200 watts might be alright just for vocals at small gigs.

[QUOTE=moaner]200w is maybe not so much as you might think.[/QUOTE]
200w maybe more than you might think.

[QUOTE=isojoe420]200w maybe more than you might think.[/QUOTE]

doubtful...200w isnt much for a pa system.

200w is louder than it seems written down.

[QUOTE=devildriver421]doubtful...200w isnt much for a pa system.[/QUOTE]
Like I said, 200w is more than YOU think.

200w is perfect i have a 150 watt its fine for practices

[QUOTE=airborne50caliber]200w is louder than it seems written down.[/QUOTE]

yes.

However, when it comes to actual gigging over the volume of a crowd, it doesn't go as far as you might think from use at a practice.

I'm thinking of upgrading from my Kustom System to [url=http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=live/s=packaged/search/detail/base_pid/630119/]this[/url] one. Anyone had any experience with it?

Hey guys I'm sick of looking for a PA so I'll ask for help. What do you think is the best PA for just practice. Thats all we need it for. Well, possibly a show but just like small ones in a basement. Thanks alot.

[QUOTE=Horenulas]Hey guys I'm sick of looking for a PA so I'll ask for help. What do you think is the best PA for just practice. Thats all we need it for. Well, possibly a show but just like small ones in a basement. Thanks alot.[/QUOTE]
Go for one of those Peavey, Yamaha or Behringer packaged systems. 2x300 watts should be great.

i might seem idiot o aks that...but what does pa means? :confused:

[QUOTE=volcom437b]i might seem idiot o aks that...but what does pa means? :confused:[/QUOTE]
Public Address

or pro audio

[QUOTE=isojoe420]Like I said, 200w is more than YOU think.[/QUOTE]

no its not. It might be pretty loud when alone, but put it next to a half stack, bass stack, and drumset, plus the crowd.....not so much. Our band has an 80w for practices, and it's hardly any louder than our back-up singer's thrash voice. So 200w really isn't all that much, maybe enough for practices, but nothing more

[QUOTE=devildriver421]or pro audio[/QUOTE]
No, PUBLIC ADDRESS!!!

[QUOTE=devildriver421]no its not. It might be pretty loud when alone, but put it next to a half stack, bass stack, and drumset, plus the crowd.....not so much. Our band has an 80w for practices, and it's hardly any louder than our back-up singer's thrash voice. So 200w really isn't all that much, maybe enough for practices, but nothing more[/QUOTE]
Works for me!

unpowered speakers?
 

just a quick question. what's the difference between a powered speaker and an unpowered speaker?

also my band has just a little over 200 dollars to spend. what is the best pa we could get for that much? we already have mics and stands and stuff cuz we had a borrowed one that we were using but not anymore. it would be competing with an electric guitar, bass, and drums.

Powered speakers have their own built in poweramps. You can run a line level signal into these and they'll amplfyit themselves. They are pretty much self contained.

Unpowered (or passive) speakers are pretty much just a speaker in a box. You will need a poweramp in order to run them.

PAs are unfortunately quite expensive. And although you may be able to grab one for a couple of hundred bucks it may not be too good. You could just grab a little practise PA that'll be great for no more than a house-party sized gig. But if you want a more serious setup then I'd suggest you save your money and go for something a little bigger and better.

so if i just got a pa system with like an 80 watt mixer would there be a limit to the number of speakers i could hook up to it?

[QUOTE=ALL15000]so if i just got a pa system with like an 80 watt mixer would there be a limit to the number of speakers i could hook up to it?[/QUOTE]
For such a low wattage mixer, I don't see a point in doing that.

PA comparison
 

i just got some money so now were looking into some other ones. im not sure which one is better. take a look at these. [URL=http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/fg=142/g=home/search/detail/base_pid/630400/c_lv=1/]Nady RPA-6 Portable PA System[/URL] or [URL=http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/fg=142/g=live/search/detail/base_pid/630542/c_lv=1/]Kustom PA KPA7212 200W 7-Channel PA System[/URL]

is this worth it

[url]http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/fg=142/g=home/search/detail/base_pid/631254/[/url]

and we have better mics already than what come with that.

[QUOTE=ALL15000]i just got some money so now were looking into some other ones. im not sure which one is better. take a look at these. [URL=http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/fg=142/g=home/search/detail/base_pid/630400/c_lv=1/]Nady RPA-6 Portable PA System[/URL] or [URL=http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/fg=142/g=live/search/detail/base_pid/630542/c_lv=1/]Kustom PA KPA7212 200W 7-Channel PA System[/URL][/QUOTE]
Definately go with the Kustom.

i was also looking at that Kustom, is it better for the money than the Behringer i was looking at.

No, that Behringer is better.

for the money or should i not even bother with the kustom if i can get the behringer

[QUOTE=ThePinkPanther]for the money or should i not even bother with the kustom if i can get the behringer[/QUOTE]
Exactly. If you can afford the Behringer, go with that one. You might be sorry later if you go with the Kustom.

well then, time for a couple months more saving or for my bands cd to get finished and for it to sell

In buying PA gear, I've learned the hard way too many times on going with something that is cheaper. It looks good at the time, but you'll learn the hard way when you realize that it's underpowered, doesn't have enough channels, cheap quality, etc. Don't impulse buy! SAVE UP YOUR MONEY!!! You'll be glad you did.

Hey my band is about to get a 300+300 watt powered mixer but unfortounatly were short on cash for speakers.... so is it possible to only run one speaker out of the mixer or will that do some damage?

thanks

[QUOTE=Chrisman69]Hey my band is about to get a 300+300 watt powered mixer but unfortounatly were short on cash for speakers.... so is it possible to only run one speaker out of the mixer or will that do some damage?

thanks[/QUOTE]
If the amp is rated to pump out 2 x 300 watts while at 4 ohms. And If you can [I]Bridge[/I] the amp. Then you can run one single 8 ohm 600 watt speaker off the bridged output if you wish.
But you'll only be able to do this if everything I said above were true.
Otherwise, no, just wait till you can afford to get both speakers at once.

alrite thanks man. but a few more questions :)

1) what does it mean if a speaker is 200 watts program and 400 watts peak?

2) the mixer we plan on buying only has 6 inputs and we need 5 inputs for vocals/guitar/bass so that only leaves 1 input for drums wich would be kind of hard to work with. so would it be possible to run a smaller mixer into our main mixer? like use the 6th input on our main mixer to run a small 4 input mixer to mic the drums with?

so it would be all

vocal1-------------------------------> 1st input
vocal2-------------------------------> 2ns input
guitar1------------------------------> 3rd input
guitar2------------------------------> 4th input
Bass--------------------------------> 5th input
Drums---------small mixer-----------> 6th input

thanks

1) Peak power handeling is the absolute maximum the speaker will be able to handle before damage. Similarly, an amplifier may have a peak power output.
Just bare in mind that this is differnt to an amplifiers RMS power output.
Which in term is similar to a speakers program power rating, or pretty much the maximum average power a speaker will be able to dissipate while reproducing general full range audio (actual music).

When speaker and amplifier shopping. It is the RMS or the Program power ratings that you want to pay attention to the most.

2). Yeah. That'll be fine.

alite. so 200 watt program/400 watt peak speakers would not work with a 300x2 power amp? wierd cuz these speakers were freekin huge

If those speakers were rated as [I]8 ohm speakers[/I] and the amp is rated to pump out (2x) 300 watts [I]while at 4 ohms[/I]. Then it will be okay to run these speakers off our amp.
Because of the extra ohm load that the speakers will have on the amp, the power output of the amp will not be 300 watts, it may be reduced down to around 200 watts (or so). And it will therefore be okay to run those speakers off it.

If you are able to use a little common sense, you can try this to get the most out of small PA setups. if say my speakers are 500w peaks and 250W RMS, then I would get a rated 600-700W amp to drive it, and run the amp about lower-mid power.

You can do this because an amp clipping (from not having any headroom) will trash your speakers much faster than a LITTLE too much power. So by holding the amp back, as your music gets louder, your amp can keep up, instead of clipping.

Well I have a question:

[url]http://www.music123.com/Kustom-KPA7212-7-Channel-PA-System-i106475.music[/url]

I just bought the Kustom KPA7212. It arrived at my band mate's house 2 days ago. He hooked it up and everything worked great. Then today we had it working at his house, and we decided to bring it over to my house where we practice. We hooked it all up and stuff, and turned it on. Then we had no sound and I realize the "Channel On" light isn't on, but the Main power light is on. It makes me made because the only power switch on the mixer is the main power. There is no channel power button. I don't really no what to do. I've tried plugging it in to different outlets to no success. I'm just really ticked off because I have practice tomorrow morning, it's 2 am, and my PA doesn't work. So if you guys have any ideas let me know. Thanks a lot in advance.

[QUOTE=Horenulas]Well I have a question:

[url]http://www.music123.com/Kustom-KPA7212-7-Channel-PA-System-i106475.music[/url]

I just bought the Kustom KPA7212. It arrived at my band mate's house 2 days ago. He hooked it up and everything worked great. Then today we had it working at his house, and we decided to bring it over to my house where we practice. We hooked it all up and stuff, and turned it on. Then we had no sound and I realize the "Channel On" light isn't on, but the Main power light is on. It makes me made because the only power switch on the mixer is the main power. There is no channel power button. I don't really no what to do. I've tried plugging it in to different outlets to no success. I'm just really ticked off because I have practice tomorrow morning, it's 2 am, and my PA doesn't work. So if you guys have any ideas let me know. Thanks a lot in advance.[/QUOTE]
That really sucks mate. Sorry I can't be of much help. Because I'm unfamiliar with those particular powered mixers.
But I just want to make sure that you did have the speakers plugged in properly, and that you've checked to see if the fuses have not blown.

You may have to take it to a tech.

[QUOTE=Aes820]That really sucks mate. Sorry I can't be of much help. Because I'm unfamiliar with those particular powered mixers.
But I just want to make sure that you did have the speakers plugged in properly, and that you've checked to see if the fuses have not blown.

You may have to take it to a tech.[/QUOTE]


How can I check to see if the fuses haven't blown? Do you think this could be the cause of a channel disfunction even when the power says on? Thanks for the help.

That's what I'm kind of confused about. Usually if a fuse has blown then the amp shouldn't even turn on at all. The main power light won't switch on.

Have you tried plugging your mic into a different input on the PA. Or are all chanels not working?

If you turn up the volume of the PA can you hear a slight buzz noise out of the speakers, or are they completely silent?

Sorry, but you may need to have a talk to a tech.