[QUOTE=Darkness Of Greed]What? Heaviest album? This is the softest besides D'nation. Even the heavy parts of this album aren't even close to Deliverance or MAYH or BWP. So yes, I do deny that the heavy parts of the album are possibly the heaviest of their career.[/QUOTE]

Well, as Flynn said.To each his own.I never said it was the heaviest, I said it was one of the heaviest.IMO Deliverance remains as the heaviest.You're crazy if you think the heavy parts dont come close to the albums you listed.

I suppose the beginning of GoP, or it at about 6:30 isnt heavy.

The Baying of the Hounds at 6:00 at an almost symphonic BM moment, not heavy at all.

The first verse on Beneath the Mire, the final part of Harlequin Forest, The Grand Conjuration.All p[COLOR=Black]us[/COLOR]sy s[COLOR=Black]hi[/COLOR]t huh?

Again, you're crazy.

[QUOTE=Flynn]My thoughts exactly. Most of the people I know that listen to Opeth or know them, can't stand Orchid and Morningrise. [B]To each His Own[/B] right? I totally respect that. Here's the way I see it: If you like it, like it, if you don't then don't. The only thing that matters is that you're happy. I'm very happy with Orchid and Morningrise. Both of those albums have changed my life forever.

Yes, Orchid is definately the most revolutionary debut album ever recorded. (IMO) :thumb:














[I]

''Arrival...I saw her shadow in the darkness
Awaiting me like the night awaits the day!
Standing silent, smiling at my presence!
A black candle holds the only light''[/I][/QUOTE]

I personally get annoyed when someone says that both those albums suck or arent as good as the newer stuff.Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but to say they dont match the newer stuff is just ignorant.They are in many ways even better than the newer stuff.I wish people would get past the production on them to see that.

Might I add, I find the production on them to be great.I'm happy with an album's production as long as I can hear all the music.It comes in crystal clear on both albums.Really, its just the vocals that sound a bit off.They sound dry, and have lots of reverb.Either way, I wouldnt change a thing about them.

Well Orchid is amazing. Period.

Your avatar is amazing also.

MAYH or Still Life for lyrics.

[QUOTE=Slapping Penguin]Well Opeth is amazing. Period.[/QUOTE]
Fix'd.

Hahah indeed

[QUOTE=Flynn]Basically the entire album (IMO) is about the future government. Someone sees something they're doing and eventually, at the end...Everything dies. It's his Documentation. Read the lyrics sometime. Reading is helpful ;)[/QUOTE]

Um....

stop the aguing people

we all have our right to have opinions, and yes I see a story in BWP as well,.
I don't care if Mikeal intended it to be a concept album or not, I see a very nice story in it.

[indian]now let us all smoke the peace pipe :smoke:[/indian]

Here's the thing I noticed about Ghost Reveries:

Its a completely new direction the band is going in. I mean, come on people, you really expect them to make another BWP or MorningRise? We are all musicians (most of us, I think?)...who wants to play the same **** over and over? Am I dissapointed in the album...yeah, a little, I was really expecting more harder stuff. Granted, Ghost of Perdition is a BAD *** song, I just wish there was more like it on the album. Do I dislike them for it? of course not! They are going in the direction they deem fit for them.

The great things I noted for the album, as someone else mentioned, was the production. It is pretty **** good and the song structures are a lot more complicated. You can really tell how they have all improved as musicians from their 3 year hiatus. Most notably, Lopez' drumming is absolutely amazing!!!!

Well...that's my take

I stated similar thoughts on the new album and opeth's new direction a few pages back. I'm not at all dissappointed though, I love the album.

And although we shouldn't argue there should definitely be some debate/discussion. There's really a fine line between debating/discussing and arguing, but it debating really boils down to arguing while still maintaining an open mind and respect for everyone elses opinion.

My thoughts:
Not many people know about opeth, and certainly not many know opeth as intimately as most people in this thread--so why not add some depth to it through discussion? Are you people satisfied with just skimming the surface of everything this band deals with the comments like "Black Rose Immortal is sooo awesome". I know I'm not. I want to see a differing viewpoints and a variety of perspectives on music that I'm familar with and think I already know. I want to better explore the multiple facets that this band offers and I think this would be a great place for that.

[QUOTE=ElectricalStorm]Not many people know about opeth[/QUOTE]
Actually, they are very popular. When I went to SOTU, I saw more people there wearing Opeth gear than I did for any other band. That is very surprising considering that bands like Gwar, Lamb of God, and Unearth were there.

[QUOTE=Damien Rhodes]Actually, they are very popular. When I went to SOTU, I saw more people there wearing Opeth gear than I did for any other band. That is very surprising considering that bands like Gwar, Lamb of God, and Unearth were there.[/QUOTE]
Within the metal/musician community they've become popular, but outside of that subculture they're not all that popular.

That's true. Why is that? Opeth are not amazingly technical or anything, and there are plenty of other bands with more complex writing. What about Opeth attracts musicians so much? For me, I think it's the atmosphere and mixed aggression/sadness they have, which has nothing to do with intricate musicianship.

[QUOTE=Damien Rhodes]That's true. Why is that? Opeth are not amazingly technical or anything, and there are plenty of other bands with more complex writing. What about Opeth attracts musicians so much? For me, I think it's the atmosphere and mixed aggression/sadness they have, which has nothing to do with intricate musicianship.[/QUOTE]

Maybe because some musicians like technicallity more than anything, so they listen to their wide variety of technically skilled bands while other musicians (us) like the songwritting and atmosphere that Opeth creates so easily.

[QUOTE=relliK]Well, as Flynn said.To each his own.I never said it was the heaviest, I said it was one of the heaviest.IMO Deliverance remains as the heaviest.You're crazy if you think the heavy parts dont come close to the albums you listed.

I suppose the beginning of GoP, or it at about 6:30 isnt heavy.

The Baying of the Hounds at 6:00 at an almost symphonic BM moment, not heavy at all.

The first verse on Beneath the Mire, the final part of Harlequin Forest, The Grand Conjuration.All p[COLOR=Black]us[/COLOR]sy s[COLOR=Black]hi[/COLOR]t huh?

Again, you're crazy.[/QUOTE]
Why are those parts heavy? Because of the growling? I don't find the guitars or drums THAT heavy at all, but ofcourse its still pretty heavy, just not as heavy as the albums I stated before. IMO ofcourse, everybody has a different opinion of what heavy is.

Who cares about how "heavy" it is if it sounds good? If you don't like an album because it's not heavy enough for you, you shouldn't be listening to Opeth anyway because thier music is both heavy and soft, angry and sad, etc.

[QUOTE=ambush]Who cares about how "heavy" it is if it sounds good? If you don't like an album because it's not heavy enough for you, you shouldn't be listening to Opeth anyway because thier music is both heavy and soft, angry and sad, etc.[/QUOTE]
Eh...yes and no.

Opeth IS Metal and Metal IS heavy, that's how its always been. To go from the contrast of Deliverance (with Deliverance, Wreath, Master's Apprentice) and BWP (Leper Affinity, BWP, Bleak) to this album is a big thing. I never said it didn't sound good, only that I wish it could have been heavier. Yes, it is stupid to not like an album because its not "heavy", but anyone who has listened to Orchid to Deliverance that with the exception of ****ation, Opeth is a heavy band. Yes, they do combine elements of Prog and Folk even with their music, which is why we love them so much and that they can appeal to a larger audience.

Don't be so quick to say that you shouldn't listen to Opeth because some of us expected more metal. Its just taking some getting used to, that's all. GR is a good album, but its no BWP :p

[QUOTE=IvortheEngineDriver]Eh...yes and no.

Opeth IS Metal and Metal IS heavy, that's how its always been. To go from the contrast of Deliverance (with Deliverance, Wreath, Master's Apprentice) and BWP (Leper Affinity, BWP, Bleak) to this album is a big thing. I never said it didn't sound good, only that I wish it could have been heavier. Yes, it is stupid to not like an album because its not "heavy", but anyone who has listened to Orchid to Deliverance that with the exception of ****ation, Opeth is a heavy band. Yes, they do combine elements of Prog and Folk even with their music, which is why we love them so much and that they can appeal to a larger audience.

Don't be so quick to say that you shouldn't listen to Opeth because some of us expected more metal. Its just taking some getting used to, that's all. GR is a good album, but its no BWP :p[/QUOTE]

I'm not gonna go count or anything (although.. it might be somewhat entertaining) but I'd be willing to bet that BWP and GR have about the same amount of clean passages throughout. I'm guessing that the clean passages/songs take away from the "heaviness" of the entire album, so that's what I'm making the connection between the two CDs with. Both CDs have 8 songs, GR has 2 entirely soft ones, BWP has 2. I don't think heaviness has anything to do with your (referring to all who are iffy about GR) liking or disliking of GR, it's just that BWP has better, more memorable riffs, more epic songs, and kicks a lot more a[color=white]s[/color]s in general (like you said in your last sentence.. kind of).

[QUOTE=ambush]Who cares about how "heavy" it is if it sounds good? If you don't like an album because it's not heavy enough for you, you shouldn't be listening to Opeth anyway because thier music is both heavy and soft, angry and sad, etc.[/QUOTE]
I don't think it sounds that good. Heaviness would have added to its goodness IMO. And more acoustics.

[QUOTE=Darkness Of Greed]I don't think it sounds that good. Heaviness would have added to its goodness IMO. And more acoustics.[/QUOTE]

Oh, well. I guess Opeth isn't hXc enough for you anymore. Sad day.

[QUOTE=ambush]Oh, well. I guess Opeth isn't hXc enough for you anymore. Sad day.[/QUOTE]
Guess so. :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Darkness Of Greed]Guess so. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

Am I wrong? If "heaviness adds to its goodness" then Opeth's supposed lack of heaviness makes them less good, therefore not good enough? I don't know about you, but I'm banging my head a lot during songs like Ghost of Perdition and Baying of the Hounds.

[QUOTE=Darkness Of Greed]I don't think it sounds that good. Heaviness would have added to its goodness IMO. And more acoustics.[/QUOTE]


I agree...Yeah, I haven't listened to it in several days. I have been listening to a [I]lot[/I] of Deliverance though. :D

[QUOTE=ambush]Am I wrong? If "heaviness adds to its goodness" then Opeth's supposed lack of heaviness makes them less good, therefore not good enough?[/QUOTE]



Actually, if it makes you feel good, do it. :cool: [I]You[/I] may love Ghost Reveries, and you are definately going to run into people that don't care for it. It's all opinion based, really. You can't change someone's taste by stating what you think as a fact. Here's my opinion:

Ghost Reveries isn't as heavy as I would of liked it to be. Although, there are some nice heavy riffs, the album, as a whole, is lacking a [I]lot[/I] of lethality, both musically and lyrically. It almost seems as if it was ''rushed'' to get it out ASAP. There is quite a bit of singing on this album as well, nothing wrong with that, but too much is too much. It almost seems that Akerfeldt still has D@mnation on his mind.

I do like this album, not compared to other recordings of Opeth though. It's missing ''something'' and I can't describe what that is. :upset:

Of course, that is all my opinion. ;)

[QUOTE=Flynn]Actually, if it makes you feel good, do it. :cool: [I]You[/I] may love Ghost Reveries, and you are definately going to run into people that don't care for it. It's all opinion based, really. You can't change someone's taste by stating what you think as a fact. Here's my opinion:

Ghost Reveries isn't as heavy as I would of liked it to be. Although, there are some nice heavy riffs, the album, as a whole, is lacking a [I]lot[/I] of lethality, both musically and lyrically. It almost seems as if it was ''rushed'' to get it out ASAP. There is quite a bit of singing on this album as well, nothing wrong with that, but too much is too much. It almost seems that Akerfeldt still has D@mnation on his mind.

I do like this album, not compared to other recordings of Opeth though. It's missing ''something'' and I can't describe what that is. :upset:

Of course, that is all my opinion. ;)[/QUOTE]

I never said I loved GR, I'm just saying that his overbearing reason for not liking the CD is because of some overused adjective. I agree, GR doesn't measure up to anything Opeth has done in the past, it's missing something. But the CD is not "not heavy", it's just different Opeth, that's all.

[QUOTE=ambush]I never said I loved GR, I'm just saying that his overbearing reason for not liking the CD is because of some overused adjective. I agree, GR doesn't measure up to anything Opeth has done in the past, it's missing something. But the CD is not "[B]not heavy[/B]", it's just different Opeth, that's all.[/QUOTE]


I really think it's their lightest album.

[QUOTE=Flynn]I really think it's their lightest album.[/QUOTE]

Even so, it's still not light. You're dancing around the fact that this is a metal CD. It's still heavy. :lol:

[QUOTE=ambush]It's still heavy. :lol:[/QUOTE]


And if you think that, it's cool. :cool: Maybe you're the type of Opeth listener that likes the softer side of them. That's totally understandable. I [I]do[/I] respect that. :thumb:

[QUOTE=Flynn]And if you think that, it's cool. :cool: Maybe you're the type of Opeth listener that likes the softer side of them. That's totally understandable. I [I]do[/I] respect that. :thumb:[/QUOTE]

Wow.. don't get ignorant on me now. You're putting words in my mouth. My comment had nothing to do with the soft side of Opeth, I said that the album was heavy, I certainly wasn't referring to the soft sections.

But growling has no correlation with being heavy?

All I can do now is laugh and leave with less respect for you. How ridiculous.