yea, its important to watch how you talk if youre looking for all you can do to take care of your cords. alot of times we tense up when we talk and use a high larynx.

Imagine operatic singing. you just cant get that sound without diaphragm .

thanks. well i just gotta find the right time; preferably when i'm home alone, to practise.

My advice for all those who want to improve their vocal ability is to seek out as many resources as possible to learn about singing. The best resource is, of course, a competent teacher. If you can't afford a teacher (and even if you can), buy books on vocal technique. There are many that come with excercise CDs that you can work along with. And although most of these resources are targeted towards traditional (i.e. opera, rock, pop) singing styles, learning the mechanics of vocal sound production and the basics of proper technique will absolutely improve your ability no matter what styles you perform.

Also, as has been mentioned previously you should warm up and cool down for every practice and performance. Remember: it is far easier and effective to avoid injury than to recover from it. Good Luck!

Ok i gots a question. Is it true that drinking vodka straight strengthens your throat? Well not strengthens but makes it more... resistant to screams? It's probably a load of bollocks but if it was true, that would be cool...

[QUOTE=NoMoreHate]Ok i gots a question. Is it true that drinking vodka straight strengthens your throat? Well not strengthens but makes it more... resistant to screams? It's probably a load of bollocks but if it was true, that would be cool...[/QUOTE]
Good to see that you at least suspect its nonsense.
Why would it be true?
anything you drink goes straight down your esophagus and never touches your cords...that would involve you choking and gagging, remember how it works?

Further more, the only thing alcohol does is dry your cords out, from the inside out. Alcohol robs your body of water, which is why you will piss like Russian Race horse when you drink alot. and one of the first places it takes waterfrom is your throat. So to sum up....BUllSHlT!!

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]Good to see that you at least suspect its nonsense.
Why would it be true?
anything you drink goes straight down your esophagus and never touches your cords...that would involve you choking and gagging, remember how it works?

Further more, the only thing alcohol does is dry your cords out, from the inside out. Alcohol robs your body of water, which is why you will piss like Russian Race horse when you drink alot. and one of the first places it takes waterfrom is your throat. So to sum up....BUllSHlT!![/QUOTE]

Thanx for that. Obviously it wouldn't strengthen the chords, I thought it might harden the back of your throat a bit, just allow you to get more rasp or something. It's something Phil Anselmo said once. But anyways yeh thanx :)

I'll tell you how I learned to scream. I first kinda mimicked the sound whispering a lot, when I would sing along with stuff, but then I started doing it louder and louder, now my friends tell me I have "the shriek". BTW, could anyone give me tips on how to growl well? I can do it (kinda) but I always lose my breath doing it, and is it really bad for your vocal chords (what I heard)?

[QUOTE=NoMoreHate]Thanx for that. Obviously it wouldn't strengthen the chords, I thought it might harden the back of your throat a bit, just allow you to get more rasp or something. It's something Phil Anselmo said once. But anyways yeh thanx :)[/QUOTE]

Phil ? :lol: no wonder.

For growls, I push from the diaphragm, and a get a Mikael Akerfeld (Opeth) type growl.
For screams, the same but a bit differently, it's a Berzerker type scream. For a Dani Filth one, I inhale, if Dani does that exhaling he isn't human.

I find growling much easier than screaming, because I've always done it when listening to Opeth, Decapitated and stuff like that.

It is actually surprising how little sound you need to make to produce an audible 'growl' through a microphone, it can be a little above a whisper (it irritates my throat doing it loudly, and is unnessecary (sp?) with a microphone). I've heard it's more dangerous than screaming thought, someone told me Cannibal Corpse went through 3 different vocalists destroying their voices in succession or something. Sounds cool though hehe.

I just concentrate on kind of a loud whisper in a really deep voice. Try that, works for me. If it irritates your throat at all, make it more 'airy' (for want of a better word).

any body got a sample of link of this dani filth scream? I hear people talking about it and i want hear it. Thanks if you do.

[url]http://www.cradleoffilth.com/cof/main_page_800x600.htm[/url]

click one of the MP3 links. if that doesn't work just go to [url]http://www.cradleoffilth.com[/url] and click downloads.

does anyone know Matthew James-Bellamey, from Muse? If so, does anyone know how to sing with his high pitched voice? please share

lol, "Mathew James-Bellamy"? You must be foreign, hehe. You have three voices when singing (i think). You're chest voice (very low, bass notes), you're head voice (middle range) and falsetto. Falsetto is the one matt bellamy uses to get those high pitched wails. He also puts effects on his voice while he's up there (so he doesn't sound *too* girly)

Have you ever done an impression of a girl? If you have, chances are that was in your falsetto range and the best way to develop it, in my opinion, is to just sing along with a cd featuring that style of singing. If you like the falsetto sound, check out Jeff Buckley! :thumb:

[QUOTE=Vitriolic Rage]a Dani Filth one, I inhale, if Dani does that exhaling he isn't human.[/QUOTE]
**** right
for a dani filth one I have to inhale
for a growl - like the start of lord abortion push the daiphragm right down and try to get the adam's apple right down in the throat...

thanks for that dredq. i live in australia... dunno if thats foreign to u tho.

Ahh right, cool! No offence was intended man, was just an observation! In the UK, he's affectionaly known as 'Matt Bellamy', hehe :)

o ok :D no offence taken.

I have a question , how loud should my scream be? may sound idiotic but y'know...

Also

I would like to learn how to scream like Josh Scogin, former singer of Norma Jean and current singer of The Chariot, he doesn't have that high pitched "screamo" or "emocore" scream.

you can listen to him here
[url]http://boss.streamos.com/download/toothandnail/downloads/normajean/norma_jean_memphis_hi.mov[/url]

and here
[url]http://www.purevolume.com/thechariot[/url]

Alot of this has helped me since i posted it, but i still cant get much of a rasp. Still need help with that. Like I understand how to close of the back my throat, i can do that, but to make a scream come out is impossible.So yeah still need help

Hey Merkaba... I just need some backup to see if I'm doing my scream right.
To make it short, I'm in a speed/melodic/classic metal band, and I mostly sing. I've taken a few vocal lessons, but I've figured much out on my own. I understand how sing chest, head, and falsetto, and I use all 3 forms in our music, and I can do a "rasp" or "distortion" on my head and falsetto singing voice. But I never really understood how to all-out scream until now.
I think I'm doing it right, it sounds loud enough, and I'm not in pain. My throat feels somewhat scratchy, but it only feels that way if I overdo it, I think. I recorded it, and I think it sounds decent compared to some other people's screams I've heard on here. Keep in mind, this is my first day seriously trying to scream... so bear with me. I'll post some stuff on soundclick in a second for everyone to hear.

I guess screaming is king of like "rasp-singing", you know what I mean? All I'm pretty much doing is imagining a note in my head and making that note except with much much more power behind it so it's an-all out scream... I'm really not sure if it's a head or falsetto voice, it's definitely not chest, I can't do guttoral screams... but I seem to harmonize with Children of Bodom and sound most like them more than anyone else.

[url]http://www.soundclick.com/pendingdemise[/url]

Alright... here's my vox. Copy and paste, people. Tell me if I'm doing it right or wrong.. I'm pretty sure I'm doing it right, I got volume and it doesn't hurt. I read pretty much everything Merkaba wrote, and that really helped.
So tell me what you think.. thanks.

I think the screams and the falsetto sound awful.

In your "falsetto vocals" you are pushing way too hard.

I think you aren't opening your throat up enough when you scream.

Thanks for your opinion. I'm not sure about my scream, since I'm not really experienced at that, but my falsetto (singing) probably just sounds funny because of the cheap mic. Besides... that was close to the highest falsetto note I can hit, so yeah, I probably was pushing hard, but it's the only way I can hit notes that high. I was just testing it out and seeing how it sounds on recording.
I think my scream sounds decent, but how can I open my throat more? I would think that if I did that, it wouldn't come out as a scream... I dunno, I don't really understand screaming yet.

I didn't understand it at first either. It took me about a year to get it. But once you figure out it's really easy.

Yeah, I bet. It didn't hurt while I was doing it, so I thought I was doing it right because it was loud and didn't hurt and all. But later that day and the next day my throat was kind of scratchy. Is that normal the first few times, do I need to build it up? Or am I just doing it wrong?

If you've been doing it for a while your thraot might hurt a little afterwards. If it's so bad that you can hardly talk, you're doing your vocals wrong.
Anyway, some tips from me:
For a Dani Filth type scream, I inhale.
When I'm doing my standard black metal scream vocals, I find sort of baring your teeth a little and sort of tensing your jaw helps. And remember, you must push air from your diaphragm, if you are just doing it straight from the throat that's not good.
Stand up straight as well (when recording, at a gig do what the hell you want;)), not slouched, you can breathe much better and your airways are more open.

Screaming is for bands with bad lyrics.

I have a problem, when I scream or try, I can get up to a volume that is around my normal speaking voice, but I can't seem to get any louder. Maybe I have a totally bad technique, I'm not sure. I'm trying the whole pull the back of throat down and apply pressure, but the volume isn't there.