the bass in the band go boom boom boom
boom boom boom
boom boom boom
the bass in the band go boom boom boom
annnnnd it likes it that wayyyyyy

Best way for a bass to sit high in the mix is if you sound like JJ Burnel

best way for a bass to sit high in a mix is to play in a band like nile where the music is so ridiculous you dont even need a bass

dull.

[quote=Raayl;17455808]idk i could try but i'll tell you right now im not a fan of mixing bass high i find that mixing bass in such a way often ruins songs and the attitudes of bassists regarding over-all mixes is usually really ****ing annoying

you'll have a great mix awesome sound really well rounded and balanced lots of multi-band compression that just gives you such a nice universal spread

but oh no cause you cant distinctly hear every movement the bassist is making while he's playing along with each and every note and nuance

it sucks

****ing bassists

but sure i can try i mean if its what you want me to do then i can most certainly do it just takes some keen multi-band compression and EQing to bring it up

you dont have to use my mixes or pay me or anything i just like to practice[/quote]

I don't need the bass to overpower the mix, just sit well in it. Usually it's mixed out almost completely, and it makes me wonder why I even bothered to get a tone that worked well and lay down a recording.

If I like what you do, I may have you mix an entire album for us, and you'd most certainly be paid for it.

[QUOTE=FunkMetalBass;17455995]I don't need the bass to overpower the mix, just sit well in it. Usually it's mixed out almost completely, and it makes me wonder why I even bothered to get a tone that worked well and lay down a recording.

If I like what you do, I may have you mix an entire album for us, and you'd most certainly be paid for it.[/QUOTE]

well i mean i wouldnt mix you out completely just dont expect a lot of audible presence above 600 hz

i mean i assume this is like hard rock heavy metal music so thats pretty fair the guitars vocals drums (cymbals mostly) make it relatively impossible for the bass to be heard above 600 hz maybe 800 hz at the most

i like to mix guitars with a 4 dB scoop at 600/800 hz with two tracks of each take panned 70% right and left

then 1 track of bass boosted 4 dB at 600/800

thats usually all the EQing i do in the mixing process

[quote=Raayl;17456005]well i mean i wouldnt mix you out completely just dont expect a lot of audible presence above 600 hz

i mean i assume this is like hard rock heavy metal music so thats pretty fair the guitars vocals drums (cymbals mostly) make it relatively impossible for the bass to be heard above 600 hz maybe 800 hz at the most

i like to mix guitars with a 4 dB scoop at 600/800 hz with two tracks of each take panned 70% right and left

then 1 track of bass boosted 4 dB at 600/800

thats usually all the EQing i do in the mixing process[/quote]

Yes. It's hard rock, and I wouldn't want much presence above that (there's too much noise as-is).

My old guitarist made a mix once and told me that he cut everything below 200 and above 400 on the bass track.

:smash:

umm why would he do that

i have like a 40 hz floor on hard rock but still 100/200 hz is really important for the bass track

[quote=Raayl;17456100]umm why would he do that

i have like a 40 hz floor on hard rock but still 100/200 hz is really important for the bass track[/quote]

He thought anything below 200 just muddied up the mix. He also boosted the guitars and drums below the 200.

I hated his mixing.

200 isnt mud

sub 100 is

I really want to start doing some sub bass stuff live. But I know my cabs can't take it...

[quote=fatbandit;17456161]I really want to start doing some sub bass stuff live. But I know my cabs can't take it...[/quote]

I'm worried about how well the FOH subs will handle my low F string when I play with my band - I actually use it here and there.

[QUOTE=Raayl;17455713]ben and poignant abstract soundscapes sitting in a tree k-i-s-s-i-n-g[/QUOTE]

So, you like it, yes?

[QUOTE=FunkMetalBass;17455613]I appreciate the fact that you allow mp3 downloads of your stuff.



EDIT:
I feel like I'm in a slow-motion underwater scene. I liked it.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, mp3 downloads work. I use it as an archive for my pieces, so having mp3 download is pretty important.

How can you do a spoken word version of a rap song?

[QUOTE=Spaceman Spiff;17456585]How can you do a spoken word version of a rap song?[/QUOTE]

See: modern popular rap scene

I'm about to watch [I]I Love You, Man[/I] again. For the last couple of days I've been breaking out laughing at random times just from thinking about it. It's that funny.

[quote=FunkMetalBass;17456120]He thought anything below 200 just muddied up the mix. He also boosted the guitars and drums below the 200.

I hated his mixing.[/quote]
ROFL this guy is a tard. That's possibly the worst eq suggests I've ever heard.

Yes, sometimes you get resonant frequencies in the low mids, but what you do is get boost a very narrow bandwidth in your eq, find this resonating frequency that just sounds awful, then cut just that frequency and the few surrounding frequencies.

And above 400????

Thats ridiculous.


While highs on a bass do suck. Srsly roll of the highs from about 20khz - 10khz(maybe even as low as 5khz, whatever works best) or so, and your bass will sound creamy and smooth. If you don't believe me try it. And don't listen to it by itself, LISTEN TO IT IN THE MIX!

It doesn't work for all genres, but most of the time it does.

My theory is that in terms of eq, you should let each instrument have their own sonic niche and you should avoid instruments intruding on other instruments turf.

E.g. roll of the highs on bass till you're not losing too much note definition. Roll of some very low lows lows on electric guitars(depending on the effects being used) until it's not too thin. Let bass take care of bass, let guitars take care of mids/highs. Your mix will sound a **** load better for it. Same with kick drums and bass, they should be competing for the same frequency bands.

The two biggest problems with a lot of engineers is this:

1) they listen to sounds indvidually, not in the mix; even if something sound awesome by itself, it could be lost or plain horrible in the mix.
2) Making unnecessary adjustments in EQ; you don't need to boost a bass in in the lows. Just cut the highs and turn the track up. It's the exact same effect but much nicer sounding.

After this big rant of whole bunch of nobody cares and tl;dr...There is one thing of use.

F.A.B.

Filter, Attenuate, boost.

If you have a problem, try using a filter (i.e. high pass and low pass filters that completely cut all lows or highs up to a certain point, or a shelf eq). If that doesn't work, try working cutting a more specific frequency band. Then if not, result to boosting. But only ever in that order.

We should really make an audio discussion thread...

Generally when I mix my stuff I boost sub-40Hz by 4 to 5db, but my music's weird and meant to make you seizure so idk.

Lol yeah i'm being reaaaly general. And if you're talking your overall eq, then that's a whole different bag of potato chips.

[QUOTE]He thought anything below 200 just muddied up the mix. He also boosted the guitars and drums below the 200.

I hated his mixing.[/QUOTE]
So did you ask for you money back?

[QUOTE=fatbandit;17455745]i don't have the master tracksssss[/QUOTE]

Man you always have to insist on having copies of the masters from every recording you do with someone.

[QUOTE=Tripp_chaos;17456997]So did you ask for you money back?[/QUOTE]

You'd be unlikely to get your money back off someone after mixing. You've paid for their time not for a guarantee of satisfaction. But like I mentioned, if you have the masters like you should you can take it to someone else.

I just use a tone that cuts through the mix as opposed to overpowering the mix.

i just remixed what ive done with the original acapella and i totally redid all the instruments

sup yalls

[url]http://soundcloud.com/raayl/what-ive-done-cuss-mix[/url]

go go go!

lol you douche luke

hahah i win!

[quote=Spaceman Spiff;17456585]How can you do a spoken word version of a rap song?[/quote]

It's tough. Watch Def Poetry if you can. Kanye tries a couple times and kind of fails. The dude from Arrested Development does it, but it sounds like a song being spoken.

It's hard because rap, rhythmically (lyrically) is supposed to have certain rhyming words accent a certain beat, and spoken-word poetry rarely does that, so it's going to be tough to change that style while retaining the original lyrics.

Check out:
**Gemineye
**Black Ice
**Lemon
**Beau Sia
and any others that you can. From watching the show, those are some of my personal favorite spoken-word poets, and you'll really start to see their style and rhythms. It reminds me of Shakespeare's style (iambic pentameter), where the lines rhyme independently, but if reading the sentences, they never quite line up on the beat. (ie, the sentence runs through 2.5 lines but lines 1 & 2 end on a rhyme).

Good luck. Let's see what you come up with.

[quote=Tripp_chaos;17456997]So did you ask for you money back?[/quote]

He was my buddy; it was free.