[QUOTE=Det_Nosnip]You also put Godsmack under "traditional heavy metal," despite the fact that they're just as heavily imbedded in the nu-metal crowd, and I would in fact consider them one of the quinticential nu-metal bands. [/QUOTE]

I was just about to say something along those lines aswell.

Also out of random curiousity where would pantera go?

[QUOTE=lukeyj]Also out of random curiousity where would pantera go?[/QUOTE]

Thrash probably.

...I actually like that he put Godsmack into the heavy metal section, because I don't think Godsmack fits the Nu Metal mold. Neither does SOAD or Mudvayne, but I'm not here to argue that, really. I do like the fact that you included such bands, however, because unlike tr00 metalheads, I think it [b]is[/b] a type of metal. Don't turn this into a bash me thread though, please. Flame me elsewhere if you wish

I think including Power Metal would've been good, since alot of people (like me) knew nothing about it till I got on these boards.

And not to start another argument about Tool, but where would you, personally, classify them? I notice you didn't list them in Prog Metal, so while some disagree as to whether they really are or are not prog...where do you classify them? I ask Legions only, so I don't want 40 responses arguing with me over where they should fit

Industrial Metal:
I've often heard industrial metal compared to techno, mainly because it has prevalent use of synthesizers as a major instrument. It takes cues from 80's industrial dance music that was popular in the club scene, and adds metal guitars to create an aggresive effect. Industrial metal is meant to create a very bleak atmoshpere. The lyrics are aggresive and very, very angst-ridden, and the angry atmoshpere is used to further the theme of social alienation. The genre was mainly underground until Nine Inch Nails broke through into the mainstream with the album Pretty Hate Machine.

Key bands: Ministry, Nine Inch Nails, Skinny Puppy, Fear Factory, Orgy, Godflesh, etc. etc.

[QUOTE=Nazi Bassist]...I actually like that he put Godsmack into the heavy metal section, because I don't think Godsmack fits the Nu Metal mold. Neither does SOAD or Mudvayne, but I'm not here to argue that, really. I do like the fact that you included such bands, however, because unlike tr00 metalheads, I think it [b]is[/b] a type of metal. Don't turn this into a bash me thread though, please. Flame me elsewhere if you wish

I think including Power Metal would've been good, since alot of people (like me) knew nothing about it till I got on these boards.

And not to start another argument about Tool, but where would you, personally, classify them? I notice you didn't list them in Prog Metal, so while some disagree as to whether they really are or are not prog...where do you classify them? I ask Legions only, so I don't want 40 responses arguing with me over where they should fit[/QUOTE]

The reason I put Godsmack in Heavy Metal and not nu-metal is because even though their songs are drop tuned and relatively simple, the vocals are a lot closer to that of more traditional metal that those of nu-metal. And they have guitar solos in almost every song. No they may not be all out shred solos, but the solos are there and they're longer than a few short notes.

As far as Tool goes...I really don't know what I'd call them. The only 2 albums I have are Undertow and Aenima (sp?) which are kind of hard to really classify. I'd always called them hard rock but that's just me.

[QUOTE=LegionsofMarduk]The reason I put Godsmack in Heavy Metal and not nu-metal is because even though their songs are drop tuned and relatively simple, the vocals are a lot closer to that of more traditional metal that those of nu-metal. And they have guitar solos in almost every song. No they may not be all out shred solos, but the solos are there and they're longer than a few short notes.

As far as Tool goes...I really don't know what I'd call them. The only 2 albums I have are Undertow and Aenima (sp?) which are kind of hard to really classify. I'd always called them hard rock but that's just me.[/QUOTE]

I totally agree on Godsmack..

Tool is kind of hard to classify sometimes...Opiate and Undertow are mainly hard rock albums, with dark edges to them...Lateralus is a prog album to most people, which leaves Aenima. I think Aenima is a hard rock/prog album, because of songs like Eulogy, Aenima and Third Eye which are somewhat to really progressive, and hard rock songs like Stinkfist, 46 and 2, Hooker. So...

I've always said Tool was their own genre anyway :D

Ok, here are all the genres of metal listed on allmusic.com:

Power Metal
Punk Metal
Stoner Metal
Scandinavian Metal
Doom Metal
New Wave of British Heavy M
Symphonic Black Metal
Pop-Metal
Neo-Classical Metal
Progressive Metal (done)
Industrial Metal (done)
British Metal
Alternative Metal
Funk Metal
Hair Metal
Thrash (done)
Death Metal/Black Metal (done)
Grindcore (done)
Speed Metal (done)

I wrote “done� next to the ones I’m pretty sure are done….everyone should feel free to write definitions.

Once they are all done, Marduk should edit his original post to include all the genres

I woulda said Opeth as Melodic...

[QUOTE=LegionsofMarduk]Thrash metal
Thrash really started to come into play in the early 1980's. It was in one way, an answer to the more popular "hair metal" bands of the time. Thrash grew out of older metal such as Black Sabbath combined with chunkier riffs, speed, agrresive vocals, and even some punk. Thrash metal is concentrated more heavily on speed and aggression than it's predacessors. Key bands: Metallica (old stuff), Slayer, Anthrax, Kreator, Sodom, Megadeth, Exodus, Overkill, Nuclear Assault, Sabbat (UK), Darkane etc etc.[/QUOTE]

Thats Speed Metal. (although those bands are thrash.) Thrash riffs are almost completely open-E based. Thrash is also faster, heavier, and more agressive than speed metal. And you didn't get the best thrash band of all time,
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I wasnt being rude, you turd. :p (epifreak)

So he didn't mention your favorite band; that's no excuse to be rude. You can mention the band and your difference of opinion and still remain civil. Watch:

In my opinion, your definition for thrash metal fits speed metal better. Thrash metal riffs are almost always E-based, and thrash is typically heavier, faster, and more aggresive than speed metal. Dark Angel (I'm assuming ****ing wasn't part of their actual band name.) is another band that would fit this genre well.

Now, was that so hard?

good read....but add powermetal please :)

Also i think you should say in the traditional metal that european/british, and american styles vary greatly (british more focussed on melodic vocals and twin guitar work whereas american usually has more brutal vocals and a distinct separation between rhythm and lead guitars like iced earth and metallica)

^ hm, you're right! I never noticed that!

^^ If that's true, it's likely due to American metal being heavily influenced by the hardcore punk of the time... most of the "American metal" you're referencing has slightly more technical hxc punk guitar for the rhythm parts, and more "traditional European" lead guitars.

Good job Legions. :thumb:
Finally someone agrees with me that Godsmack is not mallcore.

If anyone should do hardcore and all its sub-genres...it should be Bigsby.

Or me in a close second:p

Wow, excellent list there Legions :thumb:
I was always confused about black/death metal...always been a prog-head myself though :)

[QUOTE=Nazi Bassist]I've always said Tool was their own genre anyway :D[/QUOTE]

I would completely agree :chug:

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Just settle down, hey?

MetalCore:

a subgenre of hardcore (the most brutal from of punk), vocals are screamed and music is fast and simple. Usually very Metal-ish riffs and breakdowns sometimes containing pinch harmonics, with the structure of hardcore songs. Bands include Atreyu, early Avenged Sevenfold, from autumn to ashes, Poison the well.

Hair Metal:

80's pop metal. Typical party music, vocals are sung cleanly and cheesy backing vocals shouted by about 5 or 6 guys are generally evident. Hair metal is highly focused on image, hence the name. Big hair, spandex and high amounts of make up are big factors that make up the hair metal image. Lyrical topics generally include girls, love, partying, cars etc. Guitar riffs are usually simple and cheesy, drums are simple and so is bass. there are usually cheesy show-off guitar solos throughout hair-metal songs as well. Bands include Motley Crue, Poison, Ratt, Van Halen and twisted sister.

^ Van Halen aren't hair metal, brah. They were before it. Other hair metal bands: Skid Row, Autograph, Dokken, Def Leppard, Nelson etc.

Neo classical metal; Bands that encompass the influence of both classical compositions and traditional heavy metal elements into their music. Neo-classical metal is usually very melodic, and the musicianship is very high. Neo-classical metal had the height of it's popularity during the 1980's. Key bands: early Ozzy Osbourne, Yngwie Malmsteen, early Symphony X (also filed under prog-metal, whilst the huge classical influence is there), Stratovarius, Angra etc.

Funk metal: Bands that make use of both metal and funk elements into their music. The songs are usually driven by a slap funk bass line, with crunchy, palm muted metallic guitars. The drums are usually funk based, and the vocals are either rapped or shouted. Funk metal had an undeniably huge influence upon rock music of the last ten years. Key Bands: Infectious Grooves, RATM (heavier than rap rock ie RHCP), Electric Boys etc

Alternative Metal:

A form of metal which can encompass many other sub-genres of metal itself, or sounds from completely different genres. Usually bands which are harder to place ( ie. dont really resemble DM,Black Metal, Prog, Power...) on the metal spectrum are considered alternative metal.

These are [I]some[/I] bands which I consider alternative metal. Correct me if you disagree
Tomahawk, Deftones, A Perfect Circle, Tool, Fantomas, Helmet, Faith No More, Mr Bungle, (early) Incubus, Oceansize(sometimes), System of A Down.

[QUOTE=deftoned]^ Van Halen aren't hair metal, brah. They were before it. Other hair metal bands: Skid Row, Autograph, Dokken, Def Leppard, Nelson etc.

Neo classical metal; Bands that encompass the influence of both classical compositions and traditional heavy metal elements into their music. Neo-classical metal is usually very melodic, and the musicianship is very high. Neo-classical metal had the height of it's popularity during the 1980's. Key bands: early Ozzy Osbourne, Yngwie Malmsteen, early Symphony X (also filed under prog-metal, whilst the huge classical influence is there), Stratovarius, Angra etc.

Funk metal: Bands that make use of both metal and funk elements into their music. The songs are usually driven by a slap funk bass line, with crunchy, palm muted metallic guitars. The drums are usually funk based, and the vocals are either rapped or shouted. Funk metal had an undeniably huge influence upon rock music of the last ten years. Key Bands: Infectious Grooves, RATM (heavier than rap rock ie RHCP), Electric Boys etc[/QUOTE]

You can basically file neo classical metal under powermetal. I see it more as an influence rather than a genre.

a mod should go in and delete the other meaningless posts (including this one) so that we can just have a list of the important genres from marduk, axeslinga etc...

[QUOTE=DoktorShred]You can basically file neo classical metal under powermetal. I see it more as an influence rather than a genre.[/QUOTE]
True, but I still see a distinct difference between Yngwie and Ozzy to Iced Earth. The influences are similar, but I still think there's a difference, but the genres do overlap.

[QUOTE=deftoned]True, but I still see a distinct difference between Yngwie and Ozzy to Iced Earth. The influences are similar, but I still think there's a difference, but the genres do overlap.[/QUOTE]

I dont consider iced earth even remotely neo classical or powermetal...

[url]http://www.metal-reference.com/preface.html[/url]

[QUOTE=chimairaforlife]a mod should go in and delete the other meaningless posts (including this one) so that we can just have a list of the important genres from marduk, axeslinga etc...[/QUOTE]

Either that, or Marduk should copy them all into his original post. Either way, we need to have ALL the definitions before it happens.

Gothic Metal (I'm no metal expert, so someone do another one if mines inaccurate):

Gothic metal is an extension of Gothic Rock, which originated around the early 80s. The godfathers of gothic rock were Joy Divison. Gothic Metal is often very atmospheric and includes female vocals and keyboards very often (though not always). Gothic Metal takes the bleak and icy atmospherics of Gothic Rock, and mixes them with the aggression and loud instruments of Metal. Lyrics are often (but not always) about religion, romantic issues, mysticism and horror. Gothic music has a dress style, which was mainly taken from post punk bands of the 70s, such as The Cure and Siouxie and the Banshees. Bands include: Nightwish, Lacuna Coil, (arguably) Evanescence, The Gathering and Type O Negative.

[QUOTE=DoktorShred]I dont consider iced earth even remotely neo classical or powermetal...[/QUOTE]
I consider them to be power, and I was saying that they don't sound like neo classical, ie early Ozzy.

I would really like a good definition of Hardcore. I'm still unsure what exactly it encompasses.