I think that is the first song I heard of theirs and I thought it sounded really ugly and I actually traded in the cd for store credit. I later bought the cd again once my musical tastes had changed. Its a good song on a really good album.

[QUOTE=RetiredAt21;14887060]I only like the first Poison The Well album. Anything after that...meh.[/QUOTE]
I think they just kept getting better after making a superb debut.

[QUOTE=Hbp;14887070]I think they just kept getting better after making a superb debut.[/QUOTE]

I agree, they got much more complex and moody.

When I think about it, P-Dubs is like one of the premier Metalcore bands right now.

I agree, though some (not me) would argue that they aren't metalcore, but whatever!

How would they do that?

What are you talking about?

Someone claiming that P-Dubs isn't metalcore.

When I mentioned them people said that they were hardcore or post-hardcore with no metal influences, but I don't really agree with that.

P-Dubs?

Poison The Well

Oh. They got worse after the first album.

Meh, To each his own. I think they got better.

[QUOTE=RetiredAt21;14887060]I only like the first Poison The Well album. Anything after that...meh.[/QUOTE]

Are you kidding me? That album is so generic and the vocals are SO BAD.

This thread needs more Dead Man In Reno talk.

Goodbye Tommorrow, Hello Dead Letters = possibly the best metalcore song there is.

Just checked out Dead Man In Reno.

They are indeed a very good band.

Yep. They need to release their lyrics online already though.

[QUOTE=Frankie;14888120]Just checked out Dead Man In Reno.

They are indeed a very good band.[/QUOTE]

Never heard of them. What do they sound like?

Above average standard metalcore.

But their standard? Nothing new?

This isn't really the genre to be expecting that in.

But yeah, they're about as standard as they come. Granted, they do it surprisingly well, but not so surprisingly, you've already heard it before.

I shall pass. Thanks for the info.

Honestly, they're so much more talented than most other in the genre, good generic is still good.

Generic isn't really a bad thing if it's done well.

DMIR pulls it off ridiculously well.

And wtf, Botch is [I]such[/I] a Norma Jean rip-off!

[QUOTE=i am the robots;14890726]DMIR pulls it off ridiculously well.

And wtf, Botch is [I]such[/I] a Norma Jean rip-off![/QUOTE]

/fails

[QUOTE=i am the robots;14890726]DMIR pulls it off ridiculously well.

And wtf, Botch is [I]such[/I] a Norma Jean rip-off![/QUOTE]

Hahaha, yeah right moron. Norma Jean's new album copied Botch so f[I]u[/I]cking bad it isn't even funny.

Haha. He was kidding, and they didn't really rip them off on the new album as much as O' God, the awesome album that it is.

That album sucks.. It's all generic crappy metalcore.

never bothered with norma jean. probably never will.

[QUOTE=antihippy;14891429]never bothered with norma jean. probably never will.[/QUOTE]

Good.

[QUOTE=RetiredAt21;14891420]That album sucks.. It's all generic crappy metalcore.[/QUOTE]
That's their best album, and it's not metalcore, it's mathcore.

which is just metalcore with odd time signatures when you come to think of it.

[QUOTE=Hbp;14891435]That's their best album, and it's not metalcore, it's mathcore.[/QUOTE]

Ignored.

[QUOTE=antihippy;14891436]which is just metalcore with odd time signatures when you come to think of it.[/QUOTE]

With a little more complexity, but yes.

Mathcore isn't a genre. Stop making up stupid "core" genres, it's f[I]u[/I]cking retarded.

I didn't make it up. It's considered a subgenre of a subgenre. Blame Botch for popularizing it.

I doubt any of the members of Botch ever uttered the term "mathcore." Shut up.

haha I like you, Retired.

Get out of my thread.

Anyone like The Handshake Murders?

[QUOTE=Hbp;14891467]Get out of my thread.

Anyone like The Handshake Murders?[/QUOTE]

No. Stop bringing up sh[I]i[/I]tty bands.

KISS IT GOODBYE