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Riva 10-01-2005 09:34 AM

[QUOTE=DeusExMachina]So it's a musical concept. Interesting take, although I generally think of concept albums being concepts based on lyrical content, not musical content.[/QUOTE]

Well, think of it as an unspoken gesture towards equality. Actually, I don't know where I'm going with this... it's really early in the morning. :p

Dragon_Prince 10-01-2005 09:50 AM

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]Well, think of it as an unspoken gesture towards equality. Actually, I don't know where I'm going with this... it's really early in the morning. :p[/QUOTE]


But then almost every song would have a cocnept, cause it's all saying something 'bout music ...

Riva 10-01-2005 10:02 AM

[QUOTE=Dragon_Prince]But then almost every song would have a cocnept, cause it's all saying something 'bout music ...[/QUOTE]

Uhh... every song does have a concept.

Dragon_Prince 10-01-2005 10:05 AM

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]Uhh... every song does have a concept.[/QUOTE]

Not every ...

But I ment albums ;)

BigTrav415 10-01-2005 11:37 AM

[QUOTE=moaner]i beleive that part of the song was actually subtitled "whales in labour"[/QUOTE]
If you're referring to when I said that a page back, I was making it up :lol:

moaner 10-01-2005 12:40 PM

[QUOTE=BigTrav415]If you're referring to when I said that a page back, I was making it up :lol:[/QUOTE]

/:upset:

moaner 10-01-2005 12:44 PM

[QUOTE=DeusExMachina]So it's a musical concept. Interesting take, although I generally think of concept albums being concepts based on lyrical content, not musical content.[/QUOTE]

I would guess that that was probably the idea when they were writing it.

A musical-concept album would be something to turn heads, even if not many people took it that way.

thickasabrick 10-01-2005 12:54 PM

I like your theory Moaner. I always knew there was more to Meddle than I thought, but I couldn't quite figure it out. Definitely their one of their most subtle concept albums. Whether or not that actually is what Pink Floyd meant to accomplish doesn't matter anyway, it's an amazing album regardless.

BigTrav415 10-01-2005 01:37 PM

[QUOTE=moaner]/:upset:[/QUOTE]
Don't feel bad moaner, you know what, that's what we'll call it from now on. It comes up enough, it ought to have an ifficial name.

[QUOTE=]
tehfloydnoob102: God, I hate that whales in labour part of Echoes.

BigTrav415: Die.
[/QUOTE]
Yep, I like it :)

moaner 10-01-2005 01:43 PM

[QUOTE=thickasabrick]I like your theory Moaner. I always knew there was more to Meddle than I thought, but I couldn't quite figure it out. Definitely their one of their most subtle concept albums. Whether or not that actually is what Pink Floyd meant to accomplish doesn't matter anyway, it's an amazing album regardless.[/QUOTE]

absolutely

Broken Arrow 10-01-2005 07:24 PM

Wow, that is a good theory. How did you think this up?

Dragon_Prince 10-02-2005 03:56 AM

I don't agree, you say it's a concept album 'cause it has many styles in it ... Well morre albums have that ... Than I think a top 20 cd, is also a concept album 'cause it also has many styles on it


8-)

not ... :P

Riva 10-02-2005 04:12 AM

[QUOTE=Dragon_Prince]I don't agree, you say it's a concept album 'cause it has many styles in it ... Well morre albums have that ... Than I think a top 20 cd, is also a concept album 'cause it also has many styles on it


8-)

not ... :P[/QUOTE]

I guess you could look at as a musical menagerie of thoughts, ideas and concepts uniting as one. Hence, we could consider it a metaphor for the real world, and therein lies the concept for the album.

Eg: All the previous tracks showcase the good points of each style or thought, and Echoes proves how they can all stand together, united and sounding great.


EDIT: Does anyone know when U2 released [i]With or Without You[/i]? It's been bugging my constantly that it sounds an awful lot like Take It Back at certain points.

Dragon_Prince 10-02-2005 04:43 AM

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]I guess you could look at as a musical menagerie of thoughts, ideas and concepts uniting as one. Hence, we could consider it a metaphor for the real world, and therein lies the concept for the album.

Eg: All the previous tracks showcase the good points of each style or thought, and Echoes proves how they can all stand together, united and sounding great.


EDIT: Does anyone know when U2 released [i]With or Without You[/i]? It's been bugging my constantly that it sounds an awful lot like Take It Back at certain points.[/QUOTE]


1987 on The Joshua Tree(great album)

Yes, but with music there maybe are some thoughts, but those thoughts don't come from the music but from the lyrics, the music only make the lyrics stronger

Riva 10-02-2005 04:51 AM

[QUOTE=Dragon_Prince]1987 on The Joshua Tree(great album)

Yes, but with music there maybe are some thoughts, but those thoughts don't come from the music but from the lyrics, the music only make the lyrics stronger[/QUOTE]

Thanks!

Hehe, for a vocalist and lyricist (primarily), I actually place more importance on music than lyrics. But yes, I can take your point, and reverse it slightly ;) and come up with lyrics reinforce the music's message.

Dragon_Prince 10-02-2005 05:01 AM

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]Thanks!

Hehe, for a vocalist and lyricist (primarily), I actually place more importance on music than lyrics. But yes, I can take your point, and reverse it slightly ;) and come up with lyrics reinforce the music's message.[/QUOTE]


But how can this lyrics reinforce the music's message, the lyrics aren't saying about merging different styles into one :O

BlackDeathMetalJazz or really ANYTHING else please- 10-02-2005 06:19 AM

I don't think it's a concept at all. You guys think WAY to deeply into this concept business. Sorry to be the one that points this out but I just think you guys get way too obsessed with concepts. You guys are alright to say Animals, DSoTM, the Wall and Wish You Were Here are all concepts but I don't think you're on to something with Meddle. Good thinking though. :p

YouGottaBeCrazy 10-02-2005 07:41 AM

[QUOTE=Schyma]I don't think it's a concept at all. You guys think WAY to deeply into this concept business. Sorry to be the one that points this out but I just think you guys get way too obsessed with concepts. You guys are alright to say Animals, DSoTM, the Wall and Wish You Were Here are all concepts but I don't think you're on to something with Meddle. Good thinking though. :p[/QUOTE]

You shut your mouth! :p

BigTrav415 10-02-2005 02:01 PM

I have Echoes playing on repeat in my head right now. Specifically the part before the first lyrics, with Gilmour's bluesy, slow guitar and Mason's reverse cymbal crashes... you know, the slow part. I can't get it out of my head :(

BigTrav415 10-02-2005 02:14 PM

Oh, and has anyone ever heard of [url=http://cgi.ebay.com/The-Complete-Guide-To-The-Music-Of-Pink-Floyd-NEW_W0QQitemZ8338207928QQcategoryZ23923QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem]this[/url] book?

DeusExMachina 10-02-2005 02:27 PM

[QUOTE=BigTrav415]Oh, and has anyone ever heard of [url=http://cgi.ebay.com/The-Complete-Guide-To-The-Music-Of-Pink-Floyd-NEW_W0QQitemZ8338207928QQcategoryZ23923QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem]this[/url] book?[/QUOTE]
No, but it looks cool.

robo2448 10-02-2005 04:19 PM

One of These Days is like the greatest song ever. Random, but true. Sorry for this pointless post, but Gilmour's slide solo just completely blew me away for like the 100th time.

np- One of These Days

clairvoyant 10-02-2005 04:45 PM

NP: Shine On You Crazy Diamond (the second part)

robo2448 10-02-2005 04:47 PM

[QUOTE=clairvoyant]NP: Shine On You Crazy Diamond (the second part)[/QUOTE]

np- Another Brick in the Wall Pt. 2

I'm liking DSOT more and more the more I hear it. At first I thought it was nowhere near as good as Pulse. I still don't think it's as good as Pulse, but after repeated listens, I've decided it's awesome and right below Pulse.

Edit- I think the version of Comfortably Numb off of DSOT is the best version that I have ever heard. The whole 2nd disc of DSOT is fu[B][I][/I][/B]cking amazing.

Lunch 10-02-2005 05:02 PM

[QUOTE=clairvoyant]NP: Shine On You Crazy Diamond (the second part)[/QUOTE]

Floyd's underrated epic.

Lucky 7's.

Dr. Jake Destructo 10-02-2005 05:09 PM

SOYCD underrated? :eek: Yeah, it probably is, but it's still one of the most renowned PF songs, I'd say. One of my personal faves for sure.

Lunch 10-02-2005 05:25 PM

I meant the second (6-9) part. 1-5 certainly gets enough credit.

Sam 10-02-2005 06:08 PM

[QUOTE=Schyma]I don't think it's a concept at all. You guys think WAY to deeply into this concept business. Sorry to be the one that points this out but I just think you guys get way too obsessed with concepts. You guys are alright to say Animals, DSoTM, the Wall and Wish You Were Here are all concepts but I don't think you're on to something with Meddle. Good thinking though. :p[/QUOTE]

123

Riva 10-02-2005 07:22 PM

[QUOTE=robo2448]np- Another Brick in the Wall Pt. 2

I'm liking DSOT more and more the more I hear it. At first I thought it was nowhere near as good as Pulse. I still don't think it's as good as Pulse, but after repeated listens, I've decided it's awesome and right below Pulse.

Edit- I think the version of Comfortably Numb off of DSOT is the best version that I have ever heard. The whole 2nd disc of DSOT is fu[B][I][/I][B]ing amazing.[/QUOTE]

Haha, finally someone to share my DSOT fanboyism. :D

dr._feelgood 10-02-2005 07:35 PM

What does DSOT stand for? I'm sorry, I should know this.

Kingofdudes 10-02-2005 07:55 PM

Ugh DSoT. The filming is horrible. I prefer Pulse, and the Volcano relief concert versions of CN.

Broken Arrow 10-02-2005 07:57 PM

DSOT, all I have is the VHS, its pretty good.

BigTrav415 10-02-2005 08:22 PM

Don't have the CD or film version of DSOT :( I really want to get LAP as well, I'll get that first.

Broken Arrow 10-02-2005 08:23 PM

I dont have LAP either, I have the audio for it though.

magicbus 10-02-2005 08:28 PM

The dvd is awesome. You guys should buy it immediately.

DeusExMachina 10-02-2005 08:32 PM

[QUOTE=Livewired]I dont have LAP either, I have the audio for it though.[/QUOTE]
You have just the audio? Dude, you should send that out!

BigTrav415 10-02-2005 08:38 PM

Someone made a "wots uhhh the deal" thread in Teh Pit :cool:

MBS 10-02-2005 08:50 PM

Can someone upload the Divison Bell and YSI it to me at [email]inevergiveyoumymoney@gmail.com[/email] ?

It would be much appreciated. :)

DeusExMachina 10-02-2005 09:09 PM

Aaron - I'll upload it tomorrow, unless someone's already done it by then.

BigTrav415 10-03-2005 07:22 PM

Soooo.... bump.

Oh, and np: Echoes. I've been sucked back in by the almighty Meddle :(


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