[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by thee unsound [/i]
[B]Rooster: I'll get around to it eventually, I have to get back to studying now :( ****in mathematical statistics is killin me ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. I was never in a choir, what kinda range do you have? Chris cornells awesome :) i wish i could sing some of those high notes, the highest note I can hit is A#4 full voice[/B][/QUOTE]

I really don't know, at first my teacher said it was very high for a bloke but then she said it was very low. I can hit most of Cornell's notes pretty well (Without his kinda witchey personal sound mind) but I can't hit the second note in about girl by Nirvana. It's weird as hell.:confused:

How would I go about producing a Marilyn Manson type scream? And another thing, I don't really have a problem with losing my breath but when I sing I tend to salivate a lot. It really screws me up. Any pointers on how to get around this?

Screaming symphony: Here is what i think you're problem is-- are you practising with a microphone? Screaming without killing your throat is about quality over loudness, push, but go for SOUND not loudness, you can get loudness with a PA!!! Turn up the PA to a really high volume and let the scream roll on the back of your throat, and see how loud you can get it, it sounds hardcore. I'm tellin ya it works. It does take a while to get good at it though--practise to the point of pain, like working a muscle. I wish i was a tenor :( I also just realised a few days ago, its not so much your falsetto as it is making a blend between pushing your whispering voice and your falsetto... using the falsetto more if you want higher range... its freakin hard to explain sorry! Just mess around if you can't figure it out bug me again ill try my best to put it all in theory.... remember im still learning as well :)

Rooster: About a girl eh? Depending on which version you are singing that high note in it is a A or a G# (or is it Ab i was never sure). A if your singing along to the one of bleach, and G# if you're singing off unplugged. I can hit those notes and I am a baritone tenor, so i am guessing you are a baritone. So im not really sure how you can sing chris cornell songs unless you are singing the lower ones, like maybe "like a stone".

Doll: From what I hear of him the "Marilyn Manson scream" isn't really a scream, its just singing aggressively. I'm basing this off of the songs i know by him (which is limited lol), the fight song and the beautiful people. If you think otherwise post a song and ill listen to it and ill tell you whats what. So right its done with the diaphram, and its just hitting those high notes raspy, theres no real way to sound like "just like him", everybodys voice is different. I guess you could practise impersonating him if you wanted. This type of scream requires you to be a singer... ie. you can't be tone deaf lol or it will just sound retarded... you could probably fake your way through it by screaming... but its not the same. WHat you want is singing lessons not screaming lessons :P maybe ill get around to that someday. This is the same kind of scream as the linkin park, or nirvana scream... none of them sound the same because they all have different voices, but its essientially the same shat.

I invite any tips anyone has on screaming or singing, or aggressive singing as well cause as i said im learning as well and don't have all the answers. Hope this all makes sense.

thee unsound you are a bloody legend
im not a very good singer but i started lessons and my teacher is really bad, so this helped out a lot
yeah more singing lessons would be mad
ta dude

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by thee unsound [/i]
[B]Rooster: About a girl eh? Depending on which version you are singing that high note in it is a A or a G# (or is it Ab i was never sure). A if your singing along to the one of bleach, and G# if you're singing off unplugged. I can hit those notes and I am a baritone tenor, so i am guessing you are a baritone. So im not really sure how you can sing chris cornell songs unless you are singing the lower ones, like maybe "like a stone". [/B][/QUOTE]

I was singing with a guitarist (On electric), drummer and bassist, so I guess you could say it was the version from Bleach. The Chris Cornell songs I sing are mainly the Audioslave numbers, a few Temple of the Dog and Soundgarden tunes and 'Right Turn' with Alice in Chains. I've never really seen him as that high a singer to be honest, is his solo stuff very high pitched?

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by thee unsound [/i]
[B]give me an example of a deathmetal band, and give me a song by them that would you like to start with. I will listen to it and let you know. [/B][/QUOTE]

How is it done on In Flames - The Jesters Race?

Well the highest scream I have ever heard is made by :) Death - Painkiller.I have gone from the nut of the guitar to the bridge and there is no note like this,Chuck Schuldiner is one helluva singer.I havent heard anybody to scream like him.

Rooster: errr i guess you don't know much about nirvana there buddy :) bleach was released before any cd, so yah... unplugged was done much later.. anyways he sings high in a lot of songs, ie. pretty noose, superunknown, and in audioslave he sings pretty high in cochise. His solo stuff kinda sucked (from what I've heard) i never listened to it much.

Mortzor: I would sugguest trying out a few people, I think I went through 3 or 4 teachers before I found out one I liked. An important thing to do is ASK THEM TO SING, if they won't do it, then f*ck it you want to know the person you are learning from IS GOOD, you wouldn't learn to drive from someone who can't drive would you lol ? A lot of people who teach suck balls. Also if you are a guy, get a male teacher and get a teacher who is into the kind of music you are into, not someone pretending to be. You don't want to learn to sing rock music from some guy singing opera. Its important to get a guy, because they will understand your voice more than a girl will, and vice versa for girls. I say this mainly because singing lessons are pretty FACKIN expensive. I remember i dished out about 50 bucks for em at a point from this dude who was really good. The best deal i got was when i took a university course in vocal it was 450 for a year of singing lessons lol awesome! Ya and this guy could scream, like a mother****, any band, I'd tell him to listen to then next week he'd come to the lesson go into the mic and hed do it, thats the kinda person you wanna get!

If you wait a week or two, I will eventually make a singing pointers thread. (hopefully)

thank you for specifying the blend between whispering and falsetto, i know exactly what you mean (what i do when i try to make funny noises like gollum) but i still don't understand how that can sound anything like the screams that i have heard. they sound more like just manually distorting your voice. so far that has what has worked best for me, however it has hurt my throat a bit, so i've stopped for now as it will probably wreck my voice.

i think drinking pop or milk helps the scream, because the way i do it is to scream through the fluid in my throat.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by thee unsound [/i]
[B]Rooster: errr i guess you don't know much about nirvana there buddy :) bleach was released before any cd, so yah... unplugged was done much later.. anyways he sings high in a lot of songs, ie. pretty noose, superunknown, and in audioslave he sings pretty high in cochise. His solo stuff kinda sucked (from what I've heard) i never listened to it much.[/B][/QUOTE]

No no!! I know full well that Bleach was their first, it's just the fact I had electric guitar accompaniment rather than accoustic that I'd be trying to sing that version. Erm, this is kinda confusing for both of us so I'll leave the issue of About a girl.

Yeah, come to think of it, Cochise is high as hell, I've pretty much always just screamed that song or sung it quieter and deeper, I don't think I could go that high properly, seems I can go higher with screams. Which I guess is pretty normal;)

Your posts are really helpful dude, thanks. My teacher is female by the way, but I now have another who's a male, but he's gonna have me singing classical.:upset:

Hey Thee, thnx for the new whispering falsetta scream discription. Since my voice is so high to begin with my scream sound alot like Bert Mckracken from The Used. I can sound just like him in all the songs and really dead on in Poetic Tragedy at the end of it. I did it right too cuz i was still able to sing about 4/5 of my full potential, i guess itll get better as i do it right? I still have yet to hit that Nate Barcelow from Finch scream. Im gonna keep at it though, i wont be happy till i can do it all!!!!!!!

Thnx alot though Thee, you dont even know how much you helped me. All my doctors told me to stop screaming cuz it was gonna fry my voice (i screamed thru my diaphram) but i couldnt stop cuz it would change the entire wasy i sing. So REALLY, thnx man.

rooster: classical isn't bad... I took classical and jazz in university last year, but it really wasn't my thing. I remember at my examinations they said i was too "hollywood" ... wtf does that mean lol. If you like it do it, if you don't I'd look for another teacher, its way too much money to spend on soemthing you're not interested in.

symphony: hey no problem man, the more you practise it the better it will get. After a while you'll be able to get volume and you won't be so dependant on the mic--and the best thing is it doesn't hurt your voice! Eventually you will learn different ways to tweak it, just little things here and there that are kind of impossible to explain in writing, so you will be able to do different styles of it. So good luck, hopefully soon I can post some of my bands stuff so you guys can here my screams, It'd be great if you could post some of your stuff :)

Yeah that would be good. I can scream kinda like Geoff from Thursday. But i cant sing that well which really pisses me off. Do you have any good vocal exercises to maybe get my voice up to what it should be? Plus, can't wait for to hear your band.

Lol, man i had a mixture of singing in the car and choir. The main you would need help with is breathing. Thee can prolly helpe you out with that. The main thing i would say is PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE!!!! Never overdrive your voice either, just sing as loud as you can with distorting the sound. Eventually youll get the presence and the sound you want. Mostly i would say suck it up and pay for a few vocal lessons and just use the lessons on your own. Later.......

I ment as loud as you can WITHOUT distorting your voice. ;)

there is an edit button you know ;)

oh and thee unsound, i'm doing what you said, but i can only create freakishly high sounds that sound like horror movie sound effects. help?

i am a mid to high baritone by the way, if that makes any difference

use the mixture between your whisper/falcetto voice instead of the just falcetto voice, it toughens it up a bit. Its the technique i am using now. Also make sure you are screaming on the exhale, and not the inhale, screaming on the inhale sounds scary and wierd and really really really f*cks up your voice.

Once again, how do i scream like In Flames - The Jesters Race?

one way i learned how to scream is just scream the alphabet. that would help a lot. get used to screaming the sounds of the letter too. !!!!

TheUnavoidable: Listened to the song, it seems to me its the same sort of technique used in the fear factory stuff. This isn't my forte` but as i posted earlier you can't really use your falcetto here... the voice also sounds like its tweaked a bit in the studio. Anyways in an earlier post I said to use your diaphram, but I also recently discovered if you use the "whisper voice" in correlation with your diaphram you can get a NICE tone going. Look on page 2 and read the bit i wrote to that guy about the fear factory scream. All the other technique should be the same... im not sure what else to say :)

if you want to check out some great scream singing with wide range, check out The Dillenger Escape Plan and Between the Buried and Me. Their cd release show is in Charlotte at tremont music hall this month :D

what about tick tacks?

ok, seriously now. when i add more whisper into my scream it just layers a whisper hiss on top of the freaky falsetto scream. when i do it completely whisper, it sounds a little closer to something like deftones, but still not close, and it's not even a scream... i need to get this down...

you just have to practise, lol, it doesn't come right away for most people... i know it can work, use a microphone if you can't get the volume you want, eventually you won't be so dependant on it.

yeah, i guess, i just don't really know how to do it right... oh well, i'll try to find a voice teacher.

when you do it right, is it supposed to hurt your throat a bit or not?

not really dude, i mean obviously its going to be irritated a little after doing it for 20 or 30 minutes straight. But unless your in a band where you scream all the time (since im not) its never been my problem. I scream in only about 15%-20% of a song. So i never have to scream more than 20 seconds at a time. A voice teacher is deffinately good.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by thee unsound [/i]
[B]TheUnavoidable: Listened to the song, it seems to me its the same sort of technique used in the fear factory stuff. This isn't my forte` but as i posted earlier you can't really use your falcetto here... the voice also sounds like its tweaked a bit in the studio. Anyways in an earlier post I said to use your diaphram, but I also recently discovered if you use the "whisper voice" in correlation with your diaphram you can get a NICE tone going. Look on page 2 and read the bit i wrote to that guy about the fear factory scream. All the other technique should be the same... im not sure what else to say :) [/B][/QUOTE]

Thanks. I too suspect there is some studio altering going on, and i have heard the song live and he doesn't have the same "low end."

Hmmm ...
Can Anyone here scream like Matt Bellamy of Muse or Mike PAtton ?
If so ... How.

hey dude, is the screaming at the gates - captor of sin(slayer cover) done b the same technique as the one you told me earlier?