[quote=Convectuoso;18286955]I can't tell if you're fucking with me, so I'll assume you aren't congratulate on your new better sounding pair of cans :naughty:[/quote]
nah bro i actually did it. took like 5 minutes and they sound a bit better

how can you mix in a room that wasn't made for mixing?

Room architecture is rarely something you have one iota of control over.


...?

a bad workman blames his tools.

Good (not me, yet lol) mixing engineers can work in poor rooms with poor speakers, if they know that room/monitor pair well. They can compensate.

it's about knowing what works best for you. Look at Joey Sturgis. but even with what he's using, he still uses a well treated room. Perception of sound makes all the difference in the realm of audio engineering. Good engineers CAN work with a familiar set of speakers, but if you're not hearing shit that you should be hearing how are you supposed to work with it?

Many great engineers know, say, a pair of headphones [I]so well[/I] that they can mix a record brilliantly on them. They won't be able to get the bottom two octaves because, obviously, the drivers in headphones are capable of producing them accurately. But if they know those headphones well, they'll be able to work with their system and they can effectively mix deaf. Beethoven was pretty mint at that :p

But all this is beside the point. Why make it difficult for yourself? Earn some money, treat your room and buy some £500+ monitors (you generally get what you pay for with monitors, imo. Although KRK Rokit8s are alright) with a cone of at least 8", job's a good un!

Show us these engineers that mix in headphones only?

Lol mate you don't always have to be a tit and call people out.

Even though I had moved on from the point and encouraged people to actually just sort their room/monitors, i.e. the biggest fucking cliché in music production, I have to wonder, at what point did I say they [I]only[/I] mix on headphones? I said there are great engineers who can mix on headphones that they know well. As in, I've spoke to engineers who have engineered great sounding music, working mainly on headphones (because of certain limitations), but, of course, they checked their mixes back on as many different playback systems as possible to ensure their compensation was accurate.

If you deem great = success, then you'd be wrong. Greatness is as much kinetic as potential. So whilst I'm not gonna be like 'oh hey guys I spoke with Parsons/Visconti the other day, they only mix on cans now', I do know of engineers who might not be 'famous' but have produced some pretty awesome mixes; their greatness is still to bubble over the surface.

Finally, I'm an engineer (technically). Because of financial and 'spatial' limitations, I have mixed solely on headphones in the past (checking my mixes on other systems as I go). So I guess I fit your description :p

I mix on headphones, and my mum thinks im great........:(

:lol:

p.s. do want!
[url]http://www.dv247.com/computer-music-software/lexicon-pcm-native-reverb-plug-in-bundle--68943[/url]

not a bad reverb, i still say altiverb is the best though

The IK CSR suite is down to £75 (50% off), gonna grab that for the time being.

yeah they're legit, totally worth what little you would pay for it. altiverb/ ir-1/ lexicon it's all kinda personal preference at that point

Yeah definitely. Check these out and tell me - without trying to work out which reverb is which or trying to find the source page to find out - which one do you think sounds the best:

[url]http://emusician.com/web_clips/IK_Multimedia_CSR_WC01.mp3[/url]
[url]http://emusician.com/web_clips/IK_Multimedia_CSR_WC02.mp3[/url]
[url]http://emusician.com/web_clips/IK_Multimedia_CSR_WC03.mp3[/url]
[url]http://emusician.com/web_clips/IK_Multimedia_CSR_WC04.mp3[/url]
[url]http://emusician.com/web_clips/IK_Multimedia_CSR_WC05.mp3[/url]
[url]http://emusician.com/web_clips/IK_Multimedia_CSR_WC06.mp3[/url]

one and four seem to be a good balance of wet/ dry signal, are you bussing and reverbing? or just throwing the verb plug on the track?

They're not mine mate, they're from a review on the CSR suite.

I thought, of them all, the first one was the best followed by the third, but only because the wet/dry balance was completely unmatched on all the others. So whilst it's not exactly a fair test, here's the matchups:

1: CSR reverb.
2: Lexicon PCM80 reverb.
3: Kurzweil KSP-8 reverb.
4: Universal Audio DreamVerb reverb.
5: Audio Ease Altiverb 5 reverb.
6: Waves Renaissance Reverb.

yeah it's kinda pointless when they all have different settings :P

i'm tellin you man, torrent them and find out which one you want to buy

[quote=EmbraceRandom;18290758]Lol mate you don't always have to be a tit and call people out.

Even though I had moved on from the point and encouraged people to actually just sort their room/monitors, i.e. the biggest fucking cliché in music production, I have to wonder, at what point did I say they [I]only[/I] mix on headphones? I said there are great engineers who can mix on headphones that they know well. As in, I've spoke to engineers who have engineered great sounding music, working mainly on headphones (because of certain limitations), but, of course, they checked their mixes back on as many different playback systems as possible to ensure their compensation was accurate.

If you deem great = success, then you'd be wrong. Greatness is as much kinetic as potential. So whilst I'm not gonna be like 'oh hey guys I spoke with Parsons/Visconti the other day, they only mix on cans now', I do know of engineers who might not be 'famous' but have produced some pretty awesome mixes; their greatness is still to bubble over the surface.

Finally, I'm an engineer (technically). Because of financial and 'spatial' limitations, I have mixed solely on headphones in the past (checking my mixes on other systems as I go). So I guess I fit your description :p[/quote]
Didn't mean to seem like I was calling you out brah, was actually just curious.

The only engineer...well musician even...that I've heard get amazing results and I know mixed on headphones is Sufjan Stevens.

But he defies a lot of engineering laws because he simply is amazingly talented.

[quote=EmbraceRandom;18291085]They're not mine mate, they're from a review on the CSR suite.

I thought, of them all, the first one was the best followed by the third, but only because the wet/dry balance was completely unmatched on all the others. So whilst it's not exactly a fair test, here's the matchups:

1: CSR reverb.
2: Lexicon PCM80 reverb.
3: Kurzweil KSP-8 reverb.
4: Universal Audio DreamVerb reverb.
5: Audio Ease Altiverb 5 reverb.
6: Waves Renaissance Reverb.[/quote]
P.s. you couldn't use the UA Dream verb with out one of their cards I'm pretty sure

[QUOTE=Xomblies;18291211]yeah it's kinda pointless when they all have different settings :P

i'm tellin you man, torrent them and find out which one you want to buy[/QUOTE]
Aye I know, I was quite surprised that a music magazine/website would be that thoughtless. It seems like they just whacked the reverb on the channel without trying to get them to at least the same mix level.
And I told you man, I don't do that :p I'll just make do with the CSR suite for now, it's miles better than the native PT verbs. Although I've got TL Space as well which is quite good, especially if you download IRs for it. CPU-heavy though...

[QUOTE=Convectuoso;18291773]P.s. you couldn't use the UA Dream verb with out one of their cards I'm pretty sure[/QUOTE]
Nonetheless, this is true. UA stuff looks incredible but it's also incredibly expensive, generally speaking.

[QUOTE=Convectuoso;18291757]Didn't mean to seem like I was calling you out brah, was actually just curious.

The only engineer...well musician even...that I've heard get amazing results and I know mixed on headphones is Sufjan Stevens.

But he defies a lot of engineering laws because he simply is amazingly talented.[/QUOTE]
Ah right, my bad man. Not heard Sufjan's stuff but I'll check it out, wiki says he does some electronica stuff? I've been listening to a bit of BT recently, Binary Universe is a pretty good album, the clarity is unreal

Nah Sufjan is not very electronic at all.

Mostly real instruments, with real players, in real rooms.

I wouldn't call it indie per say, more like grandiose indie with superb arrangements.

The focus is usually on his voice, but he has some amazing players behind him.

[quote=Convectuoso;18292488]Nah Sufjan is not very electronic at all.

Mostly real instruments, with real players, in real rooms.

I wouldn't call it indie per say, more like grandiose indie with superb arrangements.

The focus is usually on his voice, but he has some amazing players behind him.[/quote]


The term I've heard used is "baroque pop."

Any tracks in particular I should check out?

Also, Katatonia - The Great Cold Distance. Awesome album mix. Jens Bogren is the man

Audacity
 

+1 Audacity

just fyi audacity sucks for serious recording

The only thing I ever found Audacity useful was for opening the Rockband multi tracks to make samples of the drums lol.

Otherwise it's a piece of crap.

You get what you pay for, I guess.
Although, saying that, I STILL haven't downloaded Reaper :-\ £25, what the fuck is wrong with me. I've just spent that on Zappa CDs.

But then I've been enjoying PT recently. I think PTLE8 + Mellowmuse ATA = winner.

Reaper <3

I take it you've got it then?
Pros/cons?
Just out of interest

Just get PT9 man, that mellow muse shit is a PITA.