What strings do you have on there now?

Do you play with a click track/metronome JoZ? Would be most useful if you told us the tempo you stuck with if you do :) cheers

EDIT : I second the patient...

I would love to have sober and aenima but I'll stick with what is given :)

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]If you taking a few requests

The Patient
Stinkfist
Jerk Off



(I would feel guity asking for loads, but I know playing tool is not a chore)[/QUOTE]

Those songs in particular are not a chore either...

Although I will have to actually put a little effort into Jerk Off, simply because it's one of theirs I haven't actually learned yet

Edit 1: I have my bass tuned low ADGC. The strings are too thick to do DADG.

Edit 2: I have a composition program, which lets me take MIDI files of Tool songs, and play along with them, note for note, assuming the songs are done right. So I use whatever tempo the transcriber has decided on, and so far, they seem to be the correct tempos. This way, I can hear the guitar/bass/drum/vocals if added, yet it's not the real song. I can see what notes I am playing, time signatures, note values, etc...but still hear the song :cool:

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]If you taking a few requests

The Patient
Stinkfist
Jerk Off



(I would feel guity asking for loads, but I know playing tool is not a chore)[/QUOTE]

ooooo the grudge, schism, stinkfist, or Eulogy.

So I'm doing.

Part of Me
Jerk Off
Sober
Stinkfist
Eulogy
Aenima
The Grudge
Schism

Can do, although some of them may not sound 100% like the original (Aenima, Schism)

That's how i play, i learn this riffs on tooltabs. The use a midi file through Guitar pro 4, recognise the riffs and play along. After about 5 times through i can jam along to the proper mp3 for the riff-based songs.

I can play most songs on their own without backing, but some i need the track playing in some form, or at least the beat.

I tend to pick up the cool riffs I like first with tool songs, then fill in the gaps. Im the typical must-learn-everything-but-leave-rytyhm-parts-till-last guitarist.

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]I can play most songs on their own without backing, but some i need the track playing in some form, or at least the beat.

I tend to pick up the cool riffs I like first with tool songs, then fill in the gaps. Im the typical must-learn-everything-but-leave-rytyhm-parts-till-last guitarist.[/QUOTE]

See, I've been playing cello for years, so I learn music by reading it.

I need sheet music to learn songs. Although I did figure out the Parabola riff without it.

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]Im the typical must-learn-everything-but-leave-rytyhm-parts-till-last guitarist.[/QUOTE]

Wow me to.

I play tool stuff for my rythm playing...

I don't find the lead stuff too challenging...well i don't play it fully, like effects and everything. But I love the way adam uses dead notes and such, and his use of the Dmaj Barré, that's why i play tool most of the time.

Anyone else noticed how his solos are often similair? Example : he plays big bends on the 10/12 frets in sober and the same thing in swamp song....

[QUOTE=The JoZ]See, I've been playing cello for years, so I learn music by reading it.

I need sheet music to learn songs. Although I did figure out the Parabola riff without it.[/QUOTE]

I would kill for the oppotunity to be taught all over again, and be able to read music easily. My chance at having theory taught to me for free has gone (stupid bad high school decisions).

Self teaching is ok though I guess.

I was never really 'taught theory' /says a grade 8 pianist...well that i can readily apply to guitar. I take music As level at the moment, and i took GCSE music too. But the courses deal with classical music and jazz. Any mention of a powerchord is blasphemous as a chord is meant to have 3 different notes in it. Almost like evolution to a christian :lol: . I mainly picked up the theory i apply to guitar around the net, though i think if i sat and learned the notes on the neck/how to read off sheet music, i may be able to apply some knowledge to my guitar. I have guitar lessons atm, but i don't really learn too much...

.../point of rant was to encourage you to learn theory how you want. And explain that being able to harmonize a melody using the rules of western tonal harmony isn't gonna impact your gutiar playing too much. Obviously it helps because it explains what is going on, but i play guitar using shapes and it works for me :thumb:

My old school is noted for being one of the top music colleges in teh country though. Local bands use it for recording and everything, and people who took the courses are so much better off for it.

However, seeing as I cant go down that road now, using internet articles helps. Its annoying that most of them have drastically different approaches, sometimes conflicting explanatins to certain things (modes being the worst).

Depending on what I'm playing I need sheet music. Simpler things don't call for it, but some things do. For instance, the quieter part in Ticks And Leeches, and the very loud part after. Soooooooo many ghost notes.

I never use tabs. Drum tabs are evil.

Meh fcuk modes. I just rock out with the Pent/harmonic minor shalpes. Using the modes is just a way of overcomplicating guitar imo. I could use them if i sat down and learned the names of the neck. But they are pretty much a waste of time i think. They are just an outdated form of scale really. The melodic/harmonic minors are more modern and more easily used. But you don't really have to worry about the extra notes and can just stick witht he pent.

/is glad this is not the guitar forum, my arse would be burnnnned by now

[QUOTE=clearvision]

/is glad this is not the guitar forum, my arse would be burnnnned by now[/QUOTE]

This is why i ask guitar questions anywher ebut guitar forum. i wasn tactual musicians to answer me, not Vai/Satch/Satriani/etc loving elitists.

The backing tracks are going to be awesome, it's cool that you're doing that. Can't wait to play along with The Patient, Stinkfist, and The Grudge.

Clearvision, you'll never catch me :p.

[QUOTE=clearvision]Meh fcuk modes. I just rock out with the Pent/harmonic minor shalpes. Using the modes is just a way of overcomplicating guitar imo. I could use them if i sat down and learned the names of the neck. But they are pretty much a waste of time i think. They are just an outdated form of scale really. The melodic/harmonic minors are more modern and more easily used. But you don't really have to worry about the extra notes and can just stick witht he pent.

/is glad this is not the guitar forum, my arse would be burnnnned by now[/QUOTE]

It's true that modes do overcomplicate it, but in jazz they are used 90% of the time. I've been playing classical piano since I was five, and I got into jazz last year and it was weird because I never had to improvise before that. Luckily we're talking about Tool.

That maybe true Kage, but only cause you spam this place up and i don't :p

/biterness

Where were you earlier :upset: i wanted the still mp3's, nm i found em now. Can you answer my post in the with teeth thread thnx :)

Modes are only used in jazz to give things that clashing sound associated with some modes, but jazz is waaay to technical. My theory is stick to the pentatonic, and if it needs a harmonic/melodic minor or blues not here or there throw it in. I haven't actually learned how to play the major scale on guitar :lol: I just use my Minor shapes...

Yesterday, I finally took the plunge and purchased Opiate. Man, so far, it's almost as amazing as their other material that I've heard. (Ænima and Lateralus) Hush has a few sweet riffs, Part of Me has a nice drumline. I'm only half way through listening to it, so I'll have more comments in 15 minutes.

I haven't posted in here for a while. How goes it, fools?

[QUOTE=clearvision]That maybe true Kage, but only cause you spam this place up and i don't :p

/biterness

Where were you earlier :upset: i wanted the still mp3's, nm i found em now. Can you answer my post in the with teeth thread thnx :)

Modes are only used in jazz to give things that clashing sound associated with some modes, but jazz is waaay to technical. My theory is stick to the pentatonic, and if it needs a harmonic/melodic minor or blues not here or there throw it in. I haven't actually learned how to play the major scale on guitar :lol: I just use my Minor shapes...[/QUOTE]

Actually jazz gets easier with time. Also it's extra satisfying when you pump out a god-like solo.

Eventually, as you progress you'll want to move away from the shapes to create more interesting licks. Also chromatics are fun. :thumb:

hey fool, I haven't posted in a long time too, seven pages back or so, has my last post :p
but you can recommend the opiate album?
haven't checked it out, Ive seen the clip form '' hush' though.

EDIT: to Jake

Opiate is a solid little collection of songs. Nothing ground breaking, but it shows you the root of the too machine, and how their styles have improved.

Plus its funny to laugh at young MJK voice in the live tracks

haha, sounds nice
I'll check it out.

but it's always nice when artists grow over the years :thumb:

I reccomend the opiate album :) It has some good songs on there, cold an ugly is magic (to the stranger). I'd have thought you'd have bought undertow first though..(to Jake)

I do use chromatics and stuff when my ear wants me to play them. But it's always the minor shapes for a building block, none of this today i have to play in aeolian mode because the key change goes form this to this to this...etc

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]Opiate is a solid little collection of songs. Nothing ground breaking, but it shows you the root of the too machine, and how their styles have improved.

Plus its funny to laugh at young MJK voice in the live tracks[/QUOTE]
It sounds like a totally different band.

I have the giving birth to a stone album by peach ( with Justin), but the bass just let's you know it's him though.
I love Justin's bass sound, so well flowing

[QUOTE=clearvision]I reccomend the opiate album :) It has some good songs on there, cold an ugly is magic (to the stranger). I'd have thought you'd have bought undertow first though..(to Jake)

I do use chromatics and stuff when my ear wants me to play them. But it's always the minor shapes for a building block, none of this today i have to play in aeolian mode because the key change goes form this to this to this...etc[/QUOTE]
Aeolian is the same as the minor scale.

I've been being a bit of a smartass lately, so if I'm getting on your nerves tell me.

I've had this thought in my head for a while, but I never posted about it. Me and Med were just talking about Ænima on msn. I came up with an explanation of why Tool named it Ænima, and then spelled the title track differently.

/copy pastes convo
[QUOTE]
well, I have actually been thinking about the tracklist for it. I think they planned it this way: You know how Ænima/Ænema is a contraction between Anima(The spirit) and Enema(The cleanser) Ænima is the album(The spirt) and the song Ænema is the cleanser. Look at the songs after that. Adam Jones said that they put Negative ions in there because it is the 'feel good song' on the album.
<Dr. Jake Destructo> says:
Then, Third Eye is a resolution song(prying open my third eye..I have missed you so much, etc..)[/QUOTE]

What do you guys think?

The peach album is quality, gotta love spasm, and the cover of catfood is most amusing. Meh i don't think of it as a minor scale, and it was the first mode that came to my head :( maan it's like being in the guitar forum.