Cool man, I'll check one out.

Also,

[IMG]http://imgur.com/pm2nW.jpg[/IMG]

lmao, that's ace.


I'm watching the fifth element, while cooking dinner.

[QUOTE=AG;18008871]lmao, that's ace.


I'm watching the fifth element, while cooking dinner.[/QUOTE]

what are you making, a roast? bolognese? it's quarter to two!

Chilli.

It's gonna be delicious. Cannot stand mince that hasn't been cooked for 4+ hours.

you just get weirder and weirder

[IMG]http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l3cjyfI6YP1qzoyito1_500.jpg[/IMG]

haha

go to sleep josh, its 2:38am

[QUOTE=Squirrel;18008995]you just get weirder and weirder[/QUOTE]

It's weird to cook good food?

mmk

What are the black specs floating will the roll? Is this crucial?

I'ma do this

[QUOTE=AG;18009260]It's weird to cook good food?

mmk[/QUOTE]

i read this as "its weird to cook gook food?"

well that was weird, why did i sign on to my alternate account rather than my main

[QUOTE=Joelbassman;18004902]The best way to deal with highhat bleed is to sample replace the snare with a sample you took from the kit or from a decent sample library.[/QUOTE]

This is good, and so is sending the drummer a mix with the hats really hot during tracking, although it's a bit late for that. I spend a lot of time on the snare mic'ing so that I get as much hat rejection as possible too.

I only listened to Kinder Man since I'm on a laptop, but my first impressions are pretty similar to Joels'. Some automated verb would really put a gloss on the vocal. As far as the comparison to 3stm, I think your recording came out more "timeless" than theirs even tho they might have a more "modern" or processed sound. Probably because they've compressed the bejeezus out of it so it's louder than the last song on the radio, but that's a rant for another time...

It's organic and earthy sounding (on these awful speakers) and I think you should run with what you've got if you don't mind it. The snare feels like it could use more body, and the bass might be a bit thin, but I'll wait till I can hear it on full size speakers before I recommend anything. These speakers are smaller than my thumb print :lol: Guitars are perfect, don't touch em! Good job!

[QUOTE=AG;18009260]It's weird to cook good food?

mmk[/QUOTE]

Not what I meant.

Wow thanks dude, Kinder Man definitely came out the best, but I spent the most time on it. Also I didn't want to compress the song while "mastering", but I should of limited it a bit because the peaks aren't even at 0

I cut a lot of the lows on the snare just because the way I mic'd the top, it's not the best sounding snare either and the resonance was pretty ugly

We're not the loudest in this competition but our home recordings sound better than most on there

-1 for cheap studios

[QUOTE=viciouscycle;18009676]Also I didn't want to compress the song while "mastering", but I should of limited it a bit because the peaks aren't even at 0[/QUOTE]

Pull up your mix and play with it. I really like the sound of a mellow compressor on the stereo buss... It glues everything together in a way I can't live without anymore. It's hard to put your finger on what it's doing, but as soon as you take it off you sure miss it. Limiting is where you can really fudge up a mix, but since you're approaching it with caution, I bet you'll get something good. Since you've already got mixes you plan on using, it's a great time to play around and see what you can get. No pressure, and no reason to stick with what you've found. :lol:

[QUOTE=viciouscycle;18009676]
I cut a lot of the lows on the snare just because the way I mic'd the top, it's not the best sounding snare either and the resonance was pretty ugly[/QUOTE]

Yuck... I feel your pain. So the lows just weren't usable, or you were trying to get more cut out of it? I've had a lot of luck running a guitar processor on the snare (on a separate track) with a touch of gain, and some boosted lows. Sounds like **** on it's own, but in the mix it's a beautiful thing. Saved my *** on a ringy piccolo snare I just recorded... You "hear" the more natural snare track, but the other track adds a bit of steroids.

[QUOTE=viciouscycle;18009676]
We're not the loudest in this competition but our home recordings sound better than most on there[/QUOTE]

One of the funniest things to me is how people use these multi million dollar studios, and take ages to make records just so some kids can listen to it on (and decide to buy it based on) a smashed mp3, myspace, or worst of all the radio. If you write great music and play it passionately, not even an mbox can stand in your way. It's not like the other goodies can't help, but it accounts for maybe 10% of the "awesome" :p

Totally. 90% of a good record is the songwriter/band/players 5% is the instruments they play on 2.5% is the recording gear and 2.5% is the mixing/tracking/mastering engineer.

It's a farce that good engineers make good music. Good musicians make good music, they just usually (usually) don't know how to craft it in the mix stage, which is where audio engineers come in....hopefully.

That's quite true, there's alot of older records that don't sounds like diamonds but the playing and attitude on these cds are enough to enjoy them alot more than some modern polished turd

You guys wanna explain automated reverb? I'll look it up too

JC: Yea I've realized that some tracks sound like *** on their own, but certain things in a mix play their parts. My other guitarist was playing through one of my amp vst's and he asked for bass and gain and what not, I'm like no.

By stereo bus you mean the master?

By stereo bus yes he means master.

It's just like if you set up your reverb on auxillary returns like you're supposed to, you can send for example of a vocal and mute it for the whole track and automate it to unmute in certain parts.

Without knowing your DAW I couldn't tell you exactly how to do it.

Reaper

[QUOTE=Joelbassman;18009798]Totally. 90% of a good record is the songwriter/band/players 5% is the instruments they play on 2.5% is the recording gear and 2.5% is the mixing/tracking/mastering engineer.

It's a farce that good engineers make good music. Good musicians make good music, they just usually (usually) don't know how to craft it in the mix stage, which is where audio engineers come in....hopefully.[/QUOTE]

I'd say it's 80% band, 15% engineer and 5% gear

a bad sound engineer can make anything sound awful

a good one canmake anything sound good

[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epTzUIeCCUw&feature=player_embedded[/URL]

that's not funny that's sickening, and I don't mean the sexual act.

[QUOTE=Bruce E Kinesis;18010517]a bad sound engineer can make anything sound awful

a good one canmake anything sound good[/QUOTE]

I respectfully disagree... You've got artists like Sufjan Stevens recording whole albums with nothing but sm57's, and committing all manner of mic placement "no-no's" and it sounds amazing just because of the arrangements, and not even Bob Rock and rooms full of the highest dollar gear could save "St. Anger" from itself, even tho both parties involved have had ample experience working on well respected music.

You can only polish a turd so much, and yet good music is almost impossible to hold back.

St. Anger is legendarily good

[QUOTE=JCBitB;18011001]I respectfully disagree... You've got artists like Sufjan Stevens recording whole albums with nothing but sm57's, and committing all manner of mic placement "no-no's" and it sounds amazing just because of the arrangements, and not even Bob Rock and rooms full of the highest dollar gear could save "St. Anger" from itself, even tho both parties involved have had ample experience working on well respected music.

You can only polish a turd so much, and yet good music is almost impossible to hold back.[/QUOTE]

"sufjan stevens is not a terrible recording engineer" would be what I would take from this parable

It's possible to be a good musician good at recording.


Also I hate bob rock and his production style, I hate it lots.

[QUOTE=Bruce E Kinesis;18011025]"sufjan stevens is not a terrible recording engineer" would be what I would take from this parable
[/QUOTE]

Then you skimmed too fast. He breaks about every rule in the book, to a point where you expect the quality of the music to suffer. Not just taste specific things like mic choices and mic placement, but stuff like setting his interface to a lower bit rate than he should have because he just didn't know better and other basic errors. It's a wonder he even pointed the mics in the right direction...

I'm not sure I'd say his recordings sound [i]good[/i], but the music he makes is great and inspiring. You just can't keep a good song down.

[QUOTE=Bruce E Kinesis;18011025]
Also I hate bob rock and his production style, I hate it lots.[/QUOTE]

Well me too, but the guy's had a lot of practice making memorable sounds. I'd take Kurt Ballou or Matt Bayles any day personally, but Bob Rock is famous because there are a lot of folks who like what he does. The point I'm making is that the album sucked because the songs sucked, not even a previously winning combination could save it from itself.

[QUOTE=viciouscycle;18010468]Reaper[/QUOTE]

Three part video tutorial:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2IrKkQROas[/url]

Another tutorial:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLjdKOs-vRs[/url]

Enjoy! Also, if you load "reacomp" on the stereo bus, there's a gentle preset called NY Bus Glue or something like that, and it's a great place to start working with compressing entire mixes.

I use envelopes all the time, and now they have a separate fader compared to this video

I learned to write an automation for a wah pedal in guitar rig a couple months back

"Crossover" [url]www.soundcloud.com/viciouscycle[/url]

[quote=Bruce E Kinesis;18011025]"sufjan stevens is a terribly good musician" would be what I would take from this parable[/quote]
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Haha seriously though? Sufjan steven's albums sound amazing. I mean as I said, I'm all for believing the songs matter the most, but those albums have to much air and sound so real it's hard to believe that were done with 57's and the like.



The thing is, I reckon (and I'm kinda quoting slipperman here) that there are no recording engineers that can make it as a musician.

But there a few very good musicians who aren't dumb ****s and can not **** up a mix too, i.e. Bulb. These people are few and far between however.

Going with the Bulb example, there aren't many other people on this forum alone that can play like him and mix/record like he can now after years of bedroom practice. But again, half the reason the Periphery stuff is so slick is because those dudes can play, so they don't spend half their time beat detectiving and auto tuning (although there are some blatant tunings in the Periphery album) and spend most of their time making it sound right before it even hits the DAW.

perpihery mixes are pretty terrible. too loud, too compressed, bass is nowhere to be found due to the fact that it just doubles what the guitar is doing.

lol yea the bassist is the one man out in that band