[QUOTE=robo2448][B]*I was the original The Who By Numbers whore around here.[/B] Great album. I think my favorite song from it is How Many Friends. The live version of Dreaming From the Waist is much better than the studio version. I like Squeeze Box, but it's not an amazing song.

I don't have Facedances, but I've heard most of the songs and they're pretty good, but it's poppier than anything The Who did.[/QUOTE]
*coughs*.....coughs a little more* :p



I've never heard Face Dances as poppy. The production is spare, and it's not as, well, ok, it is a bit poppy. But the Who were never a stranger to pop, as much of pre Tommy era Who bears out well. Classics such as The Kids Are Alright, I'm a Boy, and I Can't Explain are among them.

Yea, we can't forget about their whole "Pop art" thing.

[QUOTE=Lunch]Yea, we can't forget about their whole "Pop art" thing.[/QUOTE]
Pete was practically married to it. He was an art student, as you know. Took it quite seriously. Led to the whole mod thing, too. I think the band has always been the better for it.

Hey guys, since you guys seem to know your stuff around here, can one of you please go to the Def Leppard thread and tell me if I'm doing anything wrong? I don't want to get into any trouble being so new, but my posting has come under fire there. I think I've expained myself pretty well and of course I don't expect some to be pleased with what I say, but I'm being told what I'm saying is inappropriate and wrong although it's no different then what some starred members have said. Can someone please explain this a little. Thanks.

I was actually going to post how funny it was that the Who fans were the ones saying how bad Def Leppard is.

Basically, I don't really see anything wrong with your posting. When John did a similar thing he doesn't get attacked for it because he has a high postcount and stars. People figure that since you just joined and have 22 posts that you don't know anything and are just being a douche for the hell of it. Clearly, that is not you.

In the future, I just wouldn't go into threads and make statements like "Worst rock band ever", because as you've seen, people get angry over that. Even if you do justify it. I find it's better just to leave it alone.

^^I'm 100% with Lunch on this one. As would most others be.

I'm not going to bring this sort of thing into this thread, but I can tell you your posting is not wrong or inappropriate in that thread. In this one it would not be tolerated and it would be pointless, but in that thread it is fine. Your explanations were also reasonable. I wouldn't of even done that much.

This is the way MX goes with new people. It'll stop after awhile. Don't worry about it and keep posting.

[QUOTE=baba 'O bubba]Hey guys, since you guys seem to know your stuff around here, can one of you please go to the Def Leppard thread and tell me if I'm doing anything wrong? I don't want to get into any trouble being so new, but my posting has come under fire there. I think I've expained myself pretty well and of course I don't expect some to be pleased with what I say, but I'm being told what I'm saying is inappropriate and wrong although it's no different then what some starred members have said. Can someone please explain this a little. Thanks.[/QUOTE]

All I can say to you man is just be humble about everything. I'm about as new as you, so... just take it easy man...

^^This is also sound advice. Just to make things more comfortable at first. We've all gone through it. :rolleyes:

It's kind of like an initiation ritual. You have to earn your respect around these parts.

Back to the pop art thing, I was never really big into the idea (but he's Pete Townshend and can do anything he wants, so I don't have much beef here), but I don't feel that their music at the time reflected the "pop art" concept. Maybe at the time it did but when you look back on it just because they were releasing 3-minute songs doesn't mean it was all radio pop. Even on A Quick One, the songs are far from what I think of as 60's pop. The Sell Out album was the final mocking of the radio song idea (though also a tribute to the pirate radio in Britian).

^^Well yeah, musically speaking the Who were never a pop band. They were always a rock band. It's just that it had been mentioned that Face Dances was "too pop" and that took me back a bit. Because pop has always been a thing they have done to one extent or other.

And you are right, I don't think Pete's art leanings influenced the Who's music very much. Or that the music conveyed a pop art concept. But I feel it lent the band a style and image that has served it well. It somehow set them apart from the average rock band and helped them become an above average rock band at the time. Or at least give them the air of one. Let's not forget the fashion and style that was so important to them at the time. Yes it was common mod, but the Who made more out of it. Got creative with it. Carved out there own niche with it. And I think they were and stil are somewhat different (in a good way) because of it. And it's Pete's time spent in art scholl that made this possible, IMO.

Yea the fashion was definitely key, because as you said it gave the Who a stronger identity. And the "pop art" idea definitely didn't have a negative effect on the group.

Thanks for the advice, guys. I'll take it until I'm a little more common around here.

It's nice this thread is here. As a hardcore Who fan I should know better then clicking on anytihng that says Def Leppard, anyway.

And yes, they were stylish lads, weren't they? (The Who, I mean).

[QUOTE=baba 'O bubba]And yes, they were stylish lads, weren't they? (The Who, I mean).[/QUOTE]

Ha, yea, during this whole conversation I've been thinking about Pete in his British Flag blazer.

[QUOTE=JohnXDoe]*coughs*.....coughs a little more* :p



I've never heard Face Dances as poppy. The production is spare, and it's not as, well, ok, it is a bit poppy. But the Who were never a stranger to pop, as much of pre Tommy era Who bears out well. Classics such as The Kids Are Alright, I'm a Boy, and I Can't Explain are among them.[/QUOTE]


*coughs* join date *coughs a little more*:p

I remember way back when this thread started, I was calling it The Who By the Numbers and you corrected me:p Always thought there was a "the" there for some reason.

Well yeah the Who never strayed that far from pop, and a lot of The Who Sell Out is psychadelic pop but Face Dances is a different sound compared to the arena rock sound they had developed in previous albums. From what I've heard from it, Facedances is better than the albums right before and after it (Who Are You and It's Hard).

And Def Leppard blows.

It's good to see some new intelligent users joining recently. We had a little bit of a dry spell.

Edit- 3000th post. w00t. Party:chug:

It would be great to keep this Who thread active.

[QUOTE=Lunch]Ha, yea, during this whole conversation I've been thinking about Pete in his British Flag blazer.[/QUOTE]
Yes! And look at [URL="http://img496.imageshack.us/img496/650/6e764yy.jpg"]this[/URL] pic.

Quite the sharply dressed young lads. Oh, and I've just been called a troll in the Def Leppard thread by the TS. I'm not going to respond and just move on. It's silly.

[QUOTE=baba 'O bubba]Yes! And look at [URL="http://img496.imageshack.us/img496/650/6e764yy.jpg"]this[/URL] pic.

Quite the sharply dressed young lads. Oh, and I've just been called a troll in the Def Leppard thread by the TS. I'm not going to respond and just move on. It's silly.[/QUOTE]

It looks like Pete sole John's shirt:p

Yea, don't respond, it's just a Def Leppard thread anyway. Nothing important.

[QUOTE=robo2448]*coughs* join date *coughs a little more*:p

I remember way back when this thread started, I was calling it The Who By the Numbers and you corrected me:p Always thought there was a "the" there for some reason.

Well yeah the Who never strayed that far from pop, and a lot of The Who Sell Out is psychadelic pop but Face Dances is a different sound compared to the arena rock sound they had developed in previous albums. From what I've heard from it, Facedances is better than the albums right before and after it (Who Are You and It's Hard).

And Def Leppard blows.

It's good to see some new intelligent users joining recently. We had a little bit of a dry spell.

Edit- 3000th post. w00t. Party:chug:[/QUOTE]
Hey, nice going on 3000. I also posted my 5000th here. This thread really has been the highlight for me since coming to MX.

And you are dead on when you say Face Dances is better then the albums which came before and after it. Although for the real deal, pick up Townshends solo albums of the same period. Empty Glass and All The Best Cowboys Have Chinese Eyes, respectively. I may feel a sputnik review coming on for one of those....
[QUOTE=Lunch]It would be great to keep this Who thread active.[/QUOTE]
I think it's always done well, Lunch. And you hold down the fort and keep it respected and respectable. Kudos for that.

I've always counted on you to keep it alive, which you've done, obviously.

I really should actually own Face Dances.

[QUOTE=Lunch]I've always counted on you to keep it alive, which you've done, obviously.

I really should actually own Face Dances.[/QUOTE]
Ah, thanks man. I do it out of the love for this band. And although it can get slow at times, it always comes back around. And with exciting new Who stuff going on this year, I'm sure we will see more discussion and perhaps even some healthy debate.

And yes, Face Dances is worth owning. For "Another Tricky Day" alone. John also has a couple of nice contributions, and to tell you the truth it's not a bad album at all. It's actually good. In an okay sort of way. I'm sure you have heard it. Different for The Who at the time, and that might throw some people off. But all in all a good effort and listen. Although a couple of songs are dead clunkers.

[QUOTE=baba 'O bubba]And yes, they were stylish lads, weren't they? (The Who, I mean).[/QUOTE]
Being stylish and up to date was a very important was a very important part of being a mod. They were cast out if they didn't have the latest fashions.

I really can't wait for their tour this year. I wish they would release the dates.

[QUOTE=Lunch]I really can't wait for their tour this year. I wish they would release the dates.[/QUOTE]

I know, this year has a bunch of great tours happening. They were great at Live 8, and so my hopes are sky high.

I think they will be better then they have been recently. Not that they haven't been fantastic. But the death of John took something out of them on the tour following it and although they have played some great gigs since then, even a player like Pino Palladino has to settle in.

That said, they will never be quite the same band live with Keith [I]and[/I] John gone, but they are still a great live band. And if you have read what I've posted recently or have read Pete's diary at his site, it sounds like they have some interesting things planned for the shows. He is being vague about what that is, but at the age he and Roger are at they can use a bit of help, I think. They have the band to back them, know I think they can go for a bit of presentation.

I know except for lasars in the seventies the Who have always had a stripped down live show. Pretty much no frills. Save for their live Tommy and Quad tours. Those were different altogether. But I think a bit of a light show and maybe some generous onstage screens and effects might be in order for the upcoming tour. Something to raise the drama level. The Who were always known for being naturally dramatic in song and performance. But time past and the death of a couple of members have taken some of that drama away. They are a different band, somewhat. So I think a somewhat different live approach is in order.

Lately it's been stripped down and basic. Which is great. But with new stuff in the works (not just music, according to Pete. And perhaps even letting fans record bootleg audio/video of the gigs) it would seem a great opportunity to sort of do something a little creative onstage so far as presentation. What do you guys think?

I think that would be a good idea, especially if I was at the show.

^Yeah....with your BOOK. :angry:

[QUOTE=JohnXDoe]^Yeah....with your BOOK. :angry:[/QUOTE]

Nah, it's so huge that I probably couldn't fit it in the car, much less carry it around.

They completely owned at Live 8. Even without John and Keith, I'll pay a lot to see them live. I can't wait until the tickets go on sale, which won't be for a while. Nobody can replace John and Keith but Pino and Zak are very talented players and do a good job.

[QUOTE=Lunch]I really can't wait for their tour this year. I wish they would release the dates.[/QUOTE]

Oh I know ever since I heard I've been pumped. Though John and Keith will be GREATLY missed I'm sure they can pull it off. Daltrey still has his voice (for a man of his age). Today in the paper there was an artical where Pete Townsend said to be careful while listening to ipods because with their loud volume they can damage your ears like his are. He said his are so bad he has to take 36 hour breaks between recording sessions or his ears will hurt too much. I guess being the worlds loudest sound has its drawbacks

The Who? Yup, they suck!