At first I just skimmed through the review, but in order to "get what he was saying" I actually read through the whole thing and realized how wrong I was. He wasn't angry and he definitly was level headed. He's simply a idiot. As you can tell by his excessive use of expletives and immature fake swear words (monkey****?), he's a troll. His points dont make any coherent sense, as he goes from reviewing the album to flaming Metallica to no end, while constantly praising every other band that was never as good as Metallica to the excessive peak of fanboyism. If you really want to back him up, please do and explain how this was in anyway a good review.

URL to his site if wanted:
[url]http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=547#147[/url]

i think thats just stupid MOP was not a great album but hell it wasnt the worst that was retarted reign in blood suked even for its genre megadeth and metallica arent that great at all as for the metallica vs megadeth bull**** metallicas more succesful and u can bitch all u want but its not gunna help megadeth any dont get me wrong i think they're both okay but... yea

[QUOTE=Otherside]At first I just skimmed through the review, but in order to "get what he was saying" I actually read through the whole thing and realized how wrong I was. He wasn't angry and he definitly was level headed. He's simply a idiot. As you can tell by his excessive use of expletives and immature fake swear words (monkey****?), he's a troll. His points dont make any coherent sense, as he goes from reviewing the album to flaming Metallica to no end, while constantly praising every other band that was never as good as Metallica to the excessive peak of fanboyism. If you really want to back him up, please do and explain how this was in anyway a good review.

URL to his site if wanted:
[url]http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=547#147[/url][/QUOTE]

I didn't know you could link to specific pages on that site. How?

Anyway, I've not said I do want to back him up. I like the review because it got me interested in reading it, and I wanted to see the reactions of Metallica fans to it. Mainly to see if anyone saw what his point was.

I can see his point, but why not do the black album, its is the epitome of wimp metal in his terms.

I guess because Master of Puppets came before it, and yet was already moving away from the thrash metal of Kill 'Em All and Ride the Lightning.

[QUOTE=Heavy0metal0freak] reign in blood suked even for its genre megadeth and metallica arent that great at all as for the metallica vs megadeth bull**** metallicas more succesful and u can bitch all u want but its not gunna help megadeth any dont get me wrong i think they're both okay but... yea[/QUOTE]

a) Reign in Blood = best thrash album ever.
b) Being successful doesn't mean shyt. Britney Spears is successful too.
c) Stop breathing, please.

[QUOTE=Heavy0metal0freak]i think thats just stupid MOP was not a great album but hell it wasnt the worst that was retarted reign in blood suked even for its genre megadeth and metallica arent that great at all as for the metallica vs megadeth bull**** metallicas more succesful and u can bitch all u want but its not gunna help megadeth any dont get me wrong i think they're both okay but... yea[/QUOTE]

yeah, that is a terrible post. Saying the best thrash album ever sucked for its genre is exactly like saying the beatles are a bad rock band. And use correct sentence formation too. You can't come onto this website and say thoughtless, mindless crap like that and expect not to get flamed.

[QUOTE=Bartender]I guess because Master of Puppets came before it, and yet was already moving away from the thrash metal of Kill 'Em All and Ride the Lightning.[/QUOTE]

MOP was just as heavy as RIDE.

Rating of Heaviness

Track 1.
Fight Fire with fire =8.3
Battery =7.9

Track 2.
Ride the Lightning =7.0
Master of Puppets =7.3

Track 3.
FHTB Tolls =6.6
TTTS not be =7.1

Track 4.
Fade to Black =5.0
Sanitarium =5.0

Track 5.
Trapped under Ice =7.7
Disposable Heros =8.1

Track 6.
Escape =5.9
Lepper Messiah =6.1

Track 7.
Creeping Death =7.5
Orion =6.4

Track 8.
Call of Ktulu =6.3
Damage INC. =8.2


RIDE= 54.3
MOP= 56.1

They're agueable about the same in heaviness. So WTF?

[QUOTE] MOP was just as heavy as RIDE.

Rating of Heaviness

Track 1.
Fight Fire with fire =8.3
Battery =7.9

Track 2.
Ride the Lightning =7.0
Master of Puppets =7.3

Track 3.
FHTB Tolls =6.6
TTTS not be =7.1

Track 4.
Fade to Black =5.0
Sanitarium =5.0

Track 5.
Trapped under Ice =7.7
Disposable Heros =8.1

Track 6.
Escape =5.9
Lepper Messiah =6.1

Track 7.
Creeping Death =7.5
Orion =6.4

Track 8.
Call of Ktulu =6.3
Damage INC. =8.2


RIDE= 54.3
MOP= 56.1

They're agueable about the same in heaviness. So WTF? [QUOTE]

very good comparison review

He didn't attack the Black Album because most Metallica fans will admitt that it has its flaws. But about 95% of the time no one; not even people who hate the band will say anything bad about MOP. I see his point but... did he really have to say it like that? It seems kind of pointless to say so much when so few will even care much less agree with you. He could have simply said: MoP= over rated, did not do as much for metal as the general population thinks it did. He could have been objective about it but OOOOOO no, when you talk about a band that negatively no one is going want to hear your opinion.

Maybe some valid points were brought up but because of his approach to the topic (excessive swearing, flaming of metallica and other bands, mentioning bands that most people havn't heard of or care about and last but not least making no sense what so ever throughout the majority of the review) make him sound immature and bitter. So all those potentially valid points go down the sewer right along with his B.S. reasonings for giving MoP a 0. Like come on a 0?

[QUOTE=CreepingBlack]MOP was just as heavy as RIDE.

Rating of Heaviness

Track 1.
Fight Fire with fire =8.3
Battery =7.9

Track 2.
Ride the Lightning =7.0
Master of Puppets =7.3

Track 3.
FHTB Tolls =6.6
TTTS not be =7.1

Track 4.
Fade to Black =5.0
Sanitarium =5.0

Track 5.
Trapped under Ice =7.7
Disposable Heros =8.1

Track 6.
Escape =5.9
Lepper Messiah =6.1

Track 7.
Creeping Death =7.5
Orion =6.4

Track 8.
Call of Ktulu =6.3
Damage INC. =8.2


RIDE= 54.3
MOP= 56.1

They're agueable about the same in heaviness. So WTF?[/QUOTE]

Yes lets make up facts from opinions... :rolleyes:

"omg dis song rawks dis hard!!11"
"no u r st00pid"

[QUOTE]a) Reign in Blood = best thrash album ever.
[/QUOTE]

If the idea of thrash is to play fast but emotionless music then yes

[QUOTE=Zmev]If the idea of thrash is to play fast but emotionless music then yes[/QUOTE]

That's the idea.

RIB has just as much, if not more "emotion" than MOP. Just because Cliff put some melody into the album, it doesn't mean more emotion.

[QUOTE]RIB has just as much, if not more "emotion" than MOP[/QUOTE]

Dude are you joking me?

Ive listened to both of the albums whole and from what i can say, MoP has much more emotion than RiB. I mean the slayer album sounded like nonstop loud fast guitar and the singer singing things i couldnt hear, not bery emotional. Now on MoP you had Sanitarium,very full of emotion in itself

More emotion in Disposable Heroes than ALL of RIB.

I WAS BORN FOR DYING!!!

The 15 seconds BEFORE that and the 15 seconds AFTER have more emotion than RIB.

[QUOTE=Zmev]Dude are you joking me?

Ive listened to both of the albums whole and from what i can say, MoP has much more emotion than RiB. I mean the slayer album sounded like nonstop loud fast guitar and the singer singing things i couldnt hear, not bery emotional. Now on MoP you had Sanitarium,very full of emotion in itself[/QUOTE]

Non-stop loud fast guitar....in other words, it was thrash metal.

The singer was singing things you couldn't hear...the CD comes with a booklet with all the lyrics inside.

IMHO, Sanitarium is the single worst track on MOP. Everybody talks shyt on the thing that should not be, well I'd rather hear that evil riff 50 times before I had to endure Sanitarium once.

The problem is, you all associate MELODY with emotion. Just because Metallica used alot of happy melodies has nothing to do with emotion. Tom Araya conveys more anger to me with vocals on any given track in RIB then Metallicas whole catalogue. Jeff or Kerry's riffs or solos are anger in sonic form. Anger is an emotion too. Most of Slayers emotion simply derives from anger, while Metallica is a little more broad and happier.

Something can be very emotional without being melodic. Tom's scream on Angel of Death pretty much sets the tone for the album, pure balls. (and yes I am aware of the irony that I said pure balls when his scream is rather high-pitch. kthxbye).

And please, let me save you the "but paranoid, Kerry sux LOL!1!!" posts right now. I don't care how many variable speed, string bending pentatonic solos hammet does, he still doesn't have shyt on Kerry, and especially not on Jeff in the composing/playing side. I'd rather listen to Kerry shred for 15 seconds than suffer through Hammet's often droning "emotional solos". When Kerry shreds, I feel the anger. 80% of Hammets stuff on this album makes me feel nothing. The only emotion from the music is James & Cliff. James' singing and James' riffs > Hammets solos any day of the week. And, lets face it, without Cliff this album wouldn't have existed.

There are only three good things about MOP

a) James' writing and singing (for the most part)
b) Cliff.
c) Cliff.

Actually, honorable mention to Lars, as this is one of the few albums, IMHO, that his playing is generally non-shytty. However, I won't even acknowledge anybody who suggests that Lars > Dave. Any argument you can present will be absolutely invalid and wrong, so lets just save the trouble.

I'm not trying to turn this into a Metallica vs Slayer post (even though I don't really have a choice at this point) because they aren't even that comparable, although they started off similar (along with Sepultura) look at the difference in the 3 bands now. Slayer just stayed hardline, straight thrash and Metallica went softer, happier, more marketable.

MOP is a great album. My favorite Metallica album, actually. I love most parts of it. It's one of the few Metallica albums I will defend in an argument, but not this one. I'd rather hear RIB any day.

[QUOTE]Because Megadeth fans hate the fact the Hetfield takes credit for stuff the Mustaine has done, and Metallica fans refuse to believe that Metallica anything less then perfect[/QUOTE]

No band is 100% perfect. I'm a huge Metallica fan and i can say that they arent perfect. Its not like Mustaine wrote a whole album and they stole it, they have used songs that Dave [B][U]helped [/U][/B] write and have also credited him with that. You know that part where it says "music written by" Dave's name is write there with the others on the songs he helped write.

[QUOTE]hey all, ive official listenedto what seems to be a new metallica song (my friend has it) its called 'Chains of pain' and it sounds like a new metallica (heavier and with solos) [/QUOTE]

No, No, No...its not Metallica at all. When i first started trying to download St. Anger there was a song that said "Metallica-St. Anger" when in reality it was a song called The Wanderer by a kick *** band called Manditory...and im pretty sure it the same band with the chains of pain

Well IMO Metallica's the best!

Hetfield didn't steal Mustaine's riffs... It still says Dave Mustaine in the composer part. There's a dude up there who says Slayer has more emotion than Metallica because the singer's always yelling and stuff. I don't know about everyone else but I think there's more emotion in Sanitarium than a whole album of slayer. But that's just my opinion.

That dude also said Dave Lombardo's a better drummer than Lars. It doesn't matter how fast you can play, how many fancy fills you can do, whether you can do a backflip or not(ok so not many people can do that), the only thing that matters is if you can play to the music... You see Dave could probably play all the Metallica songs but it just wouldn't be the same... it wouldn't sound as good as Lars playing it. Now Lars could probably play some Slayer stuff but it wouldn't sound anywhere near as good. You can't beat the original!

Also there's a big argument about Megadeth and Metallica. Lol personally I think it's dumb because you're not gonna convince someone who loves Megadeth that Metallica is better and vice versa. Don't get me wrong I reckon Megadeth are pretty wicked but I personally think their riffs are just lacking something. They're no where near as catchy as Metallica's and to me they just don't sound as good.

So yea peoples there's no point trying to convince others that one band's better than another because everyone has different tastes.

Oh yea and Master of Puppets rocks!

[QUOTE=the_cheesy_one]Well IMO Metallica's the best!

Hetfield didn't steal Mustaine's riffs... It still says Dave Mustaine in the composer part. There's a dude up there who says Slayer has more emotion than Metallica because the singer's always yelling and stuff. I don't know about everyone else but I think there's more emotion in Sanitarium than a whole album of slayer. But that's just my opinion.

That dude also said Dave Lombardo's a better drummer than Lars. It doesn't matter how fast you can play, how many fancy fills you can do, whether you can do a backflip or not(ok so not many people can do that), the only thing that matters is if you can play to the music... You see Dave could probably play all the Metallica songs but it just wouldn't be the same... it wouldn't sound as good as Lars playing it. Now Lars could probably play some Slayer stuff but it wouldn't sound anywhere near as good. You can't beat the original!

[/QUOTE]

Don't be an @sshole. I never said Slayer has more emotion BECAUSE they use screaming, idiot.

Also, it DOES matter how fast you play, it DOES matter how many fancy fills you can do. At least, it does when you are a thrash drummer. For example, Lars can do maybe 4 fills. Dave can do 2034982309482. Get it? Lars had to double track Dyers Eve because he couldn't play the double bass fast enough. I think Dave could have probably done it with one foot. Be happy I gave Lars credit for decency on MOP, because he generally sucks beyond belief.

Also, if "you can't beat the original", I guess Kirk Hammet nor Cliff Burton had any place being in the band, considering they weren't the first guitar/bass player Metallica had.

Please don't turn this into another debate on Lars' drumming ability :upset:

Don't worry, there is no debate. Anybody with an iota of intelligence realizes that I speak truth and fact.

[QUOTE]Be happy I gave Lars credit for decency on MOP, because he generally sucks beyond belief.[/QUOTE]

I think if you're going to give him credit do it on AJFA minus DE. I believe he can do it too, but why he couldnt then and there i dont get. If you listen to the songs St.Anger or All Within My Hands he uses the double bass just as fast as on Dyers Eve.

I should hope so. If I was the drummer in the "biggest metal band in the world" and I couldn't even play my own tracks due to lack of skill, I think I'd spend the rest of my life practicing.

Unfortunately, any double bass prowess that Lars could display on St. Anger was effectively ruined by his choice of an industrial size trash can in lieu of a snare drum.

Yeah im gonna have to go with you on that one. It doesnt bother me anymore, but it really got under my skin early on. Ok now for what im about to say i have to say this first, i know i'll probably get flamed big time for this, but im not a "n00b" or anything like that so keep you panties on. IMO minus the snare drum, St.Anger has some of Metallica's better drumming

[QUOTE=Kirk's Puppet]Metallica rocks! But I don't really see A LOT of Metallica threads.[/QUOTE]


totally right we should see more

From what I remember (I think I've only heard the album 2 or 3 times in its entirety) you're about right. I mean, Lars has never been excessively fast, and only mildly creative. A 4/4 kick kick/snare kick kick/snare combo is cool when used properly, but I can only hear it on so many tracks before I get annoyed. I've never seen them live, so I can't comment on his improvisation (if any) but I know that his fills and rolls never really caught my ear.

[QUOTE=metalliman1066]totally right we should see more[/QUOTE]

No. That is the point of this one. So we don't have the forums polluted with threads like "'Tallica RuLeZ! I love Jaymez LOL!!1!1! Whats ur favorit song?!?????"

Post all that crap here.

[QUOTE=metalliman1066]totally right we should see more[/QUOTE]

no because thats the whole point of this thread to keep all metallica talk in one place.

I'm faster :p

I also think that Lar's problem is that he's kind of lazy. He doesnt really try hard to show any skill what-so-ever. I believe he's got lots of talent and skill (he does a have an odd half-choke/off-beat technique), but doesnt ever try to show any off it.

Live hes pretty cool. he adds nice little parts into song. Most notably is For Whom the Bell Tolls...I think he first did it on the S&M version. Oh and Im talkin about the double bass in the begining of the song

[QUOTE]totally right we should see more[/QUOTE]

Are you fuc[color=white]king[/color] retarded?

[QUOTE=Paranoidd]I should hope so. If I was the drummer in the "biggest metal band in the world" and I couldn't even play my own tracks due to lack of skill, I think I'd spend the rest of my life practicing.

Unfortunately, any double bass prowess that Lars could display on St. Anger was effectively ruined by his choice of an industrial size trash can in lieu of a snare drum.[/QUOTE]

why did he use that sound for the album if he doesnt even have that sound live? Thats whats bothering me

if you notice on the remix of Some Kinda Monster it doesnt sound like that either. I think Bob Rock thought to himself "Maybe i shouldnt of set the snare up that way"

its funny, theres a picture in a magazine with Bob Rock and Lars in the studio with the caption at the bottom "see this button? I push it and it ****s up the sound of the drums"

The first time I heard St. Anger (it was the video), I think Lars got about two taps of that snare before I said (out loud): What the fvck is with that snare? It followed with more WTF questions, like WTF is James singing about, WTF are they doing in a prison, WTF am I watching this for?

Most likely you guys are right, they realized how retarded it sounded and changed it. Either way Lars is an idiot. If he set up that snare himself, he's an idiot. If Rock set it up, Lars is an idiot for not changing it. I don't think James would have stood by and let Rock tune his guitar up 3 steps.

i would have to agree that the drums sounded very bad in that song and all of St.Anger.

Yea the snare sounds dodge. Lol I read an interview with Lars in a drum mag where he said that he didn't realise he had the snares lowered and when he did he thought it sounded cool so he just left it like that.

Im going to go to the Some Kind Of Monster movie on Friday. Has anyone seen it?

[QUOTE=Zmev]Yes lets make up facts from opinions... :rolleyes:

"omg dis song rawks dis hard!!11"
"no u r st00pid"[/QUOTE]
comeone man, dont embarrass yourself. I never said they're facts. Don't you understand i was just comparing them. Either way if someone thought i was rating too high or too low, well it wouldn't matter, cause the songs would both still be rated the same. I think i was pretty accurate, and showed that MOP didn't lost any ground after RIDE

[QUOTE=Paranoidd]

Lars had to double track Dyers Eve because he couldn't play the double bass fast enough.
[/QUOTE]
no ****IN way. Are you serious. If thats true then lars sucks wienrr skillwise. Dude, im pissed off now.