I think The Patient is a dark song, too. At the beginning, it's a very bleak guitar line and the vocal line is pretty haunting. It all builds up to a massive dynamic change, which makes the song pretty heavy. It sort of has a sinister feel to it.

Not to mention Disposition/Reflection/Triad. *shudders*

[QUOTE=letmypeopleho]The major chord change in The Patient does it for me.[/QUOTE]

Because I'm not a guitarist or bassist, that doesn't mean much to me. The guitars get heavier in some parts and lighter in others, that's all I notice. Maynard created a much more darker setting with lyrics saying he might walk away from his beliefs (the speaker atleast). Plus, my ear for the drums didn't catch a single light part.

[QUOTE=Kage]I think The Patient is a dark song, too. At the beginning, it's a very bleak guitar line and the vocal line is pretty haunting. It all builds up to a massive dynamic change, which makes the song pretty heavy. It sort of has a sinister feel to it.

Not to mention Disposition/Reflection/Triad. *shudders*[/QUOTE]
Yes. Thats why I only said the major chord change.

You know, it occurs to me that you were on about scales, but I'm gald they've moved away from the major scale. I believe several songs on Lateralus (namely The Patient and the title track) are based on the D Dorian scale, which is a mode of C Maj.

I need to learn this scales stuff when I get my new guitar...

[QUOTE=Kage]You know, it occurs to me that you were on about scales, but I'm gald they've moved away from the major scale. I believe several songs on Lateralus (namely The Patient and the title track) are based on the D Dorian scale, which is a mode of C Maj.[/QUOTE]
Well, it is a mode of C Maj, but so is the A Aolian scale. Aolian is played with the same notes of Cmaj but starting on A. Aolian=Minor. This turns it to the A minor scale. D Dorian is one accidental away from being a minor scale.

I'm also glad Tool has moved farther from the major scales, yet I would like to see a bit more light shed on the new one. It could turn out to be a refreshing change from Lateralus. Combined with the "supposed" heaviness, it could turn out to be very enjoyable.

[QUOTE=letmypeopleho]Well, it is a mode of C Maj, but so is the A Aolian scale. Aolian is played with the same notes of Cmaj but starting on A. Aolian=Minor. This turns it to the A minor scale. D Dorian is one accidental away from being a minor scale.[/QUOTE]

Yes, this I knew :p. But I'm pretty sure they use the D Dorian quite often.

[QUOTE=Kage]Yes, this I knew :p. But I'm pretty sure they use the D Dorian quite often.[/QUOTE]
I think more on Aenima than on Lateralus. But thats just my ear talking.

I hope theres an update about the new album soon... I'll take anything.

[QUOTE=Darkness Of Greed]I hope theres an update about the new album soon... I'll take anything.[/QUOTE]
Same.

You guys think if the album doesn't come out for like another year they'll release something like salival?

All I want is a live DVD.

[QUOTE=Darkness Of Greed]I hope theres an update about the new album soon... I'll take anything.[/QUOTE]

the ablum is comming out in this century

[QUOTE=Darkness Of Greed]You guys think if the album doesn't come out for like another year they'll release something like salival?[/QUOTE]
It's been way too long for it to be another year. I'm just ITCHING for somthing to come out. I hope ther'll be a DVD.

[QUOTE=X3R0]the ablum is comming out in this century[/QUOTE]


maybe

[QUOTE=letmypeopleho]Well, it is a mode of C Maj, but so is the A Aolian scale. Aolian is played with the same notes of Cmaj but starting on A. Aolian=Minor. This turns it to the A minor scale. D Dorian is one accidental away from being a minor scale.

I'm also glad Tool has moved farther from the major scales, yet I would like to see a bit more light shed on the new one. It could turn out to be a refreshing change from Lateralus. Combined with the "supposed" heaviness, it could turn out to be very enjoyable.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I would kinda like the next Tool album to be less "dark". Somewhat like Third Eye, because to me, that song is heavy (in its own little way) and it's not very dark.
IMO

Wow that song is really dark IMO.

[QUOTE=magicaltroll834]Yeah, I would kinda like the next Tool album to be less "dark". Somewhat like Third Eye, because to me, that song is heavy (in its own little way) and it's not very dark.
IMO[/QUOTE]
A couple days ago I said thats the song I'd like them to move towards. Some of the heaviest and softest parts in all of Tool are in that song. I don't think it's as dark as abstract.

[QUOTE=magicaltroll834]Yeah, I would kinda like the next Tool album to be less "dark". Somewhat like Third Eye, because to me, that song is heavy (in its own little way) and it's not very dark.
IMO[/QUOTE]

Are you kidding me?? That's one of Tool's darkest songs, if not the darkest.

^ thank you kage

[QUOTE=Kage]Are you kidding me?? That's one of Tool's darkest songs, if not the darkest.[/QUOTE]
Well, I do think it is one of their darkest, softest, most abstract, angriest, loudest, saddest, funniest, anythingest, songs.

It has a collage of things, though the more memorable moments are very dark.

My perception of dark is what atmosphere is created. If the atmosphere is dark, well, then it's dark. Dark and heaviness do not go hand in hand, but they can go along together very well. All the whispering and the dissonant guitar parts in Third Eye, as well as the general [i]feel[/i] of the song make it a dark masterpiece in my opinion.

I'm listening to it and it is definately the darkest song by Tool.

I don't know what song creates a darker atmosphere by them.

[QUOTE=madeyadams]Quoted for tr00f.

A close second is Triad, I think.[/QUOTE]

I personally think Reflection is darker than Triad...

But Third Eye takes the cake.

[QUOTE=The JoZ]I personally think Reflection is darker than Triad...

But Third Eye takes the cake.[/QUOTE]

Agreed.

The great thing about it, though, is that it's a very dark song, but not overly so, and it isn't a burden to listen to. It's dark through the whole thing, yet it's not melodramatic and stays varied and interesting. How they did that with a 13 minute song, mixing so many different mood shifts and the building/release of tension is incredible.

Triad has a very tribal feel to it, not so much dark to me.


[QUOTE]How they did that with a 13 minute song, mixing so many different mood shifts and the building/release of tension is incredible.[/QUOTE]

The main reason I like Tool.

[QUOTE=Kage]Agreed.

The great thing about it, though, is that it's a very dark song, but not overly so, and it isn't a burden to listen to. It's dark through the whole thing, yet it's not melodramatic and stays varied and interesting. How they did that with a 13 minute song, mixing so many different mood shifts and the building/release of tension is incredible.[/QUOTE]

123.

I would love to see more work like Third Eye.

[QUOTE=The JoZ]F[color=white]u[/color]ck you, I'm in alot of pain here :angry:

I can't drive, or do anything really :upset:[/QUOTE]

This is changing the subject, but I just saw this and wanted to make sure you knew I was kidding? Right?

[QUOTE=Kage]This is changing the subject, but I just saw this and wanted to make sure you knew I was kidding? Right?[/QUOTE]

I knew it :p

But I still wanted to make sure you knew I really was in pain :upset:

I'm gonna put Aenima on and go to sleep so I'll catch you cats on the flipside lata.