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jpj 11-11-2004 12:43 PM

[QUOTE=rock not roll]Hehe, there's so many of them.


I asked one what their favorite song by them way (he said Heartbreaker, a pretty well known hard rock song by them) then I said that mine was Smoke On The Water and he agreed that it was one of Zeppelin's best :rolleyes:


:smash:


Same goes with Pink Floyd. The Dark Side Of The Moon shirts are out of control.[/QUOTE]
:lol:

There a ton of people with DSOTM shirts at my school, but I'm the only one with Animals :cool:

-Listy- 11-11-2004 02:08 PM

This is pissing me off, im the only one at my school who likes pink floyd, rest of my friends refer to them as 'hippy junkies' etc,
they have only heard another brick in the wall, you think Led Zep fanboys are bad where you live?, we have many arguements about that here, oh well its their loss if they wanna miss out on some of the best music ever made :lol: fools, they have no idea about good music

Woodstock 11-11-2004 02:29 PM

[QUOTE=jpjrulestheworld]:lol:

There a ton of people with DSOTM shirts at my school, but I'm the only one with Animals :cool:[/QUOTE]
I still wear my DSOTM shirt, and when somebody asks me my favorite song from it, I say a song from a different album and they agree with me.

One day I even walked pass this girl, me wearing the shirt, and she said, "Why are you wearing a science shirt?"

jpj 11-11-2004 02:32 PM

A science shirt :confused:

I don't think I like this girl :mad:

Otherside 11-11-2004 03:42 PM

I'm getting this floyd shirt soon, I think its pretty cool. I mainly like it because it's not the same other one everyone else has.
[url]http://infinity1.com/%5CImages%5CTSHIRT%5C43593b.jpg[/url] <== front

[url]http://infinity1.com/%5CImages%5CTSHIRT%5C43593b.jpg[/url] <== back

Gnarmageddon 11-11-2004 03:50 PM

I watched the Wall like two weeks ago and it was...interesting...

I found myself watching it again later that night

DeusExMachina 11-11-2004 03:53 PM

The Wall is totally awesome.

I've got a really rad WYWH shirt. Its tye-dye, got the diver on the front, and on the back it says Wish You Were Here. Totally rad. People are all confused by it.

Gnarmageddon 11-11-2004 03:54 PM

I about puked when Pink like lops his nipple off when he's shaving all his hair


(shudder)

Woodstock 11-11-2004 03:54 PM

[QUOTE=Otherside]I'm getting this floyd shirt soon, I think its pretty cool. I mainly like it because it's not the same other one everyone else has.
[url]http://infinity1.com/%5CImages%5CTSHIRT%5C43593b.jpg[/url] <== front

[url]http://infinity1.com/%5CImages%5CTSHIRT%5C43593b.jpg[/url] <== back[/QUOTE]
People will keep making you turn around all the time.

My DSOTM is a little different then everybody elses, but I dont really care.

DeusExMachina 11-11-2004 04:12 PM

Man, I gotta try that Smoke on the Water thing... funny stuff.

PurpleHazer76 11-11-2004 04:17 PM

amen to that...........

Otherside 11-11-2004 04:21 PM

Oops.. posted the same link twice :o

[url]http://infinity1.com/ppic.asp?1=43593[/url]

But you're right, people will probably make me turn around alot :\

DeusExMachina 11-11-2004 07:47 PM

Thats a pretty cool shirt. I wonder if there's a shirt with the PULSE design on it...

Otherside 11-11-2004 08:40 PM

[url]http://infinity1.com/ppic.asp?1=32397[/url]


That one?

DeusExMachina 11-11-2004 08:45 PM

No, the cover from the PULSE live album, from 1994.

Riva 11-11-2004 10:49 PM

Ok, I finally found out what you guys meant by Ummagumma being half studio and half live. You're talking about the re-released CD, hey? Yeah, I only have it on tape, but I saw the 2 CD set in my local music store. Considering picking it up, seeing as I would like to get it ripped to my comp, and the tapes are getting older and older.

BludgeonySteve 11-11-2004 11:37 PM

[QUOTE=DeusExMachina]Man, I gotta try that Smoke on the Water thing... funny stuff.[/QUOTE]

Or try it with a really obvious song.

I bet I could be like "so my favrite song of Wish You Were Here is Stairway To Heaven" and some braindead idiot will agree that it's the best on the album.

Riva 11-11-2004 11:40 PM

OMGZ, Houses Of The Holy is the BEST Pink Floyd album!!!!!!!1one

Permanent Solution 11-12-2004 01:02 AM

No! In the out door, totally...n00b! :p

Cain 11-12-2004 01:15 AM

People seem to think that "The Wall" movie is too weird and doesn't make any sense, but I loved it. The whole movie gave off this totally creepy, insane aura, and the animations are just terrifying. I thought it was brilliant. Why do so many people seem to think it doesn't make any sense? Every moment made sense to me...except maybe Pink turning into Hitler.(Or maybe that's Roger Waters acknowledging privately the ridiculous amount of control he had obtained over Floyd's artistic direction at the time? Could be...could be...)

And jesus, zepfan...I've been here a month longer and you've got about a bajillion more posts and a handful of stars. What gives? I wanna be cool... :upset: You are one awesome poster, man. I don't know how you do it.

Permanent Solution 11-12-2004 01:23 AM

[QUOTE=Ripper22]
And jesus, zepfan...I've been here a month longer and you've got about a bajillion more posts and a handful of stars. What gives? I wanna be cool... :upset: You are one awesome poster, man. I don't know how you do it.[/QUOTE]
:bows:
I just spend time here whilst "doing homework" (meaning I accomplish little in reality). 50 ppd is not really an achievement lol. I shouldn't have stars yet, but DBJ is the man :thumb: (Rep++ for sucking up lol)

I really liked the wall movie though. My friends and I analyzed it and came to the conclusion that the only part that made no sense was the ending because it was too ambiguous. Are the children gathering the bricks to rebuild the wall, or to eliminate its existence? This has bearing on the whole movie message to boot :-/

~The*Lemon*Song~ 11-12-2004 01:32 AM

In through the outdoor, hah, NO one talks about that album...poor Zep :(

Yes, that movie was quite intresting, I seem to have not been mentaly aware of what was going on each time I watched it (or of anything else for that matter). I plan to watch it again, and this time pay more attention. I don't want it to spoil my image of what I already have of The Wall. When you listen to that album the first time, you get your story (or, it's like that with me anyways) and it sticks with you, I don't want to watch the movie, and then everytime I listen to the album, instead of my version, I'll have the movie version, which would suck if I ended up not liking it.

~The*Lemon*Song~ 11-12-2004 01:33 AM

...if any of what I just said made sense :rolleyes:

Cain 11-12-2004 01:50 AM

[QUOTE=zeppelinfan2k3]:bows:
I just spend time here whilst "doing homework" (meaning I accomplish little in reality). 50 ppd is not really an achievement lol. I shouldn't have stars yet, but DBJ is the man :thumb: (Rep++ for sucking up lol)

I really liked the wall movie though. My friends and I analyzed it and came to the conclusion that the only part that made no sense was the ending because it was too ambiguous. Are the children gathering the bricks to rebuild the wall, or to eliminate its existence? This has bearing on the whole movie message to boot :-/[/QUOTE]

Good point. A good thing to keep in mind is probably the lurking presence of World War II and its history within the Floyd concept album universe. Waters moved backwards in history as far as his concepts go, tackling everyday people and their insecurities with Dark Side of The Moon, the tensions with Syd Barrett and the record company's control over creative output in Wish You Were Here, a pessimistic commentary on Communism, capitalism, and punk with "Animals," and finally Waters' father's death in World War II when he was in the British Army in "The Wall." The first animation sequence's eagle is clearly an eagle in the the Nazi mold, and there is a huge complement of war scenes at the beginning of the film. Pink is constantly watching the same war movie over and over in his hotel room. As a child, Pink is seen taking out his father's uniform and medals and putting them on. Pink is clearly fatherless as well, and this adds up to Pink's father dying in the war, just like Waters' did in real life.

When Pink turns into a Nazi-modeled dictator, like Hitler, with an army of mindless, skinheaded thugs dressed vaguely like SS members, this whole idea becomes less clear. Personally, I think an acknowledgement of Waters' hypocrisy in speaking against the dictatorship of our human desires while he was, in effect, becoming the dictator-in-chief of Pink Floyd itself is very subtly woven into this sequence. Pink's defeat is, to me, Waters' apology to Pink Floyd for usurping the band's creative input in order to fulfill his private magnum opuses.(Keep in mind also that the movie was made in '82, after Pink Floyd's creative disintigration. The lyrics that are used as a backdrop for the Pink Hitler sequence may have had a far more normal "insane rockstar" connotation within the context of the album, but in the movie, Waters may have decided to use it as a more meaningful, complicated scenario). The next album Floyd released, "The Final Cut," deals with the death of Waters' father in more detail, and the World War II imagery does not let up for a moment. Even the atmosphere of the Trial sequence makes me feel like Pink is being tried for some sort of war crime rather than adultery and insanity.

With all this in mind, and accepting that World War II and the death of Waters' father were major factors in how the eventual movie turned out, the final sequence seems to be Pink's healing of the damage caused by the Wall. The children in the scene are dressed in older-fashioned clothes, so historically this would seem to indicate Pink, once again as a child, assisting in the clean-up of town after a German air raid. So it is, in effect, Pink Floyd cleaning up the rubble that was made of his mind by the toppling of the wall and accepting his anguish at the death of his father, and clearing his mental avenues for a fresh, healthy beginning.

~The*Lemon*Song~ 11-12-2004 02:15 AM

Good interpretation. The album itself seems to compare their fame more than the film, they see themselves becoming objects, instead of doing what they wanted to do, just play...but now they would become brainwashed with greed rather than make music.

Wasn't Waters really little when his father died?

~The*Lemon*Song~ 11-12-2004 02:17 AM

In short, it can be described like this;

The Wall: The story of Roger Waters

so maybe despite all his best efforts of trying to apologize to the band for seeming to lead them all the time, he just released an album about himself. MY, What a wonderful guy. He must be fun to work with.

Cain 11-12-2004 02:22 AM

[QUOTE=~The*Lemon*Song~]Good interpretation. The album itself seems to compare their fame more than the film, they see themselves becoming objects, instead of doing what they wanted to do, just play...but now they would become brainwashed with greed rather than make music.

Wasn't Waters really little when his father died?[/QUOTE]

Yeah, he was born in '44, a year before the war ended. I assume the anguish comes from the pain of growing up in war-torn, famished Great Britain without a father and never knowing who he was, rather than the loss that would have been if Waters had known him. Personally, I think that never having such an important figure in your life is more traumatizing than having your father taken from you by circumstance. I believe that Waters felt very deep anguish over it, despite the fact that he was very young when the actual loss occured.

Cain 11-12-2004 02:25 AM

[QUOTE=~The*Lemon*Song~]In short, it can be described like this;

The Wall: The story of Roger Waters

so maybe despite all his best efforts of trying to apologize to the band for seeming to lead them all the time, he just released an album about himself. MY, What a wonderful guy. He must be fun to work with.[/QUOTE]

Well, David Gilmour still won't say what his current opinion on Waters is in interviews. Just to give an idea.

You raise a good point here, but in my opinion, the album and the movie exist on two somewhat different planes. The album is very much an anti-rock star story, whereas the movie, which was released years later, is more in line with Waters' current focus on the lack of his father circa the early Eighties. Therefore, an apology for his hypocrisy with Floyd within the movie, even when it came to the album itself, is still a plausible possibility.

~The*Lemon*Song~ 11-12-2004 02:26 AM

Hmm, perhaps that explains why he's so...unfriendly?

Page was born in 1944- and look how fine he turned out. :D

~The*Lemon*Song~ 11-12-2004 02:31 AM

I think it's rediculous that Waters and Gilmour hate eachother. I'm sure that if waters would have tamed his ego, everything would have been fine. But since both Gilmour and waters wanted the spotlight, I guess they just became enemies. I like Gilmour better though, he seems to be a more simpler character, nicer. Waters is a great musician, and he knows it, and wants everyone to know it....all of the time. I think he's just one of those people who you could meet, and want to punch in the face it like, two seconds. But he has a reason I guess. I don't know, lots of people grew up without fathers, parents even.

Edit: I think Richard Wright is awesome as well, he had a lot of input on the music that people don't credit him enough to.

Edit2: It's settled then, Wright and Gimore= coolest people from Pink Floyd (Mason looks kind of annoying too, so sorry to leave him out as well, he can share crackers with Waters)


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