^I really enjoy it. Their best pre-Tommy album. ^

[QUOTE=Obi One Kenodi]On the topic of the two new songs on Then and Now, I've only heard Real Good Looking Boy which I really like. Whats the other one like?[/QUOTE]

Old Red Wine. They're both very meh to me.

[QUOTE=HighVoltageRockNRoll]Im thinking about getting the Who Sell Out next, i've heard lots of good about it, and I like the idea of the radio jingles. Is this a wise choice?[/QUOTE]

I've always loved the Who Sell Out since I was a kid. It's fits nicely with albums like Sgt. Pepper's and the Kink's Village Green Preservation Society.

I also would recommend The Who Sing My Generation. First album. Talk about Maximum R&B! You can hear it all over that record. Good, good stuff. Detours, High Numbers, The Who. It's all there...

[b][SIZE="7"]"IT'S ONLY TEENAGE WASTELAND"!![/SIZE][/b]

Amrite, people?

[B]YES. I. AM. :) [/B]

So, who has the latest Who scoop? I haven't check around lately.


EDIT: Townshend really [I]is[/I] GOD! :smash:

Someone here was going to see the Who soon...I forget who it was though.

By the way, thanks JXD, I'm really digging X. Very Cool stuff. I appreciate it a lot.

[QUOTE=JXD]I also would recommend The Who Sing My Generation. First album. Talk about Maximum R&B! You can hear it all over that record. Good, good stuff. Detours, High Numbers, The Who. It's all there...[/QUOTE]
I recomend this one too. Really interesting to see how they started off.

Just needed to say how great the Tommy/Quadrophenia set is, the live hits are awesome


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[quote]EDIT: Townshend really is GOD![/quote]

Was anybody denying this simple fact of life?

I love the Kids Are Allright soundtrack. That has become my favorite Who album.

[QUOTE=temporary]Was anybody denying this simple fact of life?[/QUOTE]
Indeed. Believe it or not even in this day and age it still happens. People always talking about Jesus or that islamic fellow. WTF? :confused:
[QUOTE=pigonthewing82]I love the Kids Are Allright soundtrack. That has become my favorite Who album.[/QUOTE]
I've been listening to it a lot lately. It truly is great. The tracks they cut on the soundstage for the film itself are among the best live recordings ever officially released by them, IMO.

[QUOTE=JXD]Indeed. Believe it or not even in this day and age it still happens. People always talking about Jesus or that islamic fellow. WTF? :confused:

I've been listening to it a lot lately. It truly is great. The tracks they cut on the soundstage for the film itself are among the best live recordings ever officially released by them, IMO.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I think I should try to see the movie. I heard it was really good.

I espciecially love Won't Get Fooled Again the best. Its such a great song :thumb:

the movie is phenoenal......bad sp I know

Won't Get Fooled Again on that movie is quite possibly.....THE defining moment of rock 'n roll. If someone asks you what rock music is, just say "Won't Get Fooled Again, Shepperton Studios, May 25 1978"

The scream and the slow-mo slide......is orgasmic beyond the greatest sex!

I think I've seen that, and I might have it on tape. Indeed, it was a historic moment for rock music.

JDX: How did you edit your username from JonXDoe to JDX??

[QUOTE=Seafroggys]the movie is phenoenal......bad sp I know

Won't Get Fooled Again on that movie is quite possibly.....THE defining moment of rock 'n roll. If someone asks you what rock music is, just say "Won't Get Fooled Again, Shepperton Studios, May 25 1978"

The scream and the slow-mo slide......is orgasmic beyond the greatest sex![/QUOTE]

Yeah I keep and keep hearing reviews of the film a lot like that. I've been really getting into The Who latley. The album that made me get REALLY into them was Who's Next? Everyone in the band shines on that album and I got the deluxe edition with the live disk, whitch isn't a bad live album. I really hope I get to see the Who live (well half of the Who).

ZOMG could you upload the 2nd Disc of that set? I was planning to get it when my local record store had a sale (it was marked doen to $20 from $30) but when I went back with my money they didn't have anymore copies. Live Who material from 1971 is a must-own.

[QUOTE=HighVoltageRockNRoll]Im thinking about getting the Who Sell Out next, i've heard lots of good about it, and I like the idea of the radio jingles. Is this a wise choice?[/QUOTE]
Yes, it is a wise choice. It's an excellent album.

The Who Sell Out is such a great album. Everyone points to Sgt. Pepper's as if it were the only album to take full advantage of new and innovative studio effects like that in 1967, where as Sell Out flies under the rader to non-Who fans.

Rael is seriously underrated.

I find the whole radio-concept very interesting. And funny, too. I laugh out loud every time I hear "Heinz Baked Beans."

[QUOTE=pigonthewing82]Yeah I think I should try to see the movie. I heard it was really good. I espciecially love Won't Get Fooled Again the best. Its such a great song.[/QUOTE]
Yes, it is really good. It's a mess in a Who sort of way, shot by a young amatuer. But he was a fan, so he got the call. Not so much a fan as another crazy I hear. Like me for this band. And many others. Lunch would know more, as he's been reading Who stuff lately. Or at least looking at the pictures. :p

The DVD has must have bonus material. Namely John's bass track isolated on Baba and WGFA from the Shepperton performance. It's [I]amazing[/I] to hear. And interesting as well. The film is kind of broken, but the audio is in tact. And somehow the broken film adds to it rather then takes away.
[QUOTE=Seafroggys]the movie is phenoenal......bad sp I know......Won't Get Fooled Again on that movie is quite possibly.....THE defining moment of rock 'n roll. If someone asks you what rock music is, just say "Won't Get Fooled Again, Shepperton Studios, May 25 1978" .The scream and the slow-mo slide......is orgasmic beyond the greatest sex![/QUOTE]
I couldn't say it was the defining moment of "rock n roll" but it certainly was a defining moment for me. It was this album, and perhaps just as well the film, that really got me into The Who. And it was that performance in general that got me stuck. Plus it's very visual. This band was always exciting live. And Townshend is a very physical performer. The entire band was just a physical force onstage.
[QUOTE=zabbit82]JDX: How did you edit your username from JonXDoe to JDX??[/QUOTE]
I asked for a name change in the site forum where you request changes, etc....
[QUOTE=pigonthewing82]Yeah I keep and keep hearing reviews of the film a lot like that. I've been really getting into The Who latley. The album that made me get REALLY into them was Who's Next? Everyone in the band shines on that album and I got the deluxe edition with the live disk, whitch isn't a bad live album. I really hope I get to see the Who live (well half of the Who).[/QUOTE]
Of course it's not a bad live album. The Who never made a bad live album. Except for Who's Last. Which wasn't there fault. Has anyone heard that peice of crap? Who recorded it? It's the worst sounding album ever. The band sounds 2 miles away and muffled on that thing. Shockingly poor production and mix.

But your mention of Who's Next and how everyone shined on that album made me think about just how different live this band was then they were in studio. While others would strive to duplicate live what they did in studio, or fall short of the greatness they might be on record, The Who made every single flaw into a strength. Musical and otherwise. This was a meticulous studio band as any that never got it right in studio (crazy Pete) and took it out all over the stage. Especially Pete. He lead the whole thing. The fury and explosiveness of The Who onstage is still something I have not heard duplicated. I don't think it can be. For me, they defined what live rock n roll is at it's best.
[QUOTE=Lunch]ZOMG could you upload the 2nd Disc of that set? I was planning to get it when my local record store had a sale but when I went back with my money they didn't have anymore copies...... [/QUOTE]
:lol: :lol: :lol:

[QUOTE=JXD]Yes, it is really good. It's a mess in a Who sort of way, shot by a young amatuer. But he was a fan, so he got the call. Not so much a fan as another crazy I hear. Like me for this band. And many others. Lunch would know more, as he's been reading Who stuff lately. Or at least looking at the pictures. :p

But your mention of Who's Next and how everyone shined on that album made me think about just how different live this band was then they were in studio. While others would strive to duplicate live what they did in studio, or fall short of the greatness they might be on record, The Who made every single flaw into a strength. Musical and otherwise. This was a meticulous studio band as any that never got it right in studio (crazy Pete) and took it out all over the stage. Especially Pete. He lead the whole thing. The fury and explosiveness of The Who onstage is still something I have not heard duplicated. I don't think it can be. For me, they defined what live rock n roll is at it's best. [/QUOTE]

I've mainly been looking at the pictures :p The picture for the 1973 section is just an amazing live shot of the Who, I wish I could make it into a poster that took up my whole wall.

The Who = definition of live Rock and Roll. That's a fact.

And yea, I got pwned by my record store, when they didn't have the da[SIZE="2"]mn[/SIZE] deluxe edition of Who's Next when I went back.

I still want to buy the Tommy and Quadrophenia live DVD but I'm so damn cheap, and it is so damn expensive.

:upset:

[url]http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000B9PW6M/qid=1143402827/sr=8-6/ref=pd_bbs_6/103-1638052-8211005?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=130[/url]

"What's for tea darling?"

I got mine when it first came out, and Best Buy had a small discount on it. I think it was $25.

[QUOTE=fwqhgads]I still want to buy the Tommy and Quadrophenia live DVD but I'm so damn cheap, and it is so damn expensive.

:upset:[/QUOTE]
Same here. It's not so much that I am cheap, it's just I refuse to pay more then $30 for it, total. That's just how I am with money. I've never paid $40.00 for a DVD (the price including tax at my local record store is over $38.00) and I don't plan on it. I got a live U2 and live Bowie for $25 a couple of weeks ago. I could of gotten this, but I had to make a choice. Pay more for one thing I'm real familiar with, or pay less for a couple of new things. So for me the choice was clear.

The Amazon price is tempting. And I have one click ordering with them. Makes it sooo easy. But even with free shipping it's around $33.00. I would like to see the whole package drop to $25.00. Then I'd snap it up. Because to me, that's fair. And what I'm willing to pay. But you never know. It's just one click away....

Also wanted to say I'm sitting here listening to TKAA soundtrack, and Keith lost [I]nothing[/I] toward the end of his life. So many say he lost his ability, or some of it, and point to the Who Are You album as proof. But if you listen to Baba, WGFA, and especially My Wife from the soundtrack, you hear that he is as brillant as ever. And perhaps even throws in a few new things. He is right...on...the...BEAT. And he and John own My Wife, with Keith anchoring the whole thing down and leading the way at the same time. No easy feat for a drummer.

Perhaps he wasn't up to a rigorous recording schedule, considering his poor health. And so his playing on Who Are You suffered. But the tracks recorded for TKAA show that he was on top of his game and suffered no loss of talent whatsoever. And for anyone to suggest thar after Quad and By Numbers he somehow "lost it" is ridiculous. Poor health, drink, some drugs, yes. But by the time TKAA soundtrack was recorded he was coming back. And as this record shows, he never lost it. He just wasn't in good shape for awhile.

Keith Moon, RIP.


[B]EDIT:[/B]
[QUOTE=Lunch]I got mine when it first came out, and Best Buy had a small discount on it. I think it was $25.[/QUOTE]
That's what I'm looking for. I was thinking of Best Buy.....

He started getting into big trouble in 1976 and '77, but by 1978 his health was starting to improve and his playing was getting back to where is used to be as a result. That's why it was such a shock when he died, because he was on his way out of his troubles.

I'm not going to pay more than $20 for it. I'm cheap. I'd pay $30 if I really, really wanted it, but there are a bunch of things I want more.

And I do think that Keith declined considerably. He still had some bright spots though as you said. He didn't decline at all in skill, but he was in bad shape towards the end of his life with weight, drugs... Eventually it all caught up to him and affected his playing sometimes. But in terms of talent, he lost nothing. It was just a question of whether he would show up to the recording sessions in shape to play. When he wasn't completely wasted, he could still play as well as ever.

[QUOTE=Lunch]He started getting into big trouble in 1976 and '77, but by 1978 his health was starting to improve and his playing was getting back to where is used to be as a result. That's why it was such a shock when he died, because he was on his way out of his troubles.[/QUOTE]
Yeah. I have a couple of pictures of him from his last night alive. You might be familiar with them. It's him and his wife and Paul and Linda McCartney. I think it's actually a party for the release of TKAA. And he is looking good. Eyes wide and with a sparkle, drinking a club soda, and looking happy and very animated. Looking like Keith, in other words. But not crazy. Just clean and sober. And he had lost weight. I know his death was accidental. Too bad. He actually OD'd on his anti-drinking pills because he didn't want to drink so bad. At least I'm pretty sure that's how the story goes. Correct me if I'm wrong. But that is very sad.

That's the way I've always heard the story. And yea, I've seen a couple of photos from the night before his death.

Keith's death is especially tragic because I think the Who could've made a couple more great albums. Townshend's songwriting and ability was still as good as ever, Daltrey still had the pipes and Entwistle was always getting better. As opposed to Led Zeppelin, when Bonham died I think that was a good time to end the group. ITTOD was decent but to me it sounds like a sinking ship of a group. I'm not saying Led Zeppelin would've sucked if they had continued, I'm just hypothesizing.

[QUOTE=Lunch]That's the way I've always heard the story. And yea, I've seen a couple of photos from the night before his death.

Keith's death is especially tragic because I think the Who could've made a couple more great albums. Townshend's songwriting and ability was still as good as ever, Daltrey still had the pipes and Entwistle was always getting better. As opposed to Led Zeppelin, when Bonham died I think that was a good time to end the group. ITTOD was decent but to me it sounds like a sinking ship of a group. I'm not saying Led Zeppelin would've sucked if they had continued, I'm just hypothesizing.[/QUOTE]
I completely agree with you. But I think Pete may of left, anyway. He was just tired of being in The Who at the time. On the same token though, he was always talking crap. So yeah, at least a couple of more great albums could of come from them. Pete is a great songwriter and as his solo albums bear out, he was very creative at this point.

And when Bonham died, yeah, it was the right time. Jimmy was struggling himself, and his playing live was never what it was in the studio, anyway. Least of all at this time. Zeppelin kind of needed a reason to quit. After the very lackluster Presence and the John Paul Jones led In Through The Outdoor (a good album, but not near the Page/Plant epics of before) they were running on fumes. Plus with the band counting on Jimmy to write the music and produce the albums, he just wasn't up to it anymore. And Jones could only hold court so long, I'm sure. Zep was also a victim of their own legend. Things were expected of them. The same way dopey Metallica fans expect things of them. The Who were very flexible. And the fans accepted that. And Pete was trying to get them more so. Even after Keith died. But to no avail.

Speaking of Pete....I wrote a "blurb" for sputnik of All The Best Cowboys Have Chinese Eyes. A blurb is a new feature over there and is basically a one paragraph mini review. Pretty cool. Anyway, I wrote it to accompany my full review of Empty Glass and just want to say in my gathering an album cover shot for the blurb, I see at Amazon you can get Empty Glass And ATBCHCE together for under $18. And Empty Glass alone for under $8. I would encourage any Who fan to pick these up. These are the two solo albums Pete recorded while still in The Who. And they are together 20 of his best songs from the late seventies and early 80's. Pick these up to complete your Who collection. If you have no other Pete albums, these are essential. And ATBCHCE is not an easy find. And I consider it one of his best works. In or out of The Who. Is it The Who? Well, yes and no. It's the best of The Who mixed with the best of Pete. That's the best way I can describe it.

So consider those two albums now or later. Anything else by Pete you can go without. Although he has put out some decent live stuff and interesting solo stuff over the years. But again I must stress the two above are [I]essential[/i] recordings for any Who fan. So do yourselves a favor....you won't be disappointed. If you are, I'll refund your money. :p

[QUOTE=JXD]I completely agree with you. But I think Pete may of left, anyway. He was just tired of being in The Who at the time. On the same token though, he was always talking crap. So yeah, at least a couple of more great albums could of come from them. Pete is a great songwriter and as his solo albums bear out, he was very creative at this point.[/QUOTE]

Pete had been tired of being in the Who since 1965 :p

[QUOTE=Lunch]Pete had been tired of being in the Who since 1965 :p[/QUOTE]
hehehe.

True. I don't think he'll ever be at peace with The Who. Maybe this next go around will do it for him.

It's been nice. Gotta step out into real life for awhile. Damn it all...:wave:

[QUOTE=JXD]But your mention of Who's Next and how everyone shined on that album made me think about just how different live this band was then they were in studio. While others would strive to duplicate live what they did in studio, or fall short of the greatness they might be on record:[/QUOTE]

Yeah I love bands like that. Thats why I love bands like Jimi Hendrix, Bob Dylan, or The Grateful Dead. They sound sometimes totally different from the studio album, but both the live and studio sound have different things that make them great.

[QUOTE=Lunch]That's the way I've always heard the story. And yea, I've seen a couple of photos from the night before his death.

Keith's death is especially tragic because I think the Who could've made a couple more great albums. Townshend's songwriting and ability was still as good as ever, Daltrey still had the pipes and Entwistle was always getting better. As opposed to Led Zeppelin, when Bonham died I think that was a good time to end the group. ITTOD was decent but to me it sounds like a sinking ship of a group. I'm not saying Led Zeppelin would've sucked if they had continued, I'm just hypothesizing.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, ITTOD wasn't a stellar album, I mean it had some great songs on it (In The Evening, Carouselambra). I read in a GuitarWorld interview that Page gave saying that he thought ITTOD was soft, and him and Bonham were discussing plans on making a hard-driving rock album. I would have at least loved to see Zeppelin release a album on a high note after "Out Door" then quit after that, (given that Bonham didnt die in '80). Then again I'm one of MX's hardcore Zep fans....

But anyways,the Who were gaining steam and getting better during Who Are You. So sad Keith had to die soon after... :upset:

[QUOTE=zabbit82]Yeah, ITTOD wasn't a stellar album, I mean it had some great songs on it (In The Evening, Carouselambra). I read in a GuitarWorld interview that Page gave saying that he thought ITTOD was soft, and him and Bonham were discussing plans on making a hard-driving rock album. I would have at least loved to see Zeppelin release a album on a high note after "Out Door" then quit after that, (given that Bonham didnt die in '80). Then again I'm one of MX's hardcore Zep fans....

But anyways,the Who were gaining steam and getting better during Who Are You. So sad Keith had to die soon after... :upset:[/QUOTE]
I really like ITTOD. Again, not up to par with previous work, but I think it surpasses Presence Which is a bore, IMO. I like the songs you mentioned, Hot Dog, All Of My Love, Fool In The Rain, I'm Gonna Crawl, South Bound Suarez. And that just about covers it. The entire album, I mean. It also helps that the album is just seven songs long. :p

Anyway, not a Zep thread, but perhaps you can give me some info. I've always been curious about Jimmy. Great studio musician, good live. As Zep's music became more elaborate he seemed to struggle onstage. Fine. You do what you can. But when I saw the HTWWW DVD it's almost shocking how much he slipped throughout the years.

Again, I'm no big Zep fan, but I do respect them. But what happened to Jimmy? When I heard Jimmy Page & The Black Crowes Live At The Greek he seems to be a shadow of his former self. And I listen to that album. I like it. Good tunes. But Jimmy is supposed to be one of rocks [I]great[/I] guitarist. For a moment perhaps he was. Or maybe he was only in the studio? But live I've never heard it. Which is fine. But in the late seventies it seems Bonham and Jones made a great rythmn section, and then Jimmy would just screech all over things with sloppy guitar that wasn't supposed to be sloppy.

Again, I know this is your favorite band. Or close. And I respect them and admire a lot of their work. But what happened to Jimmy the producer, songwriter, and musician along the way?

He fell into hard drugs, basically. That can't explain EVERYTHING about his decline but it's definitely a big factor.

[QUOTE=Lunch]I got mine when it first came out, and Best Buy had a small discount on it. I think it was $25.[/QUOTE]
Cool. I'll check Best Buy.
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Wasn't there talk like a year ago about a new album? With Ringo Starr's son on drums?

Also, a tour if I'm not mistaken.

Or was I just dreaming this?

[QUOTE=fwqhgads]Wasn't there talk like a year ago about a new album? With Ringo Starr's son on drums?

Also, a tour if I'm not mistaken.

Or was I just dreaming this?[/QUOTE]
It's coming. This summer and just past. Album and tour. Or something like an album. Pete says it's a whole new deal for them. So we'll see.

[QUOTE=PinkFreud]He fell into hard drugs, basically. That can't explain EVERYTHING about his decline but it's definitely a big factor.[/QUOTE]
Yeah. I know about the drugs. But perhaps not the extent. And I suppose he may still battle some demons? I really don't know?

[QUOTE=JXD]It's coming. This summer and just past. Album and tour. Or something like an album. Pete says it's a whole new deal for them. So we'll see.[/QUOTE]
I can't wait now.

[QUOTE=JXD]I really like ITTOD. Again, not up to par with previous work, but I think it surpasses Presence Which is a bore, IMO. I like the songs you mentioned, Hot Dog, All Of My Love, Fool In The Rain, I'm Gonna Crawl, South Bound Suarez. And that just about covers it. The entire album, I mean. It also helps that the album is just seven songs long. :p

Anyway, not a Zep thread, but perhaps you can give me some info. I've always been curious about Jimmy. Great studio musician, good live. As Zep's music became more elaborate he seemed to struggle onstage. Fine. You do what you can. But when I saw the HTWWW DVD it's almost shocking how much he slipped throughout the years.

Again, I'm no big Zep fan, but I do respect them. But what happened to Jimmy? When I heard Jimmy Page & The Black Crowes Live At The Greek he seems to be a shadow of his former self. And I listen to that album. I like it. Good tunes. But Jimmy is supposed to be one of rocks [I]great[/I] guitarist. For a moment perhaps he was. Or maybe he was only in the studio? But live I've never heard it. Which is fine. But in the late seventies it seems Bonham and Jones made a great rythmn section, and then Jimmy would just screech all over things with sloppy guitar that wasn't supposed to be sloppy.

Again, I know this is your favorite band. Or close. And I respect them and admire a lot of their work. But what happened to Jimmy the producer, songwriter, and musician along the way?[/QUOTE]

Well I know after Bonham died, he didnt play his guitar for a long time. I think he hit is prime from '68 to '75, so pretty much I to PG. Honestly, I think Presence is amazing, all 7 songs (exept Candy Store Rock, that can be a bore sometimes), but that record was done entirely in 18 days, so it sounds very rushed (and Robert was in a cast because of his near fatal car accident a few months before the album was recorded.) Jimmy wasn't just one of rock's greatest guitarists in the studio, but also live. Thats prolly the one thing that made Zeppelin so great, was how explosive thier live shows were compared to thier studio work. HTTWW showcases the best of the band for sure. Heartbreaker, Since I've Been Loving You, Dazed and Confused, all the band showcased thier talent, especaily Jimmy.

But to answer your question, I think his less than perfect playing after Zep has to do with his struggle with heroin, but I'm not exactly sure when he had that addiction, I think it was late in Zeppelin. Another reason could be his musical chemistry wasnt as good with all three other members of Zeppelin. As Pink said, it has to do with alot of stuff, and thats all I can answer for now.

And yes, Zeppelin is my favorite band.

And the Who highly ranks with my list of favorite bands, but I am not as knowledgable of them as you and Lunch are.

/plays Who's Next :)

From what I've heard, Page was shooting up on heroin everyday. I've heard that by the end of their career, he would seem almost asleep on stage. Kind of like Keith Richards today. Like he was so deeply into drugs that he just didn't even seem alive anymore. It's sad what drugs can do. I would never touch heroin, so many musicians have suffered from it.

So yeah, The Who rock. I am definitely going to be seeing them in NY when they come here.

Yeah, the drugs are takin the toll now on every rock musician of the '70s who did them. But having just seen the Stones this August, Richards wasnt dozing like you think he would be. He actually played well and rocked.

I gotta check out dates when the Who are coming around Detroit. Although I'd be boarderlined on going. Half the original members are alive, and Rogers voice isn't what it used to be....

Nonetheless, it would be awesome to go.