Okay, found an old Paiste Cymbal last night, looked to be 14", with what looked like 'Forumla CO2' written on it, although it was hard to make out. The Paiste logo had a shooting star and a crescent moon on it, IIRC. Any ideas on the age of this cymbal?

Thanks guys.

Paiste formula 602?

VERY good cymbals :)

Ahh, that would make far more sense!

It's got a huge crack/chunk taken out of it though, which is a real shame.

ok well, whats one of the best sounding ride cymbals to yall for about 200$?

Hmm, probably the 20" Zildjian K Ride, not K Custom, just K. It may be a bit over the price range, but it's really worth it.

[QUOTE=byrkee;14825563]well i like radioheads ride cymbal, thats all i can think of right now, but im into music from like glassjaw, the receiving end of sirens, to like muse and radiohead, stuff like that. i dont want anything real old, and i want it to have a light pretty sound, but also something i can hit hard and can sound loud and rock when it needs too. that help?[/QUOTE]

Hmmm, some things you could consider:

Zildjian:

A medium ride
K heavy ride (perhaps)
A custom ride

Sabian:

AA medium ride
AAX stage ride

As for light as well as hard rock, that might be difficult with one cymbal, but a medium one like these might do the trick. There are other brands too just these are the two I know best.

[url]http://www.sabian.com[/url]
[url]http://www.zildjian.com[/url]

Both sites have things where you can listen to clips of what the cymbals sound like, which is useful but ultimately you need to go try them out before you buy.

I know the guy from muse uses a Zildjian K custom 22" ride but that's probs over $200 and maybe not much like radiohead's, though I'm not as the only disc of theirs that I have is The Bends. In fact they all might be over $200, I don't know USA/Aussie prices.

Look used. I got my 20" AAX dry ride for $120. It had just a few stick marks on it.

[QUOTE=Houdini;14836428]Look used. I got my 20" AAX dry ride for $120. It had just a few stick marks on it.[/QUOTE]

^^^ Actually yes that's a really good point... I got all my cymbals used, and they were something like half as much as new, and all in good condition. If they're not damaged when you buy them then they're probably likely to stay that way for a long long time as long as you hit them probably, but that's always the case.

So yeah, go used if you can! And be sure to try cymbals out first! Also, not all are exactly the same, depending on the sort, e.g. things like Sabian Hand Hammered, and Zildjian K/K custom do vary from one to the other a bit, whereas opther like As, AAs, etc, do not vary as much, but still best to try out the specific one first.

One way would be go to a big music store and see if you can try out cymbals, perhaps with a drumkit and your current other cymbals, and then keep your eyes open on the used market. I don't know what it is like where you live but there are people selling a lot of decent used gear if you search around.

thanks for the info i will check those but theres no places around here with that stuff and theres no place i can try them out first anyway

and wow that hand hammered ride sounds really good, but it looks diffrent on the sabian site than the site below.

edit:i just found this site with used cymbals, is it any good?
[url]http://www.uncleikes.com/index.html[/url]

[QUOTE=byrkee;14843092]thanks for the info i will check those but theres no places around here with that stuff and theres no place i can try them out first anyway

and wow that hand hammered ride sounds really good, but it looks diffrent on the sabian site than the site below.

edit:i just found this site with used cymbals, is it any good?
[url]http://www.uncleikes.com/index.html[/url][/QUOTE]

Um it looks alright, though tbh their used cymbals looked old or not great quality, but it's hard to tell, and as I'm from England I have no idea how the prices are. But with second hand gear it is ESSENTIAL that you check it out in person before you buy - there could be anything wrong with it, and there is usually no guarantee on it, at least not from the manufacturer. That said, if it's a reputable store then should be ok, but yeah.

i dont know if i want to take any risk of getting it used, so i think i will buy the HHC ride new for $319
unless anyone else has a good idea of the site?

I don't know what an HHC ride is, but you could try [url]www.musicgoround.com[/url]

[QUOTE=fishbulb;14850656]I don't know what an HHC ride is, but you could try [url]www.musicgoround.com[/url][/QUOTE]

oh come on, obviously it is HHX.

Right. I forgot that x was next to c.

HHC= hand hammered classic ride, and that website doesn't have it..

Would that be a sabian cymbal then?

So Im going to buy a sabian AA thin crash, and I am wondering with it being thin, what are the odds of it cracken? Im not to hard of a hitter.

Don't thicker cymbals have a better chance of being cracked because they cannot "bend" and resonate as much?

yup. Thicker cymbals like Rock Crashes have a higher chance of cracking than Thin cymbals.

Well, to an extent. Thin cymbals do break easier than, more example, medium thin or medium crashes, if you hit hard. If you have decent technique breaking shouldn't be a problem, but thin ones are thinner and so weaker. It's only with the really thick rock models and ranges e.g z custom that would crack more easily due to their weight.

e.g. people break splashes (which are v. thin) more than most other types of cymbal just cos they hit them too hard

But then breaking an A med thin crash won't barely break at all. In fact most won't.

So yeah an A thin crash's probably not gonna break as you don't hit hard and know how to hit a cymbal properly.

So I'm looking around for another china. I currently have a 19" Paragon china, pretty dark. So, for this one, I'd like something brighter and trashier, but not too clangy (so, Wuhans are pretty much out).

I've so far checked out some Paiste Sig and 2002 Thin and regular Chinas, and I'm definitely liking the thin chinas from both lines.

Any other suggestions?

AAXtreme chinas

Paiste sig. thins.

[QUOTE=XMII;14867999]Paiste sig. thins.[/QUOTE]

Yeah.



I've tried the Zildjian chinas, and I didn't like them too much, for the most part. I'll try out the AAXtreme ones too. Anything else?

Paiste sig. thins.

I have the oriental. Love it. You tried that line?

[QUOTE=ant_182;14868376]I have the oriental. Love it. You tried that line?[/QUOTE]

Oriental classic china
Oriental china trash
A china high (the low is nice IMO but not quite so bright)

Budget
 

I don't really need cymbals to be found, I more or less need help on which ones to buy. I'm on a really tight budget and I was looking at either getting Sabian AA Metal-X Crash Pack, or The Sabian B8 Pack. And if you have suggestions on and alternatives to these that would be greatly appreciated as well :D

The types of music I play range from rock to metal, thanks in advance guys!

[B]Sabian AA Metal-X (free 10" splash)[/B]
[url]http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Sabian-AA-MetalX-Crash-Pack-with-AA-MetalX-Splash?sku=446538[/url]

[B]Sabian B8 (Free 10" Splash and Free 18" Medium Crash)[/B]
[url]http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Sabian-B8-Cymbal-Pack-with-Free-10-Splash-and-18-Crash?sku=447849[/url]

First: Sabian B8's are beginner's beginner cymbals: very low end just to start out. Sabian AA Metal-X's are considered pro-level cymbals.

Now these packs: The B8 pack has hats, three crashes, a ride and a splash. Lots of cymbals for pretty cheap.

The Metal-X pack has two crashes and a splash.

Generally in a setup you have one pair of hi-hats and that is essential. That is what you keep time on. Now a ride cymbal is completely optional, you keep time on it, but that's what the hi-hats are for as well. Now which one is "better" to play on? Well, that depends on the musical situation, the feel, or even if your left foot is occupied and therefore cannot operate the hi-hat pedal, but i'm not going into this further.

B8's are, in my mind, cymbals that are cheap so you can buy them and have something to play right away. Later they will be upgraded and discarded. If you buy 6 cymbals, that's a lot to be replaced. I don't know how seriously you are looking into drumming or if you are planning on pursuing this hobby your whole life, but you'd be better off getting cheap hats and a crash to hold you for a while, then add pro crashes/other cymbals later.

Now the AA Metal-X's: They are very unidimensional cymbals. Now that means that, although they do sound good in metal or heavy rock, they do not fit or blend with jazz, blues, or other genres of music. Not versatile at all.

These cymbals also sound very different, if you haven't heard them go to [url]http://www.sabian.com[/url] and listen to soundclips of them in the "Sound Check" page.

Now nearly every cymbal needs its own stand, so if you get the B8 pack, add $200-$300 worth of stands depending on the quality of them.
Any more questions, please ask as i will be happy to help you.

Thanks a lot man, I'll probably end up gettin the Metal-X's, I have been playing for quite some time on some really poor cymbals and I was just looking for an upgrade. But since I've never replaced my cymbals before I didn't know which ones to get. But since the Metal-X's are considered high quality I'll just invest in those rather than the beginner ones. And I've already replaced my hats with some old zildjian ones that a friend gave me, the have a nice sound to 'em so I bet I can wring a bit more life out of em. Anyway, thanks a lot man.