[QUOTE=Otherside]My theory on St. Anger: Metallica made a album that appeals to all the current nu-metal kids, who have no idea what real music is. And then their next album will be pure thrash, and all the nu-metal kids will go holy ****!!!

Or maybe it's just my dream :upset:[/QUOTE]

I want that dream too :upset:

[QUOTE=schweinhunt]
Although even The Ramones had some solos (Metallica defenders tend to think SHRED when someone mentions 'solo' - probably because they when they think 'solo', they think Hammet - but I don't hear much shred in "Somebody to Love"), the real problem with the lack of solos is that St. Anger has LONG songs, and longer songs tend to have solos to keep themselves interesting - or if not solos, at least plenty of variation in the riffage. But I find nothing on St. Anger which can hold my attention past the middle of the songs. Because there aren't many intense metal riffs found there like the well-developed riffs of RTL, and more importantly all the riffs sound extremely similar. Chunk-chunk. Not a slightest bit of variation in the drumming either, what's there which is worthwhile for me to listen to it entirely through - for the fifth time?
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i think thats wonderfully put. for a song as long as to live is to die, its amazing how interesting and new each part becomes. i can listen to the full 10 minutes or so and it would feel like 2 minutes. this also applies to other metllica songs like ktulu, orion, justice, disposable hereoes, etc. etc.
i sort of compare a song to a book
if the song is well-written and not that repetitive, you want to keep on listening to it, just like a good suspenseful story
however, the opposite is just a plain, bland story. sure its still a story and st. anger is still a song (no matter how boring it is)....but after a while the song becomes so predicatble and you just dont feel like listening to it anymore.

i remember from school my english teacher told me to make my stories more interesting by adding more details and suspense to them. usually if there are some "suddenlys" and perhaps some unexpected turning points in a story, it is more suspenseful. that is what i like when it happens to songs. for examples, in the justice song, you hear this wonderfully beuatiful beginning and then there is that "suddenly", were the song changes melody a bit (but still nice and flowing together). that makes me want to hear more. all those "suddenlys" make the song more interesting. st, anger is usually the smae, not many turning points in the song which makes you go "i wanna hear more!"

now i dont thinkthat st anger is a terribly horrible album. there are some nice riffs here and there, but theyre only some riffs with some useless boring filling in between them so it makes a song. i think that metallica should work on the details and suspense some more, just like my english teacher always said, to make the songs more suspenseful. personally i dont think they put all the thought they could into the album.

[QUOTE=guitarfrog]
now i dont thinkthat st anger is a terribly horrible album. there are some nice riffs here and there, but theyre only some riffs with some useless boring filling in between them so it makes a song. i think that metallica should work on the details and suspense some more, just like my english teacher always said, to make the songs more suspenseful. personally i dont think they put all the thought they could into the album.[/QUOTE]

I think that St. Anger was just a rushed album. I mean there a few cool songs on it but really nothing great.

An official Metallica thread wow this is great. However I'd like to first say that I agree with many in the idea that St. Anger was garbage. Maybe if it was a completely new band the music wouldn't have sucked so badly but the fact that Metallica used to play real music and now plays this junk makes it that much worse. I mean come on there is so much talent in Kirk and Lars and even James but they are just playing what the radio likes which is strange because the radio liked what they did before too. I think the greatest song is Hit the Lights but probably because I am a guitarist and love the solos on that song cause they are intense! RIP Metallica...maybe its time to throw in the towel.

[QUOTE=Squeaky]I think that St. Anger was just a rushed album. I mean there a few cool songs on it but really nothing great.[/QUOTE]
yeah, "My world", and "the unnamed feeling" are both great songs.

Guitarfrog and sweinhunt both made great points about the band i mean the more variety in a song that there is, the more interesting, as long as the variety isnt just random (aka I hate Mr Bungle). All of metallicas instrumentals are amazing and beautiful and all of their guitar solos are pretty crazy too. And yes when i think solo i do think shredding :lol: but i try not to too much.

About St Anger, there are some good songs on it like, as said, the unnamed feeling and my world and I also think that Sweet Amber is pretty good

One last thing did anyone notice that there are lyrics in St Anger that are also in Damage Inc...

St Anger: "**** it all, ****in no regrets / Ive hit the lights on these dark sets"
Damage Inc.: "**** it all and ****in no regrets / Never happy endings on these dark sets"

It kinda makes me think that he went back to maybe an old state of mind at some point, like something pushed him over the edge at some point. Then again he probably came up with a lot of his ideas while in rehab...

Woah, i just found out today my friend in english class has the coffin thing they made only 500 of

Eh, i thought it was cool

[QUOTE=CreepingBlack]yeah, [b]"My world"[/b], and "the unnamed feeling" are both great songs.[/QUOTE]

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The Unnamed Feeling is good though.

compare megadeth vs. metallica from a metallica fans perspective

*please*

Isnt Metallica comin out with a new CD with the songs from St. Anger that they threw away or something?

I HOPE you're joking.

Putting out a CD of St. Anger rejects...wow...

Hey, that's what I heard.

Did they not get bad enough reviews with St. Anger? What the hell are they doing?

I'd say they were on drugs, but we can only hope...with drugs would come some good tunes.

I don't know, maybe it was the better stuff that they came up with, but decided not to put it on the album...

Yes, that makes a lot of sense .. putting your worst efforts onto your first album in like 5 years.

well, maybe they were only rejects because lars didn't want them, in which case they may actually be good

and schweinhunt, i was in no way defending st anger as being a classic piece of art, but your initial statements about the repetition seemed a little too generalized. but you clarified yourself well, very nice. and i'm assuming that your comment about c0cksucking-imbecile metallica fans were directed at the ones that would be considered "lapdogs" (i hope you don't mind me using your term paranoidd); the ones that like anything just because it has the name "metallica" on it.

[QUOTE=ForTheMusic22]and schweinhunt, i was in no way defending st anger as being a classic piece of art, but your initial statements about the repetition seemed a little too generalized. but you clarified yourself well, very nice. and i'm assuming that your comment about c0cksucking-imbecile metallica fans were directed at the ones that would be considered "lapdogs" (i hope you don't mind me using your term paranoidd); the ones that like anything just because it has the name "metallica" on it.[/QUOTE]

I think that almost anyone would like material done more if their favorite band did it.

[QUOTE=ForTheMusic22]"lapdogs" (i hope you don't mind me using your term paranoidd)[/QUOTE]

You'll be hearing from my lawyers.

[QUOTE=Squirrel_h4x]Yes, that makes a lot of sense .. putting your worst efforts onto your first album in like 5 years.[/QUOTE]

Wasn't it 8 years?

I said like ie: about.

Read.

sorry, man. Geez.

metallica is the greatest there ever was and the best there ever will be

No way. The Osmonds > Metallica.

Have you ever heard Donny Osmond's downpicking? It's amazing.

[QUOTE=Chu]I want that dream too :upset:[/QUOTE]

i want that dream three :upset:

[QUOTE=ForTheMusic22]well, maybe they were only rejects because lars didn't want them, in which case they may actually be good[/QUOTE]

When i watched the movie they had a few songs they played for the label manager or whoever he was that didnt make it. They were kinda cool

One was called Temptation and it had this really dark sound to it

[QUOTE=ForTheMusic22]well, maybe they were only rejects because lars didn't want them, in which case they may actually be good[/QUOTE]
good point :thumb:
ive heard that kirk came up with a kickass solo but lars rejected it cause he though it was too "outdated". who the hell does he think he is?!?!?!? lars should be more concerned with making his drum set sound less like a trash can than with a guitaring part

I used to be really into metallica but I just don't like them to much anymore but my musical taste changes a lot and i get a lot of **** for not liking metallica but o well I think they are talented musicains but i just don't care for there type of music but for some reason I get reminded of them everytime i listen to Pantera or Avenged Sevenfold and i like both of them so i really don't know

Ok
 

Im going to have to disagree

[QUOTE=SJS1323]Im going to have to disagree[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=guitarfrog]good point :thumb:
ive heard that kirk came up with a kickass solo but lars rejected it cause he though it was too "outdated". who the hell does he think he is?!?!?!? lars should be more concerned with making his drum set sound less like a trash can than with a guitaring part[/QUOTE]

Why couldn't lars die instead of cliff?

on the bus before cliff died, they were playing cards. whoever won got to choose which bed they wanted. Cliff won, and chose Kirk's bed. Later that day/night, cliff died.

imagine what could have been?

source: Metallica: Lost Souls DVD

[QUOTE=Perverted Pixie Nudist Colony]on the bus before cliff died, they were playing cards. whoever won got to choose which bed they wanted. Cliff won, and chose Kirk's bed. Later that day/night, cliff died.

imagine what could have been?

source: Metallica: Lost Souls DVD[/QUOTE]

your source is unofficial which means basically half is lies.

[QUOTE=turkeyjerky]I used to be really into metallica but I just don't like them to much anymore but my musical taste changes a lot and i get a lot of **** for not liking metallica but o well I think they are talented musicains but i just don't care for there type of music but for some reason I get reminded of them everytime i listen to Pantera or Avenged Sevenfold and i like both of them so i really don't know[/QUOTE]

Avenged Seven fold reminds you of Metallica because they are influenced by metallica.

[QUOTE]your source is unofficial which means basically half is lies.[/QUOTE]


i have seen metallica saying that....its true.

I think that better cliff die than kirk...

[QUOTE=JH LU KH RT]i have seen metallica saying that....its true.

I think that better cliff die than kirk...[/QUOTE]

Wow.... Just wow.

Kirk hasnt really been much of an innovator, many people shred, he would have been easy to replace.

But Cliff has influenced many bassists, and who knows what he could have done on the bass in the future?

I like Newsted more than Cliff. The misery bass line is better than anything Cliff ever did.

I love Metallica's old stuff and some new, The Black Album was great, Ride the Lightning is my favorite,I respect the members of the band, but Kirk's solo's can get repetitive and annoying, I used to be a huge Metallica head, but not so much anymore, nothing is really challenging, and it seems like they're getting worse with each new album. Metallica just isn't cool anymore.

[QUOTE=CreepingBlack]I like Newsted more than Cliff. The misery bass line is better than anything Cliff ever did.[/QUOTE]


Anesthesia dude? come on that was awsome you have to admitt. What else did Newstead do that was so great? He was a good player don't get me wrong but I don't think he didn't innovate as well as Cliff. He lives on in so many ways.

i think it's kinda sick to say that it's better if one guy died more than another. it's a tragedy that Cliff died, but i think Jason was a pretty good replacement. and though it's true that Kirk isn't responsible for anything that can be considered landbreaking, i think he melded well with the band. relative to most other rock stars, Kirk isn't arrogant, which if he was, throwing that in with Lars and James could have been disastrous. he knew his role and did what he was told. some could say that's spineless, but you need people like that sometimes. it's like basketball, if all five players on the court want to be the star, then you're not nearly as effective (or successful) than a team that has players that will make a pass, or set a screen, instead of demanding the ball all the time.