Let's argue about it.








No, wait. Let's not.

[QUOTE=Josiah;13688838]Hahaha you'd have to be nuts to think there will ever be a Draft in the United States ever again.[/QUOTE]

what about when china invades? :smash:

China?


Hahaha whywould they do that? They make billions, if not trillions a year off the United States. Not to mention numerous other factors.

Ford Motor Company just signed a 1.5 billion dollar tool and die contract with China.


China is not intersted in war, they are smart, they are interested in gaining economic power, and they are very quickly climbing the ladder to the top.

Also China is our ally, they have repeatedly stated they would stomp the life out of N. korea if N. Korea tried anything agains the US.

[img]http://s02.picshome.com/649/strummer.jpg[/img]

J'adore Joe

but theyre all for north korea wiping out south korea...

btw I wasnt being serious

edit: to jos

my pants broke :(.

China is run by thugs.........their evil empire must be toppled.

just like what happened to the soviet union amirite

and look how well they're doing! :-P

china will be coming around sooner or later; economic & social reform = more and better business for china

especially when other asian countries like india and vietnam start posing a globalized commercial threat to it (india already is!)

if one more indian call center worker rings me at work im going go insane

[QUOTE=Atman;13689045]just like what happened to the soviet union amirite

and look how well they're doing! :-P

china will be coming around sooner or later; economic & social reform = more and better business for china

especially when other asian countries like india and vietnam start posing a globalized commercial threat to it (india already is!)[/QUOTE]

So if Im understanding you right, Tibetan monks will become terrorists like the Chechnyan rebels?

I mean.
Who just signs off?!
Not even a bye.
Just a...
Is no longer online.

WTF.
Where did you go.

he is just lurking...

did you download overpowered by funk?

[QUOTE=Electric Requiem;13689092]So if Im understanding you right, Tibetan monks will become terrorists like the Chechnyan rebels?[/QUOTE]

yes

damn those guys know their martial arts

[QUOTE=White Riot!;13689053]if one more indian call center worker rings me at work im going go insane[/QUOTE]

hehe welcome to globalization; technology makes it so that it isn't just a one way road anymore for america =)

no its welcome to stupidity...... technology makes common sense further away and Greed closer.

The reason these indians are getting hired is to save some cash....not because they do a better job at it

I did.
Haven't listened to it all yet though, at my grandmas for the holidays.

And I wasn't talking about him.
I was talking about her.
Sureley that's against the law just to sign off like that.
Ergh!

What the f[B]u[/B]ck are quid?

slang for pounds......like saying bucks for dollars...

Oh.

That's what I thought.

[url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=5QTuTDjzVws[/url]

Hmmm?

[quote=White Riot!;13689153]no its welcome to stupidity...... technology makes common sense further away and Greed closer.

The reason these indians are getting hired is to save some cash....not because they do a better job at it[/quote]


haha yup. All about the dollar.

Oh Jesus H. Christ. =/



The only ****ing reason I watch TV is because of the women.


And I've wasted over 100 gigs of space on my hard drive because of those women. Now, I'm going to lose another 50 gigs because I have to download Star Trek TNG because I just realized how ****ing HOT Michelle Forbes voice is.


=/

I'll save At Home With The Braithwaites for later.

I think you need to a trip to the gay bar...

HAha her 21st I'm sure she will.... though 18 gets you into full nude strip clubs.

[QUOTE=White Riot!;13689153]The reason these indians are getting hired is to save some cash....not because they do a better job at it[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=White Riot!;13689153]haha yup. All about the dollar.[/quote]

and what happens when the vietnamese can do it for cheaper and is then outsourced from india to vietnam?

the indians will be forced to become better at what they do and also specialize, just like the americans have been doing

it isn't about the lowest prices, it's about the quality of the services provided

i suggest you and josiah check out thomas l. friendman's [I]the world is flat: a brief history of the 21st century[/I]

because it seems you're both in for a rude surprise :-(

[QUOTE=Atman;13689361]

it isn't about the lowest prices, it's about the quality of the services provided

[/QUOTE]

no , it is obviously not. When I talk to someone I want someone who knows my native land and has knowledge about my native land. Some dude in bombay or ho chi minh is very unconvincing to be trying to sell me a cheaper phone deal since he isnt on ground level to see the local competition. Don't even start about him even being able to comprehend my actual concerns , wants and needs as a customer

even the technology in place doesnt even match what I expect. Do a poll. Most people hate the indian call centers. The only people who like em are the corporations and the corporate types.

Life is not an economic circle of You make , You buy , You Die. Im a human for christsakes

people before economics

[quote=Atman;13689361]
it isn't about the lowest prices, it's about the quality of the services provided
[/quote]


Hmmm....

So the indians provide a higher quality customer service then the americans did?


That musta been it... had nothing to do with the fact the indians work for $2/day and the americans worked for $160/day. Right.

"[B]Historically, outsourcing has been seen as a way to reduce costs [/B]by getting others in cheaper locations, or with greater economies of scale, to own the processes that are not core to the business. Companies are encountering problems because they don't approach this strategically." - Alexa Bona, Research Director at Gartner, Inc. (UK Int Conference on Cust. Service, 2005)


Gartner serves more than 10,000 clients, including chief information officers and other senior IT executives in corporations and government agencies, as well as technology companies and the investment community. The Company focuses on delivering objective, in-depth analysis and actionable advice to enable clients to make more informed business and technology decisions.

Creative Labs has American support lines.


I was surprised.







And I'm f[B]u[/B]cking wired. It's almost 3am and I can't fathom going to sleep.

[QUOTE=White Riot!;13689382]no , it is obviously not. When I talk to someone I want someone who knows my native land and has knowledge about my native land. Some dude in bombay or ho chi minh is very unconvincing to be trying to sell me a cheaper phone deal since he isnt on ground level to see the local competition. Don't even start about him even being able to comprehend my actual concerns , wants and needs as a customer

even the technology in place doesnt even match what I expect. Do a poll. Most people hate the indian call centers. The only people who like em are the corporations and the corporate types.

people before economics[/QUOTE]

oh but most people love cheaper prices a lot more than they hate call centers; and believe it or not, call centers are improving rapidly (and even desperately) to maintain a competitive edge in a global market

call centers aren't just the only sort of outsourcing either i'm afraid

most x-ray scans in america are done in india
animation for disney cartoons are done in india
reuters and associated press news feeds are sorted outside of america
IRS taxes are handled mostly by outsourced accountants
the work done for automotive and aerospace design for a single american or european company is often distributed to russian, indian, chinese, and japanese engineering/design firms

and when vietnam or some other country steps up to the plate with even lower prices, the grunt work will move there and the indians will be forced to specialize even more

in a modern global market, there is no such thing job security for anything that can ; the only way to prevent that from happening is to specialize and remain competitive

and if you want to talk about people before economics, i'd love to hear your justification for the exploitation (and the lack of transparency) of cheap foreign labour by american and european before information technology began to equalize global commerce?

americans can't have it just one way anymore :-(

[QUOTE=White Riot!;13689382]Life is not an economic circle of You make , You buy , You Die. Im a human for christsakes[/quote]

who says anything about that?

[QUOTE=Josiah;13689386]Hmmm....

So the indians provide a higher quality customer service then the americans did?[/QUOTE]

no they don't but they offer a service for a far lower price at an acceptable quality sacrifice

and it isn't as if that sacrifice is a permanent and immutable cutback; any call center that becomes lax in improvements can be easily replaced

:-)

[QUOTE=Josiah;13689421]"[B]Historically, outsourcing has been seen as a way to reduce costs [/B]by getting others in cheaper locations, or with greater economies of scale, to own the processes that are not core to the business. Companies are encountering problems because they don't approach this strategically." - Alexa Bona, Research Director at Gartner, Inc. (UK Int Conference on Cust. Service, 2005)[/QUOTE]

that's a vast simplification on a very complex subject

why is it that call centers aren't built in kenya or burma?

I can't sleep either Pespi.
Damn girls.