 

[QUOTE=Horatiu]nice scream man.. **** i envy you[/QUOTE]

dude who's scream are you talking about?

no steve not yours :lol:

(tumbleweed rolls by)

[QUOTE=Winter-seed...AKA b&h]no steve not yours :lol:

(tumbleweed rolls by)[/QUOTE]

Hey ALEX, arent i allowed to asume it was me, mate?

hahahahah

NO! u know how i feel about you assuming




PS: sign onto msn u fook

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]edt: hot, high level sounding was not a complement. though it does sound good. i was meaning the input was high. just thought i should clarify just incase you read it the other way.[/QUOTE]

:naughty: i thought u were callin me hot

nah jks i gathered that u ment it was high output

My computer wont open Merkaba's sound things. Windows media player comes up and says it cannot be opened? What the fvck? Any help would be appreciated.

I will be happy to do voice over work for you as well as drum tracks...check out my voice and drums at my site.

[url]http://www.TartarDrumStudios.com[/url]

I would flame you advertising that here...but youre a pretty **** good drummer

Thanks dude you are cool!!!! :thumb:

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]I would flame you advertising that here...but youre a pretty **** good drummer[/QUOTE]

Jesus man...those screams were pretty scary just alone like that...

[QUOTE=Burningwater]Jesus man...those screams were pretty scary just alone like that...[/QUOTE]
:thumb:

Just a quick question, when you were doing those falsetto screams, basically all you were doing is saying hey and then applying the chest pressure, and then doing the throat thing?

Could you elaborate what you're doing with your throat? Like i think i have the idea but i just wanna make sure im doing it right.

Heres the DL on me, a friend of mine wants to start a screamo band, and i've always wanted to know how to scream, he gave me an offer to be the singer so i wanted to take a stab at it.

[QUOTE=blahr]Just a quick question, when you were doing those falsetto screams, basically all you were doing is saying hey and then applying the chest pressure, and then doing the throat thing?

Could you elaborate what you're doing with your throat? Like i think i have the idea but i just wanna make sure im doing it right.

Heres the DL on me, a friend of mine wants to start a screamo band, and i've always wanted to know how to scream, he gave me an offer to be the singer so i wanted to take a stab at it.[/QUOTE]

actually nevermind, i messed around for a little while and i got it i think :D!! You've made my day i love you man.

I feel like I'm going to make a normal high pitched note but i use a lot of the back of my throat. Try to whisper and sing the note at the same time, with the gut pressure, i wouldnt feel comfortable saying chest pressure. For a head or chest voice note, i apply extra pressure and use the back of the throat, Like if you were saying "annnnk" as in wrong answer. You would just have to relax the throat more and form the note.