[url]http://www.purevolume.com/notapproved/unofficialleftovercrack[/url]

That site has a couple songs you can listen to just by clicking the name..
I just put the site up today so it may not be approved until tomorrow, or tonight..
Hope you get the chance to check it out.
Anyways, thanks a lot!
Adrian

I hate PV's streaming. it sux for us dialup folks. its not approved yet but I'll check it out.

thanks for the tips, I have ****ed up my voice afew times from screaming too loud. I'll try your tips when I get my new microphone.

S~C~R~E~A~M~! :amaze:

[QUOTE=wussrocker]S~C~R~E~A~M~! :amaze:[/QUOTE]

Welcome...Glad to see you went through the registration in order to come here and make that your first post. :rolleyes:

I actually wrote something with more input but when I sent it the **** thing didn't go through...I didn't copy what I wrote and it was late so i just tried it again and typed scream! glad you enjoyed my first post Merkaba.

I am actually intrested in learning. To let you know I have heard your samples and have read your lesson and am currently in the works of practicing my scream.

In fact to continue...I have been doing the car thing when I travel back and forth to work and home. I agree it's the best place! I am at the point where I can whisper scream if that makes any sense an oxymoron in fact. I am practicing pushing the air at the same time while messing with my throat muscles (Using the cheek bone smile thing). I can hear a tone that sounds like a scream if i were to increase the volume...maybe even if I were doing it in a mic.

BTW - this whole thread took me about 2 hours to read last night...good info...and awesome advice! I have learned that copy and paste can be your friend on these forums!

Hey guys...

I'm a first timer here in this forum (spend most of my days over with the other guitarists). I've been playing guitar for almost a year and a half now, and I just started getting into growling. So if you could give me a few tips on how to get better at stuff like Akerfelt's (Opeth) growling, I'd appreciate it. I find that I can growl like that pretty good, but only at low volumes. I don't know if this has already been asked or not, if so just give me a link... but I wasn't about to go through 23 pages lol

Thanks in advance for any help :thumb:

[QUOTE=wussrocker]In fact to continue...I have been doing the car thing when I travel back and forth to work and home. I agree it's the best place! I am at the point where I can whisper scream if that makes any sense an oxymoron in fact. I am practicing pushing the air at the same time while messing with my throat muscles (Using the cheek bone smile thing). I can hear a tone that sounds like a scream if i were to increase the volume...maybe even if I were doing it in a mic.

BTW - this whole thread took me about 2 hours to read last night...good info...and awesome advice! I have learned that copy and paste can be your friend on these forums![/QUOTE]

YOu will do yourself a BIG BIG BIG favor if you spend equal time singing the notes. I dont know if you do or not. spend lots of time singing. like as "true form" as you can, like operatic. I used to sing Sarah mclachlin and jewel...(sue me if you dont like em). Screaming is just a loud hard note with extra air. the extra air is like adding plates on the barbell in the gym. your cords have to be able to take the resitance. you can always do more if you get the blood flowing well first(warming up). When you scream youre trying to still get tone. that tone comes from the cords. singing will get them stronger with less irritation and chance of hurting something. plus it helps with strength and stamina, and can help with range. I think most teachers will tell you the same. But hey, you might be doing it already. Good luck, keep us posted. remember dont over push, and warm down. :wave:

3 years singing now. 2 1/2 years of incorrect method and 6 months of voice lessons! ~memories of humming and causing vibration in the head~

So yesterday while going home I started singing a song and then I tried boosting a note/word with a scream....the word Y~O~U~! :amaze: My volume went way down and the boost actually never happened as if I was doing a silent scream. It didn't hurt but it felt like I was resisting pushing out the air correctly. What am I doing wrong? What should I be doing? My guess is more practice...

NO pain at all in the past 2 weeks of practicing...is that normal...or does it mean I am using incorrect technique? I read in this thread that I should experince muscles pains if you have never screamed before during the first few weeks. Maybe it's because I am not really screaming high volume yet? I dunno please help me you experinced SCREAMERS!

hey merkaba, since my voice has been better for a long time now iv decided to start screaming again....now i just have a question.
Iv relised that the way i was screaming before may have sounded good but it was ruining my voice...so its most probably the wrong way of doing it.Iv found a new way of screaming an it sounds rad to me but i just wanted to know if this was the right way.
The way i do it now is more like going "HUH" then it closes off your throat or vocal chords (i dunno which one cause i know nothing about that sort of stuff) then i keep pushing an it comes out as a scream....this way i can do it at soft and medium volumes an i dont really have to push hard at all ....most of the time i pust at around 50-60%,i get no affect to my voice or i dont go hoarse. Sometimes it feels a bit irritating an makes me cough but it doesnt seem to hurt or ruin my voice.....so i just wana know if this is the right way of doing it?

well anything with an h opens the cords up a bit first. But i cant really telll what youre doing by you just saying here, but it seems like youre more likely to use mixed or falsetto "setting" when you do that. so if you try to carry that feel over into other words you can scream with any word. i must say it is easier to scream with an H. i think i posted this a while back actually. but yea, keep us posted. you know my mottos.

nah i dont mean i scream on a H, right now i can only do it on vowels an sometimes on some words. The HUH thing im talking about is like when you go HUH an tense your stomach muscles an then its like it stopping the sound coming out......if you know what i mean.....now im even confusing myself......awhile back when you posted your voice recordings you did it acouple of times in one of them.

Soon ill try get some recordings again but right now my computer is f-ed up

oh right , like the grunt feel in the sample. yea. now that was just to get the feel. over time you want their to be really no grunt, and you transfer that pressure over to a normal singing pressure and feel on the cords. but its good to get the feel of coming from the gut and the feel of the cords pressure.

cool, keep us posted.

Hey what about my questions O Great Merkaba...

i have a quesiton
 

does n e body know what types of singing/screaming the lead singer from atreyu uses? and also exactly what types corey taylor from slipknot and stone sour uses, like falsettos...etc. Lastly, the guy from Into Eternity, I would like to know how he sings/screams the way he does. I am in a band and I want to know how to sing/scream using the same type of styles or types as them. Also I want to know what I have to do in order to do this, like how to be able to sing/scream like that. If you have n e replys that would be much appreciated.

[QUOTE=Unrequited_Dream]does n e body know what types of singing/screaming the lead singer from atreyu uses? and also exactly what types corey taylor from slipknot and stone sour uses, like falsettos...etc. Lastly, the guy from Into Eternity, I would like to know how he sings/screams the way he does. I am in a band and I want to know how to sing/scream using the same type of styles or types as them. Also I want to know what I have to do in order to do this, like how to be able to sing/scream like that. If you have n e replys that would be much appreciated.[/QUOTE]

Check out the voicehelp hotline.

these screams are all the same. theres only one way to do it properly. corey taylor uses alot of just falsetto scream. falsetto is the high pitched airy voice when men try to sing like a girl. its all in the hotline. some screams are mixed voice which is your head voice or your "true voice" upper register. when you sing high but your cords are still closed.

All screams should start as a feeling of singing. YOu should feel like youre getting ready to sing the note first. then its a matter of pulling your throat down a little bit in the back, but not too much. just enough so the air reflects off of it, this gives you the distorted raspy staticky sound. It does not and should never come from your cords. You should be able to get a raspy note with very little effort.

most importantly. practice singing more than screaming until you get it down. any note that is screamed is still a note. and all screamers are really singing a note with alot of effort and throat. you have to learn to isolate the throat muscles from the cord muslces...a road block for many...this way you can contract the cords, keep the larynx low and relaxed, and still pull down in the back of the throat. sounds like a lot but you've done it before. people try to do it with effort and get caught up in tension and overthinking.

be sure to read my voicehelp hotline through. its a bit of material, but its worth it. and read what others say in that thread too, the questions people ask and the stuff we all reply with. its well worth it...cause if you practice incorrectly you will damage your cords and at best have temporary loss. at best. and thats not serving you well. Best wishes.

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]YOu will do yourself a BIG BIG BIG favor if you spend equal time singing the notes.[/QUOTE]

Okay I have been doing this...trying to sing the notes and then pushing a scream when neccasary. Doing this I can now actually start getting out of a whisper...just a little bit but I can hear it...is that normal?

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]Screaming is just a loud hard note with extra air. the extra air is like adding plates on the barbell in the gym.[/QUOTE]

Is it true then you should start with the little plates? and then start adding the bigger plates as you can handle it then?

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]Good luck, keep us posted. remember dont over push, and warm down. :wave:[/QUOTE]

Is there a good thread on what you mean by warm down?

Again thanks for your help with this!

^ well if youre trying to eventually bench 400 lbs, and all you can do now is 200...you cant slam 370 on tomorrow! right. hehe

And Im sure in the voicehelp hotline there is some stuff about warming down. I gotta get to work...but in general start on your highest falsetto note and slide down in a continuous sound, to your lowest note. do all the vowels a few times and then do EE's at a normal pitch and normal push for a few minutes. if your voice is more shot. warm down more. it helps to return your cords to their normal shape and helps to prevent so much stiffness and swelling, and thus mucous.

Hey Merkaba-1
Ok so the purevolume attempt I made backfired and it never worked.. here is a link to a soundclick that has the songs on them.. please listen to STI or Atheist Anthem.. [url]http://www.soundclick.com/bands/3/blacklistmusic.htm[/url]
(STI has a rather large soundclip at the start that lasts for 55 seconds or so..)
Thanks a lot!

hey iv just been listening to your samples merkaba, an it sounds like im using the same technique as you so i think iv got it down....i was just wondering, is it right to be able to do it at any volume cause like i can do it at a low volume an a medium volume but i cant seem to get it loud..i know it wont matter cause ill have a mic bit i was just stuffing around to see how loud i could get it an it was like the more i pushed it just felt like i was building tension up an not getting anymore volume.

and another thing,when you use your mic through a pa is there anything you can do to get the scream to sound better cause when i do it without a mic or when i just record it on my computer it sounds awsome but then when i go to do it with a mic it comes out like really high pitched ancruddy sounding...huh i dunno what it is....might be the mic im using...its just a cheap shure pg58.

Thanks if you answer these dude.

Osiris- I'll check em out shortly

Seed- you need to practice isolation. If you know youre feeling tense then you are. you should be able to push, from the diaphragm, and not have it affect any other part of your body. dont squeeze the throat. You should be able to do it at almost any volume. low, mid , or high. as you go up in volume of course youre gonna have to squeeze the cords tighter agains the addes resistance which is what it sounds like you cant do yet. you have to seperate the throat muscles from the cord muscles. Its that simple. keep practicing, cause once you start getting the hang of it you can really do just abuot anything. I've got it in my voicehelp hotline, if you havent read the isolation stuff or need a reminder.

cya

i'll get onto the isolation stuff today

thanks man :thumb:

****, I was at work today. Our bathroom has the best acoustics. I always like to hit a note or something while someone is in there and make em say jesus. but noone was in there today and i decided to give a full scream. It sounded better than anything I've heard on any album. ****, if i could reproduce that in the studio. Just a little small room reverb i guess. But it was killer. just thought i'd let you guys know! hehe.

I hadnt warmed up and i didnt want to push too hard. so it kinda surprised me. I did think afterwards though that i should repost about how Its so important though to realize that you dont have to push too hard. yes, i thought about this board while i was at work! :lol:

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]****, I was at work today. Our bathroom has the best acoustics. I always like to hit a note or something while someone is in there and make em say jesus. but noone was in there today and i decided to give a full scream. It sounded better than anything I've heard on any album. ****, if i could reproduce that in the studio. Just a little small room reverb i guess. But it was killer. just thought i'd let you guys know! hehe.

I hadnt warmed up and i didnt want to push too hard. so it kinda surprised me. I did think afterwards though that i should repost about how Its so important though to realize that you dont have to push too hard. yes, i thought about this board while i was at work! :lol:[/QUOTE]

Your co-workers probably thought you were constipated :amaze:

:lol:...that wouldve been one hell of a shlt then.

Merkaba - think you could be specific on where the rasp should be coming from? You say the back of the throat... like where on the neck? Im pretty sure I have the rasp down (well I use it for growls...) but recently I havent been able to falsetto scream, and when I rasp a faslsetto note, it doesnt come off as high as I would like. Nor as raspy. Hmmm... Just clarifying.

Also... shamefull plug... would you crit this for me? [url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=253924[/url] I always find deep insight in your views upon my songs. Thanks, hehe... :)

if you clear your throat with your mouth open, it will be just about the same area. But you dont want to do much of this.

I'll check the link out.

I've read through most of the pointers and other screaming help.. but I wanted to know how to . sing/scream.. well. I mean. like raspy screaminess for large pieces of song, say an entire verse with lyrics.. how do you get a sustainable screamy voice which you can sing with?

(for examples of what I mean, check HIMSA, atreyu or from autumn to ashes)

lots of water, practice and airflow control! that question has been asked several times already.. the only answer is to just keep practicing